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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:10:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It blows me away that a non-emergency vehicle is authorized to obstruct vehicle traffic on major arterial roads for the complete non-emergency purpose of off loading passengers at a pre-planned stop.  Attached FileSee the license plate? |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:12:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It blows me away that a non-emergency vehicle is authorized to obstruct vehicle traffic on major arterial roads for the complete non-emergency purpose of off loading passengers at a pre-planned stop. If the children being offloaded are so young that there is a reasonable possibility they will inexplicably leave the sidewalk and charge into traffic they have no business departing a school bus on their own, absent direct adult supervision in the first place. It is not the job of society at large to protect your unsupervised children from motor vehicle hazards, it is your job to supervise your children properly, or the job of the school district adult in charge of them. This is an unpopular opinion in nanny state America, but I stand by it. I also think camera enforced traffic infractions are bullshit and traffic infractions not witnessed by a police officer should be considered dead in the water. In my state there are a ton of actual misdemeanor crimes I cannot make a custodial arrest for if they occur outside my presence, yet it's okay to install a camera at a red light and issue civil infraction tickets after the fact by follow up investigation? Bullshit. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:19:31 PM EDT
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It blows me away that a non-emergency vehicle is authorized to obstruct vehicle traffic on major arterial roads for the complete non-emergency purpose of off loading passengers at a pre-planned stop. If the children being offloaded are so young that there is a reasonable possibility they will inexplicably leave the sidewalk and charge into traffic they have no business departing a school bus on their own, absent direct adult supervision in the first place. It is not the job of society at large to protect your unsupervised children from motor vehicle hazards, it is your job to supervise your children properly, or the job of the school district adult in charge of them. This is an unpopular opinion in nanny state America, but I stand by it. I also think camera enforced traffic infractions are bullshit and traffic infractions not witnessed by a police officer should be considered dead in the water. In my state there are a ton of actual misdemeanor crimes I cannot make a custodial arrest for if they occur outside my presence, yet it's okay to install a camera at a red light and issue civil infraction tickets after the fact by follow up investigation? Bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It blows me away that people still pass stopped school buses. If the children being offloaded are so young that there is a reasonable possibility they will inexplicably leave the sidewalk and charge into traffic they have no business departing a school bus on their own, absent direct adult supervision in the first place. It is not the job of society at large to protect your unsupervised children from motor vehicle hazards, it is your job to supervise your children properly, or the job of the school district adult in charge of them. This is an unpopular opinion in nanny state America, but I stand by it. I also think camera enforced traffic infractions are bullshit and traffic infractions not witnessed by a police officer should be considered dead in the water. In my state there are a ton of actual misdemeanor crimes I cannot make a custodial arrest for if they occur outside my presence, yet it's okay to install a camera at a red light and issue civil infraction tickets after the fact by follow up investigation? Bullshit. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:20:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It blows me away that a non-emergency vehicle is authorized to obstruct vehicle traffic on major arterial roads for the complete non-emergency purpose of off loading passengers at a pre-planned stop. If the children being offloaded are so young that there is a reasonable possibility they will inexplicably leave the sidewalk and charge into traffic they have no business departing a school bus on their own, absent direct adult supervision in the first place. It is not the job of society at large to protect your unsupervised children from motor vehicle hazards, it is your job to supervise your children properly, or the job of the school district adult in charge of them. This is an unpopular opinion in nanny state America, but I stand by it. I also think camera enforced traffic infractions are bullshit and traffic infractions not witnessed by a police officer should be considered dead in the water. In my state there are a ton of actual misdemeanor crimes I cannot make a custodial arrest for if they occur outside my presence, yet it's okay to install a camera at a red light and issue civil infraction tickets after the fact by follow up investigation? Bullshit. 
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:25:47 PM EDT
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Is it a crime, or a ticket (civil infrction)?
In MI, if it doesn't happen in the presence of the cop you only get to scold the guy. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:32:36 PM EDT
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Funny thing, they used to teach kids to look before crossing the street. You know, where cars belong and people don't. We complain about sissy kids and liberal indocrination, then we treat them exactly they way we complain about and hope that people get penalties for not following big government laws. 
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:35:20 PM EDT
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Is it a crime, or a ticket (civil infrction)? In MI, if it doesn't happen in the presence of the cop you only get to scold the guy. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:38:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOf course they were suddenly able to move the bus stop off the major road after 4 kids get killed and multiple lives are ruined.
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:45:11 PM EDT
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How about you don't run red lights, blow through stop signs, or pass a flashing red school bus and there won't be issues. Jesus Christ I can't believe I have to defend NOT PASSING a school bus picking up/dropping off little kids. What the fuck is wrong with you? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Agreed. Part of me thinks it should be jail time if you pass a flashing red school bus. Or treat them like a DUI or something: huge fines; increased insurance; and special plates to let everyone know you're okay with potentially running over a kid to save a few minutes.
If you’re really that concerned for your kid you wouldn’t let them ride to school in a giant aluminum tube that has to get exemptions to pass crash safety tests, doesn’t require seatbelts, and is driven by someone making $9 an hour. You’d drive them to school yourself. Jesus Christ I can't believe I have to defend NOT PASSING a school bus picking up/dropping off little kids. What the fuck is wrong with you? In CT, it's $450 plus court fees. Also four points on your license from DMV. And insurance companies go insane on your rates. When I first started out in infractions court, I was merciless to people who did this if I had sufficient evidence to convict them. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:51:32 PM EDT
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That is something worth smacking someone with a big ticket for. Our county has the cameras on the buses too, and I'm all good with it.
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:58:29 PM EDT
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Divided highway with an actual median and the bus is on the other side? = Keep rolling Divided highway with a suicide lane and the bus is on the other side? = Stop Any other situation = Stop Also, the cameras are a civil matter and not moving violations. IANAL, YMMV Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GA recently change the danged law to where no one knows when/where to stop. It's like trying to get the ATF to interpret a ruling. Asinine. That said a friend got popped for $225 by them and yes they were quite well. Divided highway with a suicide lane and the bus is on the other side? = Stop Any other situation = Stop Also, the cameras are a civil matter and not moving violations. IANAL, YMMV Also the law you quote was after they had to clarify it. Still very co fusing for some. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 9:03:19 PM EDT
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some drivers are reasonable others well... I used to get stuck behind a sped bus... that put its sign out when it stopped at an intersection for like 5 minutes... for a kid in a wheelchair with an attendant... WTF
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Posted: 10/16/2019 9:09:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It blows me away that a non-emergency vehicle is authorized to obstruct vehicle traffic on major arterial roads for the complete non-emergency purpose of off loading passengers at a pre-planned stop. If the children being offloaded are so young that there is a reasonable possibility they will inexplicably leave the sidewalk and charge into traffic they have no business departing a school bus on their own, absent direct adult supervision in the first place. It is not the job of society at large to protect your unsupervised children from motor vehicle hazards, it is your job to supervise your children properly, or the job of the school district adult in charge of them. This is an unpopular opinion in nanny state America, but I stand by it. I also think camera enforced traffic infractions are bullshit and traffic infractions not witnessed by a police officer should be considered dead in the water. In my state there are a ton of actual misdemeanor crimes I cannot make a custodial arrest for if they occur outside my presence, yet it's okay to install a camera at a red light and issue civil infraction tickets after the fact by follow up investigation? Bullshit. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 9:10:41 PM EDT
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Smoke the driver with a new asshole. Any one that passes a bus with the lights on needs to be jailed.
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Posted: 10/16/2019 9:13:48 PM EDT
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Its been a big problem in Beloit, WI on US51 heading north. 45 zone with houses all over. I came to a stop behind the bus in the left lane last year. Next thing you know 2 cars went flying around me and the bus at high speed, as in near 60 mph. Both looked like they were gonna clip the bus. Was a story about crap like this in the paper last year.. Around 30-40 reports of people not stopping on this road that year in the 1st 3 months of the school year. Bus company now has cameras.
Reports of this are down this year on this road since they fucked up the layout of the road. They resurfaced it totally this year and changed the layout. Was a 4 lane road. Now its single lane each direction with a left only turn lane in the center. Also made the shoulders HUGE. Their reasoning is for safety of people trying to turn left. Actually they made it more dangerous. 30-35yrs ago it was set up like this. Lots of crashes. Changed it to 4 lanes and things mellowed. Didn't have to follow some idiot going 10 under for a couple miles. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 9:39:34 PM EDT
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Had a kid I went to middle school with killed by a school bus passer. Also have a 7 year old getting on and off the bus daily. Good citation. If someone blew the school bus stop arm at my daughters stop, I’d have a hard time not hopping in my car, running them down, and beating them to death. Middle school age is what, 11 – 15 depending on location? When did we stop teaching children to look both ways before crossing? |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 9:42:56 PM EDT
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Tyranny
Don’t forget to get his tail light too |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 9:44:33 PM EDT
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Well if he has a twin brother, he can prove it in court. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How can you be sure you ticket the correct driver? |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 9:45:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If someone blew the school bus stop arm at my daughters stop, I'd have a hard time not hopping in my car, running them down, and beating them to death. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 9:46:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When did we stop teaching children to look both ways before crossing? |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 9:48:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: -So any public busing transportation? Doesn't have to be a school bus. -Some kids have to cross the street when getting on and off the bus. It's not about 'inexplicably leaving the sidewalk,' it's about crossing the street and and not being struck by two tons of car in the process. I also believe it is bullshit that tax subsidized homeless person transport crawlers AKA city buses jam up the roadway, have dedicated lanes, and constantly fucking stop and hold up traffic to load/unload and merge like idiots cutting off other drivers. It's a completely inefficient commie transport system that takes twice as long to get somewhere as driving a car and it only exists to convenience poor people, the indigent, and transportation hipsters who think they are saving the environment. As to your second point, if children are old enough to safely ambulate from their house to a school bus stop they can be expected to cross the fucking street safely one last time without a giant flashing stop sign being deployed, since they crossed a bunch of streets to get there in the first place. If they are too young to safely navigate being a pedestrian they need to be supervised by a fucking adult until they are ON THE DAMN BUS, not allowed to loiter unsupervised at a bus stop area and dart across the street when the magical flashing stop sign is deployed. But we could take care of all school bus related concerns by getting rid of public service school buses entirely along with the rest of the inefficient tax funded communist public transport crawlers and making people drive and/or walk their children to school... a novel concept, indeed. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 9:51:52 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/69748/pasted_image_at_2017_04_21_01_50_pm_png-1126491.JPG See the license plate? 
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Posted: 10/16/2019 9:55:52 PM EDT
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Good! School zones and buses should be zero tolerance.......Along with running red lights. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 9:55:54 PM EDT
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Had a kid I went to middle school with killed by a school bus passer. Also have a 7 year old getting on and off the bus daily. Good citation. If someone blew the school bus stop arm at my daughters stop, I’d have a hard time not hopping in my car, running them down, and beating them to death. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 9:56:28 PM EDT
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For your first point, public transportation in general is a massive money hole that would completely go away if it were required to pay for operating costs via fares. If it were efficient and profitable, private local bus services would exist. They do not, that is called a clue. I also believe it is bullshit that tax subsidized homeless person transport crawlers AKA city buses jam up the roadway, have dedicated lanes, and constantly fucking stop and hold up traffic to load/unload and merge like idiots cutting off other drivers. It's a completely inefficient commie transport system that takes twice as long to get somewhere as driving a car and it only exists to convenience poor people, the indigent, and transportation hipsters who think they are saving the environment. As to your second point, if children are old enough to safely ambulate from their house to a school bus stop they can be expected to cross the fucking street safely one last time without a giant flashing stop sign being deployed, since they crossed a bunch of streets to get there in the first place. If they are too young to safely navigate being a pedestrian they need to be supervised by a fucking adult until they are ON THE DAMN BUS, not allowed to loiter unsupervised at a bus stop area and dart across the street when the magical flashing stop sign is deployed. But we could take care of all school bus related concerns by getting rid of public service school buses entirely along with the rest of the inefficient tax funded communist public transport crawlers and making people drive and/or walk their children to school... a novel concept, indeed. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 9:57:45 PM EDT
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People who blow past stopped school buses suck.
The latest versions of the Angeltrax camera system are amazing. People should not underestimate them. It's an expensive ticket in the state of Georgia to pass a stopped school bus. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 9:58:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryEssentially the only section of Title 75 officers must obey, even when running code, they must come to a complete stop before proceeding to pass a school bus displaying stop sign & red lights. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 9:59:31 PM EDT
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Get some help. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 10:01:03 PM EDT
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Y’all enforce seat belt laws on the school bus?
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Posted: 10/16/2019 10:01:20 PM EDT
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When I was 7 or 8 had someone drive around a bus on out 2 lane street. He was going 100 plus. Killed one of my neighbor and friends sister.
It was a horrible thing to watch. This was before movies had desenistized blood and gore. The picked her up in several pieces and put her into a basket. Horrible way for a 6 yo to die. The guy ran. He was caught. Never heard what happened to him. I hoped he chocked to death on a dick in prison. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 10:02:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fun trivia question for GD: If someone has an identical twin will they have the same DNA and fingerprints? No googling  The fingerprints are random mutations I think, developed when the tissue is initially formed. They’re not programmed, I don’t think. I doubt the DNA can ever be 100% identical. Given that it’s constantly replicating and might be doing so at a slightly different rate in both bodies, I can’t imagine it would ever be identical |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 10:04:35 PM EDT
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We’re gonna need an AAR.
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Posted: 10/16/2019 10:04:59 PM EDT
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My wife is a teacher and occasionally drives a bus, due to personnel shortages in her district. She absolutely loves driving a bus. Not for the extra pay, but being able to spend time with the kids. Our local sheriff department or the North Carolina Highway Patrol won't investigate someone running a school bus stop arm unless they witness it. She complains all the time, and every time they give the same reason why they can't do it. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 10:05:01 PM EDT
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When I was 7 or 8 had someone drive around a bus on out 2 lane street. He was going 100 plus. Killed one of my neighbor and friends sister. It was a horrible thing to watch. This was before movies had desenistized blood and gore. The picked her up in several pieces and put her into a basket. Horrible way for a 6 yo to die. The guy ran. He was caught. Never heard what happened to him. I hoped he chocked to death on a dick in prison. However, someone doing 100+, or for that matter going so fast as to be unable to stop and kill a pedestrian in an area with unmarked crosswalks and sidewalks is going to commit vehicular homicide regardless of the presence of a yellow bus with a flashing LED stop sign. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 10:05:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fun trivia question for GD: If someone has an identical twin will they have the same DNA and fingerprints? No googling |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 10:06:58 PM EDT
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Nobody should pass a school bus with the sign out.
My issue is with bus drivers not knowing how to use their equipment and causing tickets. Op looked at the video. I assume bus was stopped with yellow flashers then driver implementing red flashers/signs. Not abrupt stop an immediate sign out. Some dumb bus drivers around here don’t understand why there are yellow traffic lights, or assume the world stops when they pop the their stop sign out. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 10:08:06 PM EDT
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School zones shouldn't even be a thing. Kids exist across society. If they can't look both ways to cross at the school, then we need all speed limits everywhere to be 25 mph, or we need to ban cars. School zones are retarded. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good! School zones and buses should be zero tolerance.......Along with running red lights.  Fun fact, that used to be the national speed limit. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 10:12:51 PM EDT
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Mentally unstable people like you are why red flag laws are becoming more popular. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Had a kid I went to middle school with killed by a school bus passer. Also have a 7 year old getting on and off the bus daily. Good citation. If someone blew the school bus stop arm at my daughters stop, I’d have a hard time not hopping in my car, running them down, and beating them to death. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 10:17:03 PM EDT
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It blows me away that a non-emergency vehicle is authorized to obstruct vehicle traffic on major arterial roads for the complete non-emergency purpose of off loading passengers at a pre-planned stop. If the children being offloaded are so young that there is a reasonable possibility they will inexplicably leave the sidewalk and charge into traffic they have no business departing a school bus on their own, absent direct adult supervision in the first place. It is not the job of society at large to protect your unsupervised children from motor vehicle hazards, it is your job to supervise your children properly, or the job of the school district adult in charge of them. This is an unpopular opinion in nanny state America, but I stand by it. I also think camera enforced traffic infractions are bullshit and traffic infractions not witnessed by a police officer should be considered dead in the water. In my state there are a ton of actual misdemeanor crimes I cannot make a custodial arrest for if they occur outside my presence, yet it's okay to install a camera at a red light and issue civil infraction tickets after the fact by follow up investigation? Bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It blows me away that people still pass stopped school buses. If the children being offloaded are so young that there is a reasonable possibility they will inexplicably leave the sidewalk and charge into traffic they have no business departing a school bus on their own, absent direct adult supervision in the first place. It is not the job of society at large to protect your unsupervised children from motor vehicle hazards, it is your job to supervise your children properly, or the job of the school district adult in charge of them. This is an unpopular opinion in nanny state America, but I stand by it. I also think camera enforced traffic infractions are bullshit and traffic infractions not witnessed by a police officer should be considered dead in the water. In my state there are a ton of actual misdemeanor crimes I cannot make a custodial arrest for if they occur outside my presence, yet it's okay to install a camera at a red light and issue civil infraction tickets after the fact by follow up investigation? Bullshit. I also think passing a school bus discharging kids is not necessarily dangerous, even if it's illegal. I don't understand why people are outraged over a cop going past a school bus with caution. It's no different than passing kids playing on the street. Are the kids more likely to get run over when a bus is present than when it's not? |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 10:19:20 PM EDT
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How much was the camera system?...I know, if it saves....
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Posted: 10/16/2019 10:20:04 PM EDT
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Once in my life, quite by accident.
Sketchy urban area of Atlanta, with cars parked on both sides of the street. Wife was asleep and I wasnt 100% sure where I was going, nav kept crapping itself. Was scanning for folks walking between cars and noted a cluster of dudes on the corner to my right. All staring. They "spontaneously" moved towards my vehicle as I was passing. Probably thought it was funny. I blipped the throttle, looked forward and f@#k, a stopped school bus to my left facing opposite. Dammit. Sure enough, got a cite in the mail, paid it. Nice pic of the vehicle and license plate. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 10:22:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Had a kid I went to middle school with killed by a school bus passer. Also have a 7 year old getting on and off the bus daily. Good citation. If someone blew the school bus stop arm at my daughters stop, I’d have a hard time not hopping in my car, running them down, and beating them to death.
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Posted: 10/16/2019 10:22:18 PM EDT
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My wife is a teacher and occasionally drives a bus, due to personnel shortages in her district. She absolutely loves driving a bus. Not for the extra pay, but being able to spend time with the kids. Our local sheriff department or the North Carolina Highway Patrol won't investigate someone running a school bus stop arm unless they witness it. She complains all the time, and every time they give the same reason why they can't do it. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 10:26:48 PM EDT
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I’m so happy that i dont work on school bus’s anymore.
Seriously, it was fun all the way up till i got bored of it a year and a half in. The next 7 years were mind numbing and soul sucking. Pay was decent though, i was probably one of the highest paid school district mechanics in the country |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 10:49:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It blows me away that a non-emergency vehicle is authorized to obstruct vehicle traffic on major arterial roads for the complete non-emergency purpose of off loading passengers at a pre-planned stop. If the children being offloaded are so young that there is a reasonable possibility they will inexplicably leave the sidewalk and charge into traffic they have no business departing a school bus on their own, absent direct adult supervision in the first place. It is not the job of society at large to protect your unsupervised children from motor vehicle hazards, it is your job to supervise your children properly, or the job of the school district adult in charge of them. This is an unpopular opinion in nanny state America, but I stand by it. I also think camera enforced traffic infractions are bullshit and traffic infractions not witnessed by a police officer should be considered dead in the water. In my state there are a ton of actual misdemeanor crimes I cannot make a custodial arrest for if they occur outside my presence, yet it's okay to install a camera at a red light and issue civil infraction tickets after the fact by follow up investigation? Bullshit.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 10:54:23 PM EDT
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Waste of site resources |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 10:57:17 PM EDT
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Mentally unstable people like you are why red flag laws are becoming more popular. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Had a kid I went to middle school with killed by a school bus passer. Also have a 7 year old getting on and off the bus daily. Good citation. If someone blew the school bus stop arm at my daughters stop, I’d have a hard time not hopping in my car, running them down, and beating them to death. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 11:01:48 PM EDT
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Eh, I normally don't applaud the jackbooted attention threads, but I'll give you this one.
Proceed with tazing him, bro. 
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Posted: 10/16/2019 11:06:06 PM EDT
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I thought douchebaggy psa threads were 40xbs job? Did he take the day off ? |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 11:17:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fun trivia question for GD: If someone has an identical twin will they have the same DNA and fingerprints? No googling |
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