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Posted: 10/18/2019 4:32:36 PM EDT

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That type of strong armed violence is not coming here. There's too much wealth and easy living here which wouldn't tolerate it.
The reason it works in Mexico is the poverty. That creates despair and creates an endless pipeline of young able bodied men to work for the cartels.

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LOL never been in any major city I see.

It is coming to us.

Posted: 10/18/2019 4:32:55 PM EDT

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What did you call me?

Posted: 10/18/2019 4:46:45 PM EDT

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If drugs in the US were legalized and taxed like cigarettes and alcohol the cartels would be out of business.

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Yeah they totally aren't involved in all kinds of stuff that make them tons of money. If drugs were legalized they would immediately close up shop and retire.

Posted: 10/18/2019 4:50:46 PM EDT

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What other options does AMLO have????

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Well the Mexican civis are now calling for AMLO’s resignation due to yesterday’s violence and his entertainment of the cartels wishes.

Posted: 10/18/2019 4:51:57 PM EDT

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Did you just call me a pussy communist?!?

Posted: 10/18/2019 4:53:21 PM EDT

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LOL, U.S. LE has nothing to do with it. The logistics are extremely daunting in and of themselves. LE in this country would be totally overwhelmed if they suddenly found themselves facing a Culiacan-scale attack to free El Chapo. But getting those forces here and then getting everyone out is way too challenging of a task. And then you have the likely military response.

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I wonder how well a local US police force could deal with that level of violence if that were to happen here.

Say we had the kid here and they came with that.

Are you kidding. California shut down because of one man named Dorner

And yet El Chapo is imprisioned in the US and no one has come to break him out.
The cartels do not want to fuck with US law enforcement.

LOL, U.S. LE has nothing to do with it. The logistics are extremely daunting in and of themselves. LE in this country would be totally overwhelmed if they suddenly found themselves facing a Culiacan-scale attack to free El Chapo. But getting those forces here and then getting everyone out is way too challenging of a task. And then you have the likely military response.

The cartels are already here and how hard is it to get firearms and explosives? They can get those here and if not I hear they’re pretty good at sneaking stuff across the border.
You think El Chapo wants to die in a US prison? His boys have the financial resources to buy an army. Hell they have one already. Yet they won’t do a dam thing on US soil to draw unnecessary attention to themselves. Why do you think that is?

Posted: 10/18/2019 4:57:10 PM EDT

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Already, there are thousands of cities throughout America, with tens of thousands of people on the cartel payrolls. They are here, it is happening now.

Without question the Mexican drug cartels OWN the illegal drug trade here. They're flowing BILLIONS of $$ in cash through our economy.

I don't think it can be stopped or eliminated. There's absolutely no will to do so and the resources it would take to even begin to curtail the drug economy are not coordinated, will never be brought to bear on that task.

I think, the best we can do at this time is put a physical barrier between our nation and Mexico and do our best to keep the cartel violence in Mexico and make it clear it won't be tolerated in America.

Halt illegal immigration. Period. Deport those here illegally and manage the flow of $$ out of our nation to Mexico and beyond. No more fucking sanctuary cities. Make life here inconvenient and hazardous for those here illegally and especially for those involved in the drug trade.

And giving our government and its bureaucracies control over recreational drugs is a very very bad idea with no good outcomes for freedom or the rule of law.

Posted: 10/18/2019 4:58:41 PM EDT

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Mexican Military is missing a chance to do some real work with all those guys grouped up in the city like that. What does their air force have for ground attack planes? Cobra's ? Anything that drops Cluster bombs or launch Hellfires? lol..

They should have went highway of death part II on those convoys and sealed the town off. They have to go total war on the cartels soon or the Mexican State as we know it is done.

What kind of supply chain logistics can the Narcos have? To fight a prolonged engagement they would need some kind of ammo resupply if they are truly in the shit, I would imagine they don't have the means for a real protracted fight and the Army missed its chance to do major damage.

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None of what you wrote makes any sense. Did you even think it through?

Posted: 10/18/2019 4:59:47 PM EDT

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The 'rub' here is that U.S. MSM is not going to report any of this. They're going to intentionally bury it, ignore it and suppress inquiries.

Does not fit their 'democratic socialism' narrative or support their caricatures of the Mexican invasion into our nation.

The simple fact that the police released the Guzman kid to the cartels to avoid escalating the fighting and death count is earth shaking news and commentary on the situation in Mexico.

One story line is that one of the two sons was killed in the shootouts ...there's going to be some payback from the cartels for that if indeed it is true.

The fucking Mexican police and federal military backed down from a cartel militia. They were out-manned and out-gunned, abandoned by the very government they were trying to serve and protect. Fucking ordered to hand over equipment and weapons to cartel gunmen? WTF.

Allegedly attacking prisons and turning the inmates loose to fight the police?

If no one can see the writing on that wall, better call Ray Charles or Stevie Wonder to explain.

That's 'Revolutionary War' shit right there.

Olmo or whatever he's called is finished.

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Nope. Nothing "Revolutionary" about it. Just another day of business.

Posted: 10/18/2019 5:00:26 PM EDT

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The Government of the United States was the one who requested the capture of Ovidio Guzmán López, son of the drug trafficker Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán, today imprisoned in that country, President Andrés Manuel López Obrador revealed.

The President revealed during his morning conference that the elements of the Mexican

Mexican Army yesterday implemented an operation in Culiacán, Sinaloa, to arrest Guzmán López, and that he had an extradition order.

"Yes, it is Ovid Guzmán López, here I have it: provisional arrest warrant for extradition purposes, issued by a federal judge," he said.

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I don't like to use the term, but this is pure cuck behavior from AMLO. "It wasn't even me that wanted to do it, it was the gringos!" Come on Andy, you want to sit in the big chair you have to make the big boy decisions and the risks that come with it.

Posted: 10/18/2019 5:00:39 PM EDT

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And they have the nerve to criticize us and our gun laws with regard to El Paso. Get your own house in order, hombres

Posted: 10/18/2019 5:00:49 PM EDT

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The first time or two that it broke out here, the LEOs would probably be in bad shape.

The good news is we can adapt pretty quickly, if we really want to.

The bad news is we, as a society, would have to want it, and there would be lots of blood. I figure our PDs wouldn't give him up, which would lead to a slaughter.

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National guard would be rolled in.

Maybe even air guard if it got outta hand.

Posted: 10/18/2019 5:01:05 PM EDT

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LOL never been in any major city I see.

It is coming to us.

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That type of strong armed violence is not coming here. There's too much wealth and easy living here which wouldn't tolerate it.
The reason it works in Mexico is the poverty. That creates despair and creates an endless pipeline of young able bodied men to work for the cartels.

LOL never been in any major city I see.

It is coming to us.

I live right outside the 7th largest city in the US right now.
In fact I’ll be downtown there tomorrow.
I’ll keep my eyes peeled for cartel technicals and rolling gun battles.

Posted: 10/18/2019 5:02:42 PM EDT

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LOL, U.S. LE has nothing to do with it. The logistics are extremely daunting in and of themselves. LE in this country would be totally overwhelmed if they suddenly found themselves facing a Culiacan-scale attack to free El Chapo. But getting those forces here and then getting everyone out is way too challenging of a task. And then you have the likely military response.

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Not only that - where are they going for safe harbor? Chad? Maybe Venezuela? Limited options.

Posted: 10/18/2019 5:03:30 PM EDT

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In Mexico?

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I thought we were still talking about what would happen here. Lol.

Posted: 10/18/2019 5:04:52 PM EDT

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Well the Mexican civis are now calling for AMLO’s resignation due to yesterday’s violence and his entertainment of the cartels wishes.

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What other options does AMLO have????

Well the Mexican civis are now calling for AMLO’s resignation due to yesterday’s violence and his entertainment of the cartels wishes.

There’s a lot of good people in Mexico that work hard and just want to live in peace despite what GDs overall perception of that country is.

Posted: 10/18/2019 5:05:27 PM EDT

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What other options does AMLO have????

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Thank God for small favors, right?

All AMLO guaranteed was that there will be no more arrests of cartel heads, or a serious ass kicking and complete embarrassment of the government will immediately follow.

What other options does AMLO have????

He has the option of enforcing the laws and not hiding behind "people might get killed" to justify the abdication of the government's responsibility to secure the country. Believe it or not, Mexicans are proud people and this makes a mockery of Mexico on the world stage.

Posted: 10/18/2019 5:17:19 PM EDT

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National guard would be rolled in.

Maybe even air guard if it got outta hand.

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The first time or two that it broke out here, the LEOs would probably be in bad shape.

The good news is we can adapt pretty quickly, if we really want to.

The bad news is we, as a society, would have to want it, and there would be lots of blood. I figure our PDs wouldn't give him up, which would lead to a slaughter.

National guard would be rolled in.

Maybe even air guard if it got outta hand.

Yep.

That takes time. The initial attack would be bad.

Posted: 10/18/2019 5:19:48 PM EDT

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Declare the cartels to be terrorist organizations ...no need for PC.

It appears that the cartels embraced asymetric warfare in Mexico to protect their organizations and profits from government intervention.

We should expect nothing less to happen here. I think it's going to take much more than our local LE/PD/Sheriffs can muster to combat the cartels if we keep allowing them to expand here.

I don't think America is ready for the kind of violence and bloodshed that's happening in Mexico to happen on our city streets. But it will happen if we don't act decisively now while we have numerical and martial superiority.

The A-10's and Apache's need to be making their gun runs in Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, California, Nevada right fucking now and push the cartels back across the river, never allowing them to set up inside our nation as they've done at this time.

Oh wait, something about elected politicians who have taken 'campaign contributions' from wealthy donors with business interests in Mexico is keeping us from responding as needed to the situation along our border with Mexico. Right?

Posted: 10/18/2019 5:21:48 PM EDT

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Excellent analysis.

Do some research on the political history of Mexico.

Since about 1900-ish, they've had very strong communist-esque outlook on the order of operations of government. Very central planning when the average citizen is closer to liberterian (in the sense of personal independence and small government).

The rise of the Narco State, if you look at the political and economic justifications, is more of a response to a central government that has failed its people, and an organic response to filling in the gap created by an economy that has never been able to create enough jobs for the majority, and an uncertain currency which the citizens can't rely on.

Mexico has been a defacto failed state since the Dirty War (thanks CIA!). The cartels were the only ones strong enough to fill the void.

Wait until they cut the middle man out and instead of paying Presidents $100+ million for their mordida, they simply start running their well know cartel guys for office.

And win.

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They were a failed state since gaining independence from Spain

Posted: 10/18/2019 5:22:18 PM EDT

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Looks like Mexico needs to start holding some Gun Buy-Backs to get those things off the street.

I just hope they have enough Target Gift Cards.

Posted: 10/18/2019 5:38:04 PM EDT

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They'd be decimated.

The US has never faced that kind of aggression and organized violence on US soil. PDs would be overwhelmed and once the kidnapping/beheading of family begins I bet a lot would stand down.

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The cartels wouldn’t pull that off much here before getting curb stomped

Posted: 10/18/2019 5:38:54 PM EDT

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fucking wild to watch.

Anything happen in the past few hours? or is it all wrapped up?

Posted: 10/18/2019 5:41:47 PM EDT

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fucking wild to watch.

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I haven't heard anything of any active fighting going on, flights/bus in and out of Culiacan are suspended, schools closed, US consulates closed.

Posted: 10/18/2019 5:42:38 PM EDT

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And yet El Chapo is imprisioned in the US and no one has come to break him out.
The cartels do not want to fuck with US law enforcement.

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They could pull this shit within several hundred miles of the border and meet with immediate success. It's the long term consequences that they aren't prepared to deal with. Some lessons stay taught.....

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Posted: 10/18/2019 5:53:56 PM EDT

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You are just wrong about the Mexicans coming to the us if it’s legal.

If Monsanto and Bayer decide to start selling smack in CVS’s across the US. The cartels would just disintegrate. It might be extra violent down there for a second but there is nothing they could really do about it.

We already saw it with the pot trade.

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I don't know what you're talking about. I never said they would come to the U.S.

Posted: 10/18/2019 5:54:34 PM EDT

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Posted: 10/18/2019 5:55:49 PM EDT

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The cartels wouldn’t pull that off much here before getting curb stomped

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They'd be decimated.

The US has never faced that kind of aggression and organized violence on US soil. PDs would be overwhelmed and once the kidnapping/beheading of family begins I bet a lot would stand down.

The cartels wouldn’t pull that off much here before getting curb stomped

Why not? I suspect they would switch up their tactics to more hit and run and/or ambush style assaults and forget about the seize and hold type shit they're doing down there.

Posted: 10/18/2019 6:02:59 PM EDT

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Are those guys with the .50 Government guys or is that a cartel crew with a .50 they got from a straw purchaser in a U.S. border state?

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Probably another one that the ATF sent them.

Posted: 10/18/2019 6:06:57 PM EDT

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There’s a lot of good people in Mexico that work hard and just want to live in peace despite what GDs overall perception of that country is.

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They don't want it bad enough to die for it, otherwise they would be free or dead already.

Posted: 10/18/2019 6:08:42 PM EDT

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Yep. According to nancy-the treasonous old crusty bitch-pelosi....we should be welcoming all those wonderful people with open arms and open borders...offering them free education, free medical coupons, free housing vouchers, etc...it's no problem, they'll just deduct another $50 a week out of your paycheck to cover the costs...

Posted: 10/18/2019 6:16:17 PM EDT

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Repeat a lie often enough......

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Already seeing the tweets about how all these guns are from America it's all the Americas fault

Repeat a lie often enough......

Perfect, they should build a border wall to keep the evil Americans out!

Posted: 10/18/2019 6:24:27 PM EDT

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The cartels are already here and how hard is it to get firearms and explosives? They can get those here and if not I hear they’re pretty good at sneaking stuff across the border.
You think El Chapo wants to die in a US prison? His boys have the financial resources to buy an army. Hell they have one already. Yet they won’t do a dam thing on US soil to draw unnecessary attention to themselves. Why do you think that is?

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I wonder how well a local US police force could deal with that level of violence if that were to happen here.

Say we had the kid here and they came with that.

Are you kidding. California shut down because of one man named Dorner

And yet El Chapo is imprisioned in the US and no one has come to break him out.
The cartels do not want to fuck with US law enforcement.

LOL, U.S. LE has nothing to do with it. The logistics are extremely daunting in and of themselves. LE in this country would be totally overwhelmed if they suddenly found themselves facing a Culiacan-scale attack to free El Chapo. But getting those forces here and then getting everyone out is way too challenging of a task. And then you have the likely military response.

The cartels are already here and how hard is it to get firearms and explosives? They can get those here and if not I hear they’re pretty good at sneaking stuff across the border.
You think El Chapo wants to die in a US prison? His boys have the financial resources to buy an army. Hell they have one already. Yet they won’t do a dam thing on US soil to draw unnecessary attention to themselves. Why do you think that is?

LOL, they're not assembling an army and getting someone out of the country imprisoned in Florida. Get real.

The deterrence is not American civilian LE. Lots of other reasons why they won't try breaking him out. Logistics, the U.S. military, politics, and other things are among the big reasons. If they actually had the means to pull something like this off, plus the will, American LE might get a few licks in, but in the end would be in for a world of hurt. Civilian LE is simply not a good tool to deal with military-grade threats.

Posted: 10/18/2019 6:25:58 PM EDT

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Halt illegal immigration. Period. Deport those here illegally and manage the flow of $$ out of our nation to Mexico and beyond. No more fucking sanctuary cities.

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It takes an enormous amount of manpower to completely control the southern border and even more to shut it down. I’m of the opinion that civilian law enforcement will never have the capabilities or resources to do that. As long as commerce and border crossers are moving through the ports of entries, there will be smuggling. Only way to prevent it is by ceasing all traffic and that isn’t happening. So, the ports will always leak. In between the ports it could be done militarily, quite easily, I think. It will still take a lot of assets.

There are many miles of border which will never see a fence, let alone a wall, due to terrain, a river, property use, and environmental issues. That’s how it’s always been along the border. A lot of area with no infrastructure. If there is a hole, any hole, it will eventually be exploited.

There are probably upwards of 35-40 million illegal aliens here in need of an invitation to leave right fucking now. This needed to be done 30 years ago when the political climate allowed for it. Because five years later, it didn’t. And the numbers weren’t as great. It was feasible then, maybe. Now? Good luck. The INA Act of 1965 started this shit. Uncontrolled numbers of immigrants are never good for the long term health of any country.

Cities, pssh. California is a goddamned sanctuary state now.

Posted: 10/18/2019 6:26:53 PM EDT

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JUST IN: Mexican security forces let 'El Chapo' Guzman's son go free, retreated to protect lives - security minister. More https://t.co/RceUzKg4WY pic.twitter.com/DLtZ6Z3OFj
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This is why Mexico will always lose.

Posted: 10/18/2019 6:27:02 PM EDT

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Not only that - where are they going for safe harbor? Chad? Maybe Venezuela? Limited options.

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LOL, U.S. LE has nothing to do with it. The logistics are extremely daunting in and of themselves. LE in this country would be totally overwhelmed if they suddenly found themselves facing a Culiacan-scale attack to free El Chapo. But getting those forces here and then getting everyone out is way too challenging of a task. And then you have the likely military response.

Not only that - where are they going for safe harbor? Chad? Maybe Venezuela? Limited options.

Exfil is one of the big logistical hurdles that is not likely to be surmountable. Maybe of our military was like Mexico's, but it's not. The USAF and Navy would make short work of any attempt to move such forces and El Chapo himself out of the country following a successful breakout. NG/Army combined with sheer distance make exfil by land out of the question.

Posted: 10/18/2019 6:28:59 PM EDT

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This would just be a remake of a movie we have already seen before. What happened to all the people involved in the illegal alcohol business when prohibition ended? The more business minded people kept going but complied with laws. The folks at Jack Daniels or Seagrams don't have people killed, they hire lobbyists and lawyers just like other businesses when they want something.

The more criminally minded people kept on going with crime and found other ways to make money. But with out that source of large amounts of easy money their power decreased. Compare the mafia of today with the mafia of the 1930's and the power they had back then.

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This is the correct answer. We are the ones creating these black markets.

It is immoral to tell your citizens what they can and can't consume. No matter what it is.

Posted: 10/18/2019 6:29:54 PM EDT

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LOL, they're not assembling an army and getting someone out of the country imprisoned in Florida. Get real.

The deterrence is not American civilian LE. Lots of other reasons why they won't try breaking him out. Logistics, the U.S. military, politics, and other things are among the big reasons. If they actually had the means to pull something like this off, plus the will, American LE might get a few licks in, but in the end would be in for a world of hurt. Civilian LE is simply not a good tool to deal with military-grade threats.

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If only we could devise a middle step to deal with active shooters, terrorism, and other events that outclass LE but do not call for military deployment. Something like all the responsible members of a community being well regulated(equipped and trained to a standard) that could respond to protect their communities. I wonder why nobody thought of this when the country was being set up?

Posted: 10/18/2019 6:30:42 PM EDT

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Excellent analysis.

Do some research on the political history of Mexico.

Since about 1900-ish, they've had very strong communist-esque outlook on the order of operations of government. Very central planning when the average citizen is closer to liberterian (in the sense of personal independence and small government).

The rise of the Narco State, if you look at the political and economic justifications, is more of a response to a central government that has failed its people, and an organic response to filling in the gap created by an economy that has never been able to create enough jobs for the majority, and an uncertain currency which the citizens can't rely on.

Mexico has been a defacto failed state since the Dirty War (thanks CIA!). The cartels were the only ones strong enough to fill the void.

Wait until they cut the middle man out and instead of paying Presidents $100+ million for their mordida, they simply start running their well know cartel guys for office.

And win.

They were a failed state since gaining independence from Spain

The best government they ever had since the 1824 constitution was essentially thrown out was an Austrian (Emperor Maximillian). The guy who murdered him and took over was basically a socialist, and ruled like one, and one of his generals from the Maximillian War took over later and was bad enough to spark the Revolution. They've had shit government ever since, and shit government before. I think Californios may have seen the writing on the wall, which would help explain why they asked Spain to remain part of Spain and not Mexico (and why secession movements were a constant through the Mexican War).

Posted: 10/18/2019 6:30:53 PM EDT

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Posted: 10/18/2019 6:38:21 PM EDT

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If only we could devise a middle step to deal with active shooters, terrorism, and other events that outclass LE but do not call for military deployment. Something like all the responsible members of a community being well regulated(equipped and trained to a standard) that could respond to protect their communities. I wonder why nobody thought of this when the country was being set up?

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LOL, they're not assembling an army and getting someone out of the country imprisoned in Florida. Get real.

The deterrence is not American civilian LE. Lots of other reasons why they won't try breaking him out. Logistics, the U.S. military, politics, and other things are among the big reasons. If they actually had the means to pull something like this off, plus the will, American LE might get a few licks in, but in the end would be in for a world of hurt. Civilian LE is simply not a good tool to deal with military-grade threats.

If only we could devise a middle step to deal with active shooters, terrorism, and other events that outclass LE but do not call for military deployment. Something like all the responsible members of a community being well regulated(equipped and trained to a standard) that could respond to protect their communities. I wonder why nobody thought of this when the country was being set up?

I am all for an effective militia system. Not sure the American people are, though. First step would be universal male obligation (although universal service would be impractical; hand-picking plus a lottery, like what the Swiss did, would be the way to do it). Honestly, I'm not sure any State would be willing to bear the cost to have a militia large enough, trained enough, and sufficiently equipped to be useful, whether to deal with this level of violence, military threats, other types of terrorism, or civil unrest (or serve as a check on the Feds, which is part of the original mission). The Feds would be opposed, too, for obvious reasons. And probably the most ardent lobbyer against revival of the militia since the early 1900s is the NGAUS, since they have tended to view revivial of the militia as a threat to the status of the NG. I think they may well hold more contempt for the concept than the Regulars. Lots of opposition, not enough motivation. And even back in the day, many States neglected the militia. It's something that requires constant support and maintenance. The ones we have based on the SDF model simply don't cut it for most intents and purposes. Most aren't even armed.

Posted: 10/18/2019 6:39:11 PM EDT

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I noticed that that dude is wearing Rhodesian camo.

Posted: 10/18/2019 6:40:35 PM EDT

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I know grossing 100 million dollars a year buys you lots of options but where exactly DO you just buy rocket launchers and SAW's for cash?

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I am fairly certain that $100 million/year is a gross UNDERestimate of the cartel income, if that is what you are referencing.

Posted: 10/18/2019 6:40:57 PM EDT

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Thank God for small favors, right?

All AMLO guaranteed was that there will be no more arrests of cartel heads, or a serious ass kicking and complete embarrassment of the government will immediately follow.

What other options does AMLO have????

As someone else suggested:
Relocate military families out of country; use Marines to clean out known cartel villas, labs and factories; execute known cartel members on site with no trial (war); then go after the collaborating bankers; then start clearing neighborhoods and towns; start hunting a card deck of cartel leaders; make sure every cartel is attacked and hunted. Once the reliable Marines start establishing cleared zones then have army and navy units hold and secure. Anyone in military caught aiding a cartel member faces firing squad.

I think we should do the same thing in the US. Use the courts to determine if a group is terrorist or organized crime. If so, then have a shoot on sight for any known members and anyone helping known members. That ought to equalize the fear factor. Publicize the member list with bounties for per dead body and info tips. They are waging war so the govt needs to accept that and respond in kind. Work out clear legal boundaries for identifying cartel members and helpers. Also, give the Coast Guard green light to sink cartel boats and subs, the USAF to shoot down cartel planes. Quit treating terrorists, cartels and organized crime as criminals. Treat them as enemies of the state. It should take a lot of work and deliberation to classify a group as enemy of the state but once done it is a weapons free license to exterminate.

Unfortunately that approach in with country requires political will and with so many politicians complicit in drugs and organized crime related corruption that is likely impossible. Anything less is just low grade nibbling at the edges.

Posted: 10/18/2019 6:45:05 PM EDT

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The cartel exists because they make money running illegal drugs to the US.

If drugs in the US were legalized and taxed like cigarettes and alcohol the cartels would be out of business.

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WRONG: The carrels are as diversified as any large multinational corporation. Their bottom line would take a hit but they would be far from out of business.

Posted: 10/18/2019 6:49:36 PM EDT

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Yeah they totally aren't involved in all kinds of stuff that make them tons of money. If drugs were legalized they would immediately close up shop and retire.

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If drugs in the US were legalized and taxed like cigarettes and alcohol the cartels would be out of business.

Yeah they totally aren't involved in all kinds of stuff that make them tons of money. If drugs were legalized they would immediately close up shop and retire.

No, but it would dry up the majority of their revenue which makes it harder to wage large scale war and widespread corruption. Prohibition is a valid example. Unfortunately, and surely just coincidence, just as we legalized alcohol we also started harsher restrictions on drugs. Organized crime did not exist as it does today before Prohibition. Making drugs illegal gave them a similar income stream as an alternative to legalized alcohol.

Prostitution, shakedowns, gambling (could be easily legalized nationally and kind of pointless not to with Nevada and Indian res) cannot be so easily expanded as addictive consumables. There may still be crime cartels but at a much smaller scale and much less influence.

Posted: 10/18/2019 6:50:22 PM EDT

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You are just wrong about the Mexicans coming to the us if it’s legal.

If Monsanto and Bayer decide to start selling smack in CVS’s across the US. The cartels would just disintegrate. It might be extra violent down there for a second but there is nothing they could really do about it.

We already saw it with the pot trade.

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Really now ?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/cannabis-one-year-illegal-sales-nb-1.5323130

Posted: 10/18/2019 6:54:25 PM EDT

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Exfil is one of the big logistical hurdles that is not likely to be surmountable. Maybe of our military was like Mexico's, but it's not. The USAF and Navy would make short work of any attempt to move such forces and El Chapo himself out of the country following a successful breakout. NG/Army combined with sheer distance make exfil by land out of the question.

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LOL, U.S. LE has nothing to do with it. The logistics are extremely daunting in and of themselves. LE in this country would be totally overwhelmed if they suddenly found themselves facing a Culiacan-scale attack to free El Chapo. But getting those forces here and then getting everyone out is way too challenging of a task. And then you have the likely military response.

Not only that - where are they going for safe harbor? Chad? Maybe Venezuela? Limited options.

Exfil is one of the big logistical hurdles that is not likely to be surmountable. Maybe of our military was like Mexico's, but it's not. The USAF and Navy would make short work of any attempt to move such forces and El Chapo himself out of the country following a successful breakout. NG/Army combined with sheer distance make exfil by land out of the question.

Yep. El Chapo is done. He'll likely spend the rest of his life in ADX Florence.

That's only a short term fix, though. As seen, someone, or a group, will always take their place.

Posted: 10/18/2019 6:55:46 PM EDT

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LOL, they're not assembling an army and getting someone out of the country imprisoned in Florida. Get real.

The deterrence is not American civilian LE. Lots of other reasons why they won't try breaking him out. Logistics, the U.S. military, politics, and other things are among the big reasons. If they actually had the means to pull something like this off, plus the will, American LE might get a few licks in, but in the end would be in for a world of hurt. Civilian LE is simply not a good tool to deal with military-grade threats.

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I wonder how well a local US police force could deal with that level of violence if that were to happen here.

Say we had the kid here and they came with that.

Are you kidding. California shut down because of one man named Dorner

And yet El Chapo is imprisioned in the US and no one has come to break him out.
The cartels do not want to fuck with US law enforcement.

LOL, U.S. LE has nothing to do with it. The logistics are extremely daunting in and of themselves. LE in this country would be totally overwhelmed if they suddenly found themselves facing a Culiacan-scale attack to free El Chapo. But getting those forces here and then getting everyone out is way too challenging of a task. And then you have the likely military response.

The cartels are already here and how hard is it to get firearms and explosives? They can get those here and if not I hear they’re pretty good at sneaking stuff across the border.
You think El Chapo wants to die in a US prison? His boys have the financial resources to buy an army. Hell they have one already. Yet they won’t do a dam thing on US soil to draw unnecessary attention to themselves. Why do you think that is?

LOL, they're not assembling an army and getting someone out of the country imprisoned in Florida. Get real.

The deterrence is not American civilian LE. Lots of other reasons why they won't try breaking him out. Logistics, the U.S. military, politics, and other things are among the big reasons. If they actually had the means to pull something like this off, plus the will, American LE might get a few licks in, but in the end would be in for a world of hurt. Civilian LE is simply not a good tool to deal with military-grade threats.

Your reading comprehension is lacking.
I’m the one saying it’s not happening. I’m just saying it’s not because of logistics or lack of manpower.

Posted: 10/18/2019 7:00:55 PM EDT

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Cancelled classes because of rain?

No wonder Mexico is a third-world shithole.

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Came here to post this.

Yet somehow there are people who think an open border is good

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Mexico: Gun battle today involving El Chapo's son. (Page 10 of 16)

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