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Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot:
I assume you could create a group print here, to get what you need printed and shipped to you by ARF members. (print about 30% extra, so you can throw away the poorer quality ones that you receive) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot:
Originally Posted By guns762:
Update 9/23 We got our first nose cone, and found a nice surprise. It will work for both our SpaceX Starship, and Marvin's rocket. We just need to add a spire for the front and use a second for the rear. Print time was 4hrs. We found the tractor treads would need to number about 330? Or something rediculous like that. That is obviously not possible for our 3D printers so we will probably have to reevaluate our approach. https://i.imgur.com/ld68rjI.jpg We have a new direction on Marvin's head. We are going to carve out the center and add a smaller sphere inside. The rest of the work today was more shelf texture, and wall painting, so not very exciting. I also had a few key players gone today, antelope hunting. https://i.imgur.com/cKG60l5.jpg https://i.imgur.com/DVPJZrA.jpg (print about 30% extra, so you can throw away the poorer quality ones that you receive) |
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Originally Posted By redoubt:
Maybe cast them in silicone. Then they'd be flexible and easy to link. I don't know about the weight though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By redoubt:
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Update 9/23 We found the tractor treads would need to number about 330? Or something rediculous like that. That is obviously not possible for our 3D printers so we will probably have to reevaluate our approach. Should be light! We might install wire in them, so they are easier to pull out. |
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Originally Posted By guns762:
I'm not sure how the foam will go, but we will soon find out. Should be light! We might install wire in them, so they are easier to pull out. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By guns762:
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Originally Posted By guns762:
Update 9/23 We found the tractor treads would need to number about 330? Or something rediculous like that. That is obviously not possible for our 3D printers so we will probably have to reevaluate our approach. Should be light! We might install wire in them, so they are easier to pull out. https://smile.amazon.com/Model-Pro-Casting-Gallon-Kit-Polyurethane/dp/B007271IQY Model-Pro Polyurethane Casting Resin Liquid Plastic for Making Models and Crafts - 1 Gallon Kit There's a bunch of places selling various casting materials, I don't know what sort of size it will be, what weight it will need to support/stresses/fragility, etc. So that is the least dense 'general purpose' resin I found, and they don't have it on Prime, but it doesn't loo cheap, $30/ quart in quart kits, $67 for the gallon kit. |
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Originally Posted By guns762: I'm not sure how the foam will go, but we will soon find out. Should be light! We might install wire in them, so they are easier to pull out. View Quote |
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"Now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb." -Dark Helmet
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"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats."--H.L. Mencken
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simple sanding...
or cover it in bondo ... let dry ... and less sanding... should do it. |
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"Never attribute to malice that which can be ascribed to sheer stupidity." LTC (CENTCOM)
"Round is a shape, right? I have the body of a god...Just happens to be Buddah! Az_Redneck |
Maybe a release agent like this:
https://www.smooth-on.com/products/ease-release-2831/ |
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Bravery will take you into the most dangerous of places. Overwhelming firepower will see you safely through them. ~ The Book of Cataclysm
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Originally Posted By guns762:
Update 9/25 I've got a student ready to experiment with the casting. Maybe tomorrow. The Starship nose cone is now shaped to fit in the corner. We also began skinning the bottom portion of the cone. https://i.imgur.com/8IFFMpG.jpg Marvins rocket is progressing well. We have the a Vortex spotting scope mount assembled. https://i.imgur.com/eLzIPFY.jpg The wall mount also is compete and we began skinning the back end, although this will need to be reworked a bit. https://i.imgur.com/bhr1kLT.jpg View Quote Awesome support from the company, only thing that tops it would be something like the President writing you a letter. |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
"I follow the steps the Founders did. Play peacefully until I can't. But as I'm peaceful, I prepare for conflict. " --Maimi_JBT |
Why does Starship only have 2 rear fins?! |
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"Never attribute to malice that which can be ascribed to sheer stupidity." LTC (CENTCOM)
"Round is a shape, right? I have the body of a god...Just happens to be Buddah! Az_Redneck |
"I do believe that some gun laws are needed and yes, I am a Republican" ~ tc556guy - NRA Member
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We got a very nice letter from Jo Ann in Florida last night. She follows along here on ARFCOM. It contained a check for $150!
Thank you Jo Ann! |
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"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats."--H.L. Mencken
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Is it just me, or does Spaceship look like it was built by Sukhoi rather than SpaceX? Those wrinkles. Wow. Looks like your kids can do a better job than they did, Guns.
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Kick Ass.
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It's nice to see the Football coach is part of this project. But how do the football players feel about running around the holes in the field??
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Originally Posted By EBR666:
It's nice to see the Football coach is part of this project. But how do the football players feel about running around the holes in the field?? EBR View Quote We acquired extra turf two years ago from the field-house storage. We used a big piece under our Unicorn display at State Art. |
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"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats."--H.L. Mencken
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"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats."--H.L. Mencken
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Originally Posted By guns762:
Update 9/27.2 "Marvin" is going elk hunting this weekend. Our Marvin isn't quite finished, but students brought in a surrogate to spot and guide one of our students on this weekends elk hunt. He promised me they would both come back in one piece with lots of pictures. https://i.imgur.com/i6pwSnw.jpg View Quote |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
"I follow the steps the Founders did. Play peacefully until I can't. But as I'm peaceful, I prepare for conflict. " --Maimi_JBT |
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats."--H.L. Mencken
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The belt sander technique.
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"Now, remember, kids, if you go to barber college, you can stand and do this every day for 30 years. Sometimes the hair will be just as green, sometimes, not."
Nice to see the progress. (Did Marvin get his elk yet?) |
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Originally Posted By Mak_380:
"Now, remember, kids, if you go to barber college, you can stand and do this every day for 30 years. Sometimes the hair will be just as green, sometimes, not." Nice to see the progress. (Did Marvin get his elk yet?) View Quote The week of the 15th and Nov 1st will be equally possessive of my students, due to seasons opening. |
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"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats."--H.L. Mencken
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Originally Posted By guns762:
Marvin and his hunter are still in elk camp this morning. I think they might be there all week. I've got a whole bunch of elk hunters gone today. The week of the 15th and Nov 1st will be equally possessive of my students, due to seasons opening. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By guns762:
Originally Posted By Mak_380:
"Now, remember, kids, if you go to barber college, you can stand and do this every day for 30 years. Sometimes the hair will be just as green, sometimes, not." Nice to see the progress. (Did Marvin get his elk yet?) The week of the 15th and Nov 1st will be equally possessive of my students, due to seasons opening. |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
"I follow the steps the Founders did. Play peacefully until I can't. But as I'm peaceful, I prepare for conflict. " --Maimi_JBT |
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Originally Posted By notanotheratf:
Yo, whenever a chick wants new boobs-- it's a sign she's wanting to get back on the market. Just saying. Those things are used as either bait or food.. |
Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad:
You could film students doing Mars colonist tasks on a simple full scale set and mount old smartphones/tablets inside of large to mid scale models to populate them with live action video. This would be similar to a technique used in many pre-CGI movies of mounting a rear-projection screen inside a miniature, such as the distant shots of Kirk and Scotty in the spacepod in Star Trek The Motion Picture, see 3:42 and 6:09: View Quote Subbed, in, looking forward to the journey! Also, still reading through, what happened to the unicorn? |
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Feminism or Cancer? My mom had cancer, and it's treatable. But my dad always says, "You can't fix stupid."
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Kick Ass.
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Kick Ass.
Take Names. Repeat As Necessary. |
Originally Posted By kpel308:
@Guns762 Just in case he didn't have one, I used your ARFCOM email to get him one using the Powell, WY ZIP code. Here it is: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1232/BoardingPass_MyNameOnMars2020__1_-1108149.png (Only did it as the deadline is just a few hours from now. No, I did not sign you up for gay Martian porn. ) View Quote Thank you!!! I'll print these, and we will try to find a spot for it. |
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Originally Posted By guns762:
Update 9/30 Well, if Marvin has a 2020 boarding pass, we better get his rocket done. https://i.imgur.com/Xqy45DB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/mL5Prox.jpg Future in fencing? https://i.imgur.com/eWgrAUj.jpg We gave up trying to center the tail without a center rod. It just wasn't happening. https://i.imgur.com/eKh2Klq.jpg https://i.imgur.com/jPQ62gO.jpg Tomorrow we will sand the bondo a bit and fit it a bit better. https://i.imgur.com/dzeMDsl.jpg More work on the SpaceX Starship nose cone. https://i.imgur.com/Q4Tt8jz.jpg Top of the booster portion is also getting detailed. https://i.imgur.com/myERfMb.jpg https://i.imgur.com/N8PM2KC.jpg Fitting an envirodome to the Martian top shelf. https://i.imgur.com/gFjEeUy.jpg Our barley field is getting closer to the correct size. Students want a "Mars Barley" brand name/logo for the grain silos. https://i.imgur.com/5d9Ef3I.jpg I told our Earth clock artist we needed a bit of cleaning up Florida and the Baja peninsula or there would be some angry Floridians. https://i.imgur.com/g5eqLN1.jpg View Quote Save yourself HOURS with one of these: Right after the putty "kicks" (usually 15-20 minutes), you use a "cheese grater" style wood rasp (or an actual cheese grater, your preference), or knife, to to the BULK of the removal. It's a rock after a day and sanding will be extremely dusty and laborious. It can never be applied perfectly smoothly, but if you hit it with the rasp in the state where it just starts getting warm, + 30 seconds (as soon as fingernail doesn't leave a mark, do that test on an area that's bulging out), Then go at it with the cheese grater / drywall rasp, whatever your word for it is. Doesn't clog up the grater as it snaps right out of it when cured, and you're only there 5 minutes and done. I suppose I should have posted this advice earlier, well, I did (in a previous year), but I mean, in this thread. --ETA: BONUS PART of this method: You don't have to worry about "putting too much on since you have to sand it off". That method usually leaves low spots which need another coat then, while doing it quickly with a bit extra, and sloppy, works out great when you can cut it off to smooth as easily as half dried modeling clay. --ETA2: When I say "Thicker" that's relative. Never put more than 1/8" to 3/16" (post sanding) down in one go, it'll cure, shrink, and crack after a few months (but look good for the first couple). So "Lay it on thick" means an extra 1/16" or so, and that's really hard on a compound curve that has no "up/down" as it's 360° coverage, it'll sag in some area. So, try to keep it under 1/4-3/8" pre-cheese grater. You'd be insane to go 1/4" if sanding it off after a day (post full cure). |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
"I follow the steps the Founders did. Play peacefully until I can't. But as I'm peaceful, I prepare for conflict. " --Maimi_JBT |
Bud beat us to it? ??? https://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2017/11/budweiser-to-send-barley-into-space/ As part of its commitment to be first beer on Mars, Budweiser will send barley into space next month in order to study how one of beer’s key ingredients responds to microgravity environments. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By brass: @guns762 NOOO!!! Save yourself HOURS with one of these: https://i.imgur.com/iAJPrcI.jpg Right after the putty "kicks" (usually 15-20 minutes), you use a "cheese grater" style wood rasp (or an actual cheese grater, your preference), or knife, to to the BULK of the removal. It's a rock after a day and sanding will be extremely dusty and laborious. It can never be applied perfectly smoothly, but if you hit it with the rasp in the state where it just starts getting warm, + 30 seconds (as soon as fingernail doesn't leave a mark, do that test on an area that's bulging out), Then go at it with the cheese grater / drywall rasp, whatever your word for it is. Doesn't clog up the grater as it snaps right out of it when cured, and you're only there 5 minutes and done. I suppose I should have posted this advice earlier, well, I did (in a previous year), but I mean, in this thread. --ETA: BONUS PART of this method: You don't have to worry about "putting too much on since you have to sand it off". That method usually leaves low spots which need another coat then, while doing it quickly with a bit extra, and sloppy, works out great when you can cut it off to smooth as easily as half dried modeling clay. View Quote We have a couple of large wood/horse rasps. I think the student did a decent enough job with his carding that we can get it pretty decent with a bit of sanding. We also have a belt sander. |
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Loving the progress!
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Originally Posted By guns762:
We've learned this with taxidermy. We have a couple of large wood/horse rasps. I think the student did a decent enough job with his carding that we can get it pretty decent with a bit of sanding. We also have a belt sander. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By guns762:
Originally Posted By brass: @guns762 NOOO!!! Save yourself HOURS with one of these: https://i.imgur.com/iAJPrcI.jpg Right after the putty "kicks" (usually 15-20 minutes), you use a "cheese grater" style wood rasp (or an actual cheese grater, your preference), or knife, to to the BULK of the removal. It's a rock after a day and sanding will be extremely dusty and laborious. It can never be applied perfectly smoothly, but if you hit it with the rasp in the state where it just starts getting warm, + 30 seconds (as soon as fingernail doesn't leave a mark, do that test on an area that's bulging out), Then go at it with the cheese grater / drywall rasp, whatever your word for it is. Doesn't clog up the grater as it snaps right out of it when cured, and you're only there 5 minutes and done. I suppose I should have posted this advice earlier, well, I did (in a previous year), but I mean, in this thread. --ETA: BONUS PART of this method: You don't have to worry about "putting too much on since you have to sand it off". That method usually leaves low spots which need another coat then, while doing it quickly with a bit extra, and sloppy, works out great when you can cut it off to smooth as easily as half dried modeling clay. We have a couple of large wood/horse rasps. I think the student did a decent enough job with his carding that we can get it pretty decent with a bit of sanding. We also have a belt sander. |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
"I follow the steps the Founders did. Play peacefully until I can't. But as I'm peaceful, I prepare for conflict. " --Maimi_JBT |
Originally Posted By brass:
Well, power sanders do change things drastically, however, - Do it in the painting area with a vacuum under the sander. That stuff makes super fine particles that hang in the air for weeks and may not be the best to breathe in, but the dust sure does mess up fresh paint jobs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By brass:
Originally Posted By guns762:
Originally Posted By brass: @guns762 NOOO!!! Save yourself HOURS with one of these: https://i.imgur.com/iAJPrcI.jpg Right after the putty "kicks" (usually 15-20 minutes), you use a "cheese grater" style wood rasp (or an actual cheese grater, your preference), or knife, to to the BULK of the removal. It's a rock after a day and sanding will be extremely dusty and laborious. It can never be applied perfectly smoothly, but if you hit it with the rasp in the state where it just starts getting warm, + 30 seconds (as soon as fingernail doesn't leave a mark, do that test on an area that's bulging out), Then go at it with the cheese grater / drywall rasp, whatever your word for it is. Doesn't clog up the grater as it snaps right out of it when cured, and you're only there 5 minutes and done. I suppose I should have posted this advice earlier, well, I did (in a previous year), but I mean, in this thread. --ETA: BONUS PART of this method: You don't have to worry about "putting too much on since you have to sand it off". That method usually leaves low spots which need another coat then, while doing it quickly with a bit extra, and sloppy, works out great when you can cut it off to smooth as easily as half dried modeling clay. We have a couple of large wood/horse rasps. I think the student did a decent enough job with his carding that we can get it pretty decent with a bit of sanding. We also have a belt sander. |
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Great to hear he got a boarding pass
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Originally Posted By notanotheratf:
Yo, whenever a chick wants new boobs-- it's a sign she's wanting to get back on the market. Just saying. Those things are used as either bait or food.. |
Originally Posted By guns762:
Update 10/2 Design work on our futuristic John Deere is still going slowly, but the cab is starting to take shape. It will replace the front end of the design on the left. https://i.imgur.com/Ec3blW1.jpg The details for the top of the booster are looking pretty good. Students are studying the concept drawings of SpaceX Heavy boosters, but they seem to change... a lot. https://i.imgur.com/1eqtyYs.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Dvu9Q47.jpg I'm very proud of how this student has worked the problem with creating Marvin's helmet. It's coming out very nicely. He's got the visor and helmet trim to finish. https://i.imgur.com/sEXuAJj.jpg Marvins rocket is also getting close to being fully skinned. We are waiting on the nose cone, spire, and ball. One more thing layer of bondo this morning, and the tail should be ready for fins. https://i.imgur.com/m0o3qL6.jpg View Quote Looks like it feathered out perfectly on the nose, could do the entire cone to eliminate the 3D printing resolution lines as well. |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
"I follow the steps the Founders did. Play peacefully until I can't. But as I'm peaceful, I prepare for conflict. " --Maimi_JBT |
Originally Posted By brass:
If you wanted to put the bondo on thicker, such as to mould shapes, get the fiberglass reinforced stuff, but that IS bad to breathe the dust in from. The glaze your using there is talc based, while the fiberglass reinforced can be put on quite a bit thicker, it also leaves the fine dust of floating galss particles when sanded, and isn't as easy to whack off with a cheese grater mid-cure (though it still can be). Usually needs the glaze/fine stuff on top anyway (stuff you're using now) on top of it since the fiberglass doesn't sand perfectly smooth all the time. Looks like it feathered out perfectly on the nose, could do the entire cone to eliminate the 3D printing resolution lines as well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By brass:
Originally Posted By guns762:
Update 10/2 Design work on our futuristic John Deere is still going slowly, but the cab is starting to take shape. It will replace the front end of the design on the left. https://i.imgur.com/Ec3blW1.jpg The details for the top of the booster are looking pretty good. Students are studying the concept drawings of SpaceX Heavy boosters, but they seem to change... a lot. https://i.imgur.com/1eqtyYs.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Dvu9Q47.jpg I'm very proud of how this student has worked the problem with creating Marvin's helmet. It's coming out very nicely. He's got the visor and helmet trim to finish. https://i.imgur.com/sEXuAJj.jpg Marvins rocket is also getting close to being fully skinned. We are waiting on the nose cone, spire, and ball. One more thing layer of bondo this morning, and the tail should be ready for fins. https://i.imgur.com/m0o3qL6.jpg Looks like it feathered out perfectly on the nose, could do the entire cone to eliminate the 3D printing resolution lines as well. |
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Originally Posted By guns762:
Good to know. We e got a can of the fiberglass stuff too. Not sure we will do the 3D printed area. I think we would end up making more of a mess than fixing it. View Quote Is there a storyboard or other general layout you are working from? Pics? |
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Originally Posted By guns762:
Good to know. We e got a can of the fiberglass stuff too. Not sure we will do the 3D printed area. I think we would end up making more of a mess than fixing it. View Quote Super Smooth Prints // Acetone Vapor Bath |
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Originally Posted By JoseCuervo:
Maybe just sand the ridges down a bit. Paint only covers so much, but lots of primer coats and light sanding might just do it. Is there a storyboard or other general layout you are working from? Pics? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JoseCuervo:
Originally Posted By guns762:
Good to know. We e got a can of the fiberglass stuff too. Not sure we will do the 3D printed area. I think we would end up making more of a mess than fixing it. Is there a storyboard or other general layout you are working from? Pics? |
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"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats."--H.L. Mencken
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Originally Posted By kpel308:
For the 3D printed nose cone, have you thought of using the acetone vapor method? It works with ABS. I may have missed what material you are actually using. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyoefQ4k4BA View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By kpel308:
Originally Posted By guns762:
Good to know. We e got a can of the fiberglass stuff too. Not sure we will do the 3D printed area. I think we would end up making more of a mess than fixing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyoefQ4k4BA |
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"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats."--H.L. Mencken
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New Deere prototype driverless tractor was released a week ago.
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Originally Posted By StealthM8:
New Deere prototype driverless tractor was released a week ago. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/215362/JDdriverless1_jpg-1110815.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/215362/JDdriverless4edited_jpg-1110817.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/215362/JDdriverless6_jpg-1110816.JPG View Quote We will probably have to create the tread another way. We have a couple ideas, but the simple design on a traditional tractor tire, or like on the belts in those pictures, is probably pretty easy for us to create. |
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Annoying, yet funny points from yesterday......
We have students rounding up the red dirt from the Ten Sleep Formation areas around our county and adjoining counties. To get it, it's about 30 miles from school. Well, a student made the trip Tues night to get several bucket fulls. When he brought it in yesterday morning, he managed to track red mud everywhere (it was snowing). Mars was all over the carpeted entry ways and down the hall. Then, after each class got done working with the dirt yesterday, it was all over the classroom floors. They would sweep and sweep, but that stuff, just powders and spreads. Mars is everywhere. |
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