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Quoted: Depends. GPS/mapping shows some surprisingly rough trails as "roads". Many legally are and a lot of them start out as tame dirt roads, getting progressively harder until you are in over your head and may not be able to turn back. View Quote Oh and doesn't he have a winch on his recovery vehicle? Must not be needed. |
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The Alpine Loop is all on stock base maps for my Garmin Nuvi.
I used a Jeep. |
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Utah looks awesome
I’m not going to comment because I did something stupid like that a few weeks ago Only was in a two wheel drive van with 19inch wheels |
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Jeeps don't tend to tow all that well...I sure as hell can't pull much in my Ruby
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The trail wasn't even all that difficult, for a Jeep. The 2WD Hyundai guy was an idjit. City people with cell phone map apps, LOL.
I didn't stay for the end. Did the tow driver say how much $ he charged? |
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This relates to how the San Rafael Swell is pronounced, "San Ruffell". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Did he take the Tucson out the way it came in originally or out via the "shortcut"?
Reason I ask is that I don't see the fella making it in, the way he went out... |
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I bet that the GPS navigation BS is going to lead to us finding a bunch of "lost and missing people" over the next few years, who all followed the GPS off of cliffs, into lakes, and down roads that haven't been roads since Teddy Roosevelt was President.
Neighbors run a pretty plush bed and breakfast. They have to warn every single one of their clients not to follow GPS mapping services to get here to town, because for some damn reason, you use their address, and the GPS wants to route you over a dirt road that's basically an unserviced death-trap in winter. Sure, it cuts off some ten miles of highway driving, but... They've gotten panicked calls from people who're on that road, stuck, and who had to hike back three miles through waist-deep snow to find cell service. It's a damn miracle nobody's been killed with that crap, and the irony is that the GPS mapping routes for our address and every other one nearby don't do that. Theirs, though? It does. They've talked to various people about it at the mapping services, and they all just shrug their heads and say it's a glitch. If you trust a GPS too far, it'll kill ya. We had a numbnuts O/C augmentee when I was down at the NTC, and he used his PLGR like it was gospel. Drove straight lines everywhere out on the flats, didn't use the roads. Late one night, we got a call, and had to go looking for him: He'd literally driven off a damn cliff into a wadi, following that GPS line instead of the road... According to the map, yeah, he should have been OK, but the map is not always the terrain. |
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Was there a Land Cruiser on standby in case the Jeep needed help?
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Google Maps would do that with a dirt road to my house in Virginia if they were coming westbound on US-60. We got a call several times from friends coming over for dinner for their first time. "Hey, I'm at a dead end on a dirt road, facing a forest, I haven't seen a house in 3 miles. Yeah, I was using Google Maps, why do you ask?" we got to the point where we told people "we'll email you directions; don't use Google Maps." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Insurance covers normal use, they will likely deny coverage for the renter. GPS/mapping shows some surprisingly rough trails as "roads". Many legally are and a lot of them start out as tame dirt roads, getting progressively harder until you are in over your head and may not be able to turn back. we got to the point where we told people "we'll email you directions; don't use Google Maps." We had to rescue my sister once when her GPS sent her off into the Talledega National Forest in Alabama on her way to a family reunion. She wound up on a pig trail in a Suburban with nowhere to turn around. We had to back that bus out for a couple of miles before we came to a spot big enough to turn it around. |
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I present to you, from the files of the FB group "Oregon Inlet Idiots": https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/21/16/27D1BFEF00000578-0-image-a-65_1429630745622.jpg View Quote He had just enough power left to roll the window down which through we pulled him out - he only had one leg so it was a challenge. He thought we were going to pull the truck out. I’m sure it was totaled. |
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Run it thru a car wash, zip tie up the dangly bits and turn it in.
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Saw a guy in a Rented Pathfinder high centered like a boss about 50 feet down the trail to the Green Sand beach in Kona. Rental guy said they go through jeeps and SUVs like mad on the island.
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LOL. Reminds me of a time a buddy and I were camped on Canaan Mountain. We were about 1/2 mile from the end of the FS road back there. The road continues after that, but it's owned by a paper company and not the FS, so it's 4WD only through there. Some guy in a minivan with wife and little kids drives by the camp. Usually people get to the end of the FS road, turn around and drive by the other direction within 10 mins or so. We're sitting there and I mention that that guy hasn't been back. Kind of shrugged and figured they went hiking on one of the trails back there. About an hour later guy comes dragging ass into camp, explains that he's hung up in a creek crossing and asks if I could go back for his wife and kids. Along the way we stop and he picks up various pieces of the minivan laying along the trail. Eventually I get stopped by some big tree limbs that my truck won't fit under without dragging out the chainsaw, so we park and walk the last 1/4 mile to the creek where we find the minivan piled up on some rocks. That's where it died when he let the magic smoke out of it. I gave the guy an A for effort as he almost made it. His only explanation was that the map showed it as a "road", which was true. ETA, this is where he took the minivan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWI7b4XQaSM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEKfGUwmzjo View Quote |
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The off center tow rope was a serious problem, is there a reason they don't rig a v-bridle?
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The off center tow rope was a serious problem, is there a reason they don't rig a v-bridle? View Quote |
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On a Tuscan? They were lucky to have ANY tow point. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The off center tow rope was a serious problem, is there a reason they don't rig a v-bridle? They were lucky to have ANY tow point. There is one on the front and some have another on the rear. That's it for two points.....unless you want to hook up to the suspension. |
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A sister owns a Highlander
We were doing a hike and ran across a line of Rubicons. I commented "Rubicon Rubicon Rubicon Highlander Rubicon Rubicon..." |
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Tow Truck Driver: "When I was in High School I drove a 1964 Rambler 440 down here-"
Former 660 Classic owner checking in! |
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Make sure you have lots of video evidence posted on the internet before you make a claim on insurance.
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I have been assured by numerous arfcomers that 4WD is unnecessary and it's the drivers skill that is all that matters. View Quote The difference in the drivers is 80-90% and the vehicles 10-20% IMHO. |
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Awesome area. I live near there. Toquerville Falls is on my list of places to explore.
I have a Polaris Turbo S RZR that we've been exploring this area with since we moved here last year. It's amazing all the people I see (especially old people) who I see bouncing down some of these trails on stock Buicks and Honda Pilot's, etc. |
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Damage wavers state no coverage off PAVED roads. Oh and doesn't he have a winch on his recovery vehicle? Must not be needed. View Quote The 12 horse power Warn motor can't complete with the hundreds of horse under the hood. |
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Quoted: Depends. GPS/mapping shows some surprisingly rough trails as "roads". Many legally are and a lot of them start out as tame dirt roads, getting progressively harder until you are in over your head and may not be able to turn back. View Quote |
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Couple of thoughts. A cousin of mine had a job for someone, either a university or the government counting some animals or something, they were told the rental agreement cover any road that had a number, but no off-roading. This also reminds me of this story The death valley Germans. You would be surprised where you can go with balls and a careful line, but then there's foolish. Pretty clear by the looks of that road and the clearance of that car where this fits.
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... wonder how much that recovery cost Mr. Tucson View Quote If I was in that business, I would tell anyone that called me that they needed to pay in advance just for the cost of me to drive to them and give them the estimate for the tow out. And none of it would be cheap. |
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If I was in that business it would be $500 to answer the phone.
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Quoted: Rental 4x4s are even better. We always rent 4x4 Jeeps when we go to Hawaii. They are, umm, fun. And no, I don't abuse them, just use as designed. View Quote Some of the beach access roads were more challenging actually. |
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Thought I had seen it all with this diesel Excursion. To get to this point they had gone through 7 miles of trail at least that bad. Twisted his front drive shaft off in this mud hole. Took two jeeps and three ATVs to pull him out of the hole. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/857/8A782769-54C8-404C-BC4D-FE9C4F2323F5_jpeg-1124782.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/857/6BEBB7B3-57D1-4BFC-A124-9ADC72E874A7_jpeg-1124784.JPG View Quote |
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