I love all of this boohooing and hand wringing about Trump’s conduct whilst the Dem party has been lower than that for a long fucking time and steadily and rapidly getting worse.

Funny how the Never Trumpers never gave one fuck about Obama’s bullshit while in office.

Well, more of an ideological war...for now at least.

Money does not  by class.

Great news from @Ford! They are investing nearly $1 BILLION in Flat Rock, Michigan for auto production on top of a $1 BILLION investment last month in a facility outside of Chicago. Companies are pouring back into the United States - they want to be where the action is!

Donald J. Trump  (@realDonaldTrump) March 20, 2019

In before the "We have no clue what he's talking about" statement from Ford.  

Another one just rolled off the assembly line

Well he was, and he got the ever loving shit kicked out of him for like what? 3, 4 years?

I wouldn’t go as fas as call him a hero (to me heroes are the ones coming home in a box), but at least have SOME fucking respect. With that, no I don’t agree that the dotard should run his mouth like a premenstrual 14 year old.

Touche, good Sir.

I voted for Trump, and will again. Even though I know he imported illegal immigrants to work his hotels and properties...

Even though I know he is lying through his teeth...

Trump had called for, "Red Flag Laws," prior to Parkland...

Trump has consistently called for more gun restrictions after shootings going-back a long, long ways...

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Trumps criminalization of bupstock possession set-in-stone the pathway to the next AWB that bypasses congress.

Trump could have criminalized manufacture or sale. Trump could have included grandfathering language.

Trump criminalized possession.

And his use of his, "emergency," Executive Powers to do it set a tremendous pathway into stone...

Trump attacks his own party members. Trump did it as a principle of his campaign. Trump attacks his own, then blames them when he fails.

No one --but Trump-- promised a, "deportation force." No one --but Trump-- promised, "Mexico will pay for it."

Trump --no one else-- gave Hillary immunity the day after he was elected President. No one but Trump did that...

Then, when Trump didn't keep his promise, Trump blamed the people he attacked...

Trump gave massive legal protections to illegal immigrants. Trump gave legal protections to illegal immigrants in exchange for a relatively short amount of, "bollard fencing." Trump calls that a, "deal."

Trumps, "take the guns first," puppets call that, "winning."

I will concede that point...



A quick google search will show that, "bollard fencing," is getting built in a relatively short area in Texas...

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Who's asking you to abandon support for him?

Fact is we've been painted into a shitty situation by low information voters where we're stuck either voting for Trump again, since no intelligent Conservative will attempt to primary a sitting President from their own party, or facing President Harris/Castro/O'Rourke.

I just don't expect anyone to be anything other than intellectually honest about what Trump is when they're forced to vote for him again. Something some folks find challenging.

You're setting up a strawman to try to knock down.

I just said I think most all of the "collusion" story is bunk and you won't find a single post on here of me ever believing it. But again, I'll reiterate, I think the extent of Trump's involvement with Russia was dealing with his private businesses, not really anything political except in the sense of the potential FCPA violation of promising prime real estate in a potential Trump Tower in Moscow to Putin to make it happen. That much was quite public information.

Like what?

Locking her up?

Getting rid of Obamacare?

Forming Second Amendment Coalitions?

Building a wall?

Eliminating the national debt in 8 years?

He invalidated some Obama Executive Actions that the next Dem will just reinstate.

Trump had no problem declaring a border emergency at the stroke of a pen just now. Why wasn't it an emergency when he took office?

Trump is the effective head of the Republican party. What actions has he taken to steer the party to achieve his desired agenda?

Savage Tweets don't count.

Who was being hurt by the shutdown with EBT payments not getting sent out? Hint: It wasn't people that vote Republican.

Anything any Republican does is, of course, going to be used against you. Every Republican that voluntarily entered the race knows this.

Compromise implies we get something in return, what did we get besides a way for millions of illegals to remain in the US?

Someone slept through civics class.

If the Congress is unwilling to protect the nation's interests, it's up to the electorate to not vote for Democrats or +90% of incumbents for Congress. Not the President to decide he knows what's best for the nation and take action on their own.

Seeing as how the 2016 primaries and the 2018 midterms turned out, I'd say our nation's best interest aren't high on the list of electorate priorities.

If so, how long should it have taken Trump to realize it wasn't working?

Why did Trump's very first veto just happen if he wasn't previously getting his agenda he wanted over the last 2 years?

Why would he compromise with the swamp when he campaigned on draining it?

I have no doubt that Cruz's knowledge of the workings of government would give him more of an edge in advancing an agenda (one lacking any sort of gun control I'm sure) than a Donald Trump that's busy still learning how to do what Cruz would already know what to do.

You're kind of all over the map here so I'm not sure how to respond.

How many incumbent swamp creatures faced primary opponents before the midterms and how many of those primary opponents did Trump support?

Because that's what someone doing what you're claiming would do.

If Trump did such a great job of this, why was the House such a massive slaughter in 2018?

Wisconsin, a swing state that elected Scott Walker governor, that Cruz won the primary of, and Trump won the general of got a Dem governor that has just given illegals driver's licenses and IDs which will, no doubt, be used to commit voter fraud.

Michigan, another swing state Trump needs, massively flipped D on the state level.

The Texas House of Reps now less than 10 members away from being under Dem control after all of their house seats were up for election in 2018.

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What was Trump doing to shore up and continue advancing Republican wins that had been happening prior?

Nonsense.



Well, we're definitely getting it.

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." - H. L. Mencken

Once again, the midterms did an excellent job demonstrating that.

Because no one knew what type of people John McCain, John Boehner, Paul Ryan, and Mitch McConnell were before Trump came along and pulled the scales from our eyes!

That must have been why Trump donated as much money as he did to John McCain, Mitch McConnell, and Lindsay Graham as he did before he became President...

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Exactly.

If he had gotten stuff actually done, instead of endless talk, it'd be worth it.

This is the worst possible scenario where no major conservative policy gets passed, he riles the Dems into a unstoppable electoral juggernaut, and makes the GOP radioactive for the next thousand years.

It's lose, lose, lose.

I'm sure Kamala will appreciate your vote

No shit. They've allied themselves with the kookiest of the kooks, all because of their TDS

He never should have been appointed

Is that a requirement to run for President? Where is that written?

He sure has found a bunch of criminals surrounding Trump. Seems the appointment was a good call.

Draining the swamp.

Does division and constant nevertrumpering help us or hurt us?

Just bunk, because they haven't found anything?

Or was what they did criminal, traitorous?

Do you think the President is a dictatorship?

He has done what he could on most of those issues. Republicans are the reason why he hasn't been able to do those things. REPUBLICANS

There's a list of Trump's accomplishments floating around its long.

Because he had to exhaust the conventional process before it could be justified and hold up in a court of law when he is inevitably challenged.

He is not the head of the Republican party, he is the President who ran as a republican. There is a difference. The party does not follow him, they did not support him.

They want to see him fail, and consequently America fail.

They do count. Public opinion is more important than anything else, public opinion is votes.

You think only democrats were affected by the shutdown?

How about people who don't even vote?

You think if Trump let it get to the point of riots the democrats would cave? Lol no they would be happy at that situation.

We got congress to put it in writing and vote on the border and immigration being a national issue that needs to be addressed. That building a wall has a functional purpose and is ok to build. Despite them trying to limit it monetarily.

They can't successfully argue in court against the wall itself now. As they have authorized it. They can only argue against Trump using the NEA to divert funds to adequately fund building it.

The law is on his side for that too. They gave him that power, and it easily meets the NE requirements. Especially when you consider what it's been used for in the past.

Wrong. The NEA gives him power to address this issue with funding to secure our border from the invasion. It's a basic responsibility.

People voted for Trump because they wanted someone who was going to fight for them, and also for someone who had a chance of winning against Hillary.

Midterms always go that way, and you think maybe the Republicans sandbagged themselves?

Because they weren't doing their jobs.

Because he can't kill them. So therefor he has to work with them to do anything, unfortunately they hold the power.

Are we sure Cruz would have? How much has he got done in congress? He is in congress right? So really he is already in a position to further his agenda. He doesn't need to be president to accomplish anything.

I don't see Trump vetoing anything on Cruz's agenda that he is able to get congress to pass.

Republicans gave up to hurt Trump. Democrats more energized. Voter fraud.

Do you think Republicans would have had better turn out, if they did their job when they were in control instead of sandbagging? They didn't give people much reason to vote for them did they?

He campaigned for Republicans.

A lot of people didn't know, and still don't know the realities of our country and government.

Just look at the people on here of all places that defend swampers and attack Trump.

Red pilling is a continuing effort.

I don't care who he donated to before becoming President.

I'm sure he made mistakes in some of who he supported and who he thought they were.

Trump giving Hillary immunity the day after the election did not help us...

It did not help Trump, either, as putting her in Prison was a formal, and often-repeated campaign promise. "LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP!"

Trump criminalized gun parts possession criminalizing bumpstocks by executive fiat.

Trump most-certainly acted like a dictator in criminalizing bumpstock possession...

Republicans were trying to prevent Trump from forcing a shut-down over Trumps short amount of bollard fencing at the border.

Republicans were trying to prevent the absolute disaster Trump was fomenting...

It kept getting worse and worse for Republicans the more Trump kept digging-in to get his small amount of bollard fencing.

Republicans tried to prevent that from happening. Trump kept egging it on, and Trump kept promising illegal immigrants more and more benefits the longer the shut-down went.

In the end, Trumps (he calls it a) "deal," was a disaster for Republicans. And Republicans were trying to stop it all along.

Trump caused the disasterous, "amnesty for a short fence," deal. Democrats won big time. All because Trump is a horrible, horrible negotiator.

Trump --no other Republican-- promised a, "border wall." Trump --no other Republican-- formally imported illegal immigrants to work at his hotels and properties...

Yeah, Mexico is paying for Trumps short, "bollard fence," at the border?

Hillary is in Prison?

Gun rights are increasing?

The list is fake news.

Democrats will say that the, "conventional process," for restricting magazine capacity has been, "exhausted," after the next (pray it does not happen), "national emergency."

Trump set-in-stone all the precedence they will ever need to enact an AWB without congress.

All an AWB is is a, 'features," ban and Trump has proven that it can be done...

Trump promised to start his Mexico-funded, "border wall," the day he got elected. Trumps short bollard fence (in exchange for legal protections to illegals) is ***NOT*** Trump keeping his campaign promise...

Reagan was the head of the Republican Party... The entire Party looked to him for leadership and support.

Reagan said, "Never, ever attack a fellow Republican."

I hope Trumps, "take the guns first," anti-gun initiatives fail. But I worry his DOJ and courts will support his anti-gun initiatives.

Trump got his crap pushed-in during the shut-down.

Trump was caving left and right to the Democrats in the shut-down.

The deal Trump signed giving long-term legal protections to illegals for a short amount of bollard fencing in Texas... Was a worse deal than the deal Trump refused to cause the Schumer-Pelosi shut-down.

Schumer and Pelosi won the shut-down by a country-mile. That is not to be celebrated. Trump is a  horrible negotiator.

Stop calling Trumps, "bollard fence," a, "wall."

Congress put in, "writing," that the fence can only go where the local governments allow it to go... And the local governments are... Democrats.

Trump signed-into-law that the fence can only go in a relatively small area in Texas, and gave veto-power over the location and placement of the wall to the local (Democrat-controlled) governments.

Trump did not get his, "wall." He got a short amount of, "bollard fencing." In exchange for illegal immigrants getting long-term legal protections... Amnesty.

Trump lied to get elected...

Trumps election was pants-on-fire lie after pants-on-fire lie.

Trump has no plans for a, "pro-gun commission." And there never, ever was any plans for such a commission.

He endorsed Romney for the Senate, --lol, rofl-- without Romney asking for it.

Is that what you are talking about?

Or are you saying that Trump campaigned for Mia Love, because he didn't. Her seat went to a hardcore anti-gun, open-borders Democrat.

Trump campaigned against Republicans as much as he campaigned for them. And in some cases he was told to stay away, as his image would hurt the race...

Trump is a swamp-monster... Trumps former staff going to prison say the same thing: Trump is part of the problem.

Who he donated to before becoming President is a big deal, when you are claiming to be from outside the swamp.

His donation history proves he is deeply embedded... ***INSIDE*** the swamp...

Mueller's report is meaningless and he shouldn't be writing one because he was appointed on fake made up allegations.

Mcshitcain is a dishonorable shitbag who contributed aid and comfort to Democrats when he voted No on obamacare repeal and "discharged that obligation" of passing the Russian dossier around to get Trump investigated after becoming President.

"I discharged that obligation, and I would do it again. Anyone who doesn't like it can go to hell."-John McCain before Cancer ate his brain.

That fucktard is burning alive I bet.

Firstly, I don't think you know what the definition of "never" means.

Secondly, does abandoning Constitutional principles and refusing to hold politicians accountable help us or hurt us?

Those were all things he actively campaigned on and he did?

“I don’t want to hurt the Clintons, I really don’t. She went through a lot and suffered greatly in many different ways, and I am not looking to hurt them at all. The campaign was vicious.”

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I've seen it and it's filled with a lot of fluff and a lot of stuff that, as I said, is easily wiped away by the next Dem as though it never happened.

Exhaust the conventional process? That's not how national emergencies work... They're either emergencies or they aren't.

Here's something suitable for 3rd graders... Seven Roles for One President

6. Chief of Party
In this role, the president helps members of his or her political party get elected or appointed to office. The president campaigns for those members who have supported his or her policies. At the end of a term, the president may campaign for reelection.

Examples of Responsibilities:

Choosing leading party members to serve in the Cabinet
Traveling to California to speak at a rally for a party nominee to the U.S. Senate

How was the shutdown hurting Republicans?

So we got words on paper...

What if I told you the NEA was actually an unconstitutional abdication of power by Congress.


Midterms may result in losses of Congressional seats for the party of the sitting President but 2018 was the worst by a Republican President going back to Ford:

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And that doesn't explain the massive state level setbacks that were suffered.


Well, no shit. So why didn't the President shut down everything they wanted until he got what he wanted?

That's how checks and balances work.

See above.

And again, why wasn't Trump working to support primary opponents of swamp creatures?

Are you seriously trying to equate the legislative influence of a single Senator to the sitting President?

You're telling me, politicians in the Texas house gave up to hurt Trump politically?

If the Republicans weren't doing their jobs, why wasn't Trump putting pressure on them to do it? Again, why wasn't Trump vetoing things left and right that Congress wanted if they weren't giving Trump things he wanted? The veto is a powerful weapon the President has and Trump has used it once.

Again, things 3rd graders understand - Seven Roles for One President

5. Legislative Leader
Only Congress has the actual power to make laws, but the Constitution gives the president power to influence Congress in its lawmaking. Presidents may urge Congress to pass new laws or veto bills that they do not favor.


What incumbent swamp creature primary opponents did Trump support?

If swamp creatures were stymieing his efforts, I'm sure he worked hard to get rid of them when he had the opportunity.

And your argument is that they do now? What demonstrable evidence is there of that.

As I just posted, 91% of incumbents running in the House midterms were reelected.

This much is clear... C____ of personality have that effect. (Since we're not allowed to use the other "C word" anymore )

Personally, I've never mistakenly donated money to anyone, let alone Democrats 3:1 prior to 2007 or $6,000 to Kamala Harris in 2014.

Do you think the 24/7 anti Trump vitriol and TDS 90% negative media coverage had anything to do with that, or is it all Trumps fault?

ETA His own party was working against him, and you blame him. McCain, Ryan etc...

McCain's legacy:

Shutting down the tea party through the IRS
Trying to sabotage Trump with Russian-Clinton paid dirt.
Voting down obamacare repeal

I know it's very upsetting for you that both McCain and Mueller helped rid the world of commies.

And what’s your legacy?

Nah, hard pass on the respect for someone actively subverting out country.

You must have a strange definition of "actively" if it's something a dead person can accomplish.

“The reason we have the Special Counsel investigation is that James Comey (a dirty cop) leaked his memos to a friend, who leaked them to the press, on purpose.” @KennedyNation Totally illegal!

Donald J. Trump  (@realDonaldTrump) March 21, 2019

You can really tell he expects to be exonerated...

Well, McCain lives rent free inside trump's head... so that kinda counts IMO

So who are the true conservatives looking forward to voting for next November? Beto? Warren? Kamala?

Wtf are you talking about?

They ushered them in and gave them comfort.

John shitbag McCain is for open borders.

It was roughly during that time period when Trump was complaining about bone spurs and dodging STDs.

I can happily say that I've been a righteous American patriot thus far.

Hope the McCain family likes the hell they are going to catch over the next few days or weeks...they've lived off the American taxpayer long enough and deserve to pay some respects to those paying their bills.

"Righteous American Patriot"

Please... Like Leftist hate against a Republican President is somehow unprecedented.











Again, so why did Trump give them everything they wanted, only just now using his veto power?

Maybe you can tell me which incumbent primary opposition candidates Trump campaigned for to try to clean house prior to the midterms.

you think the squandering of the first 2 years might be somewhat to blame on Ryan and others in congress sitting on their hands?

And?

Many Americans didn't serve and didn't want to.

Including you.

It's ok, we president now, so that's fine that trump was/is a fucking coward.

Considering Trump still has the entire Republican party afraid of him sending out mean tweets about them, I'm pretty sure it's Trump's fault.

Including me.

How does it go? Birds of a feather...

He ran for president and won.

Trump is the true hero.

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