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Posted: 3/18/2019 4:40:19 AM EDT
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Chopsaw for best accuracy. I use one for framing, Its a little slower but much better. After 30 years, I don't care about speed, I want accurate, clean cuts. Direct drives depend on the cheap bearing in the motor to keep the blade from wobbling. They often fail early causing a wobbly blade which in turn makes it hard to cut straight. If weights a concern, get a Skil 77magnesium. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 4:45:41 AM EDT
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Care to expound on that NO? Reasons? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Makita This one. design it was a softer pliable metal that would bend enabling you to bend it back into shape. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 5:32:12 AM EDT
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Mag 77
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Posted: 3/18/2019 5:40:10 AM EDT
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If you already have Makita 18v stuff, this is the saw you want. Corded stuff is like using a flip phone nowadays. Nobody is innovating flip phones and the same goes for corded saws.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4nsLuGo77E |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 5:48:09 AM EDT
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Makita or bosch
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Posted: 3/18/2019 5:49:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is literally the saw that built modern America. Amazon link. $189.00 https://www.acmetoolstore.com/wcsstore/ExtendedSitesCatalogAssetStore/images/catalog/products/original/0DAE16BF-FD79-43C9-8F20-54BFC6AA45C9.jpg https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61dQTWFHa2L._SL1000_.jpg The post-War, GI Bill fueled West coast building boom was insane. Three man crews framing 1500 SF tract homes in one long day, day in and day out. 77s with the guards removed and custom collets turning 12” blades gang cutting studs and rafters, hand nailing with gas and wax. If you aren’t familiar Larry Haun, google for him. Fascinating guy, fascinating time. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 6:35:08 PM EDT
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So I was reading this thread last night, and saw this today,
Am I going to be happy with this?  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 6:52:19 PM EDT
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If you are framing maybe. If you are doing any kind of finish work, probably not. Personally I can’t stand a worm drive. I don’t know anyone that uses one for anything other than framing and cutting 4x4s.
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Posted: 3/18/2019 6:53:42 PM EDT
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Skill Mag 77. Everything else is meh. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 8:04:51 PM EDT
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The op is asking for a saw that is not a worm drive. Everyone in GD gives him worm drive recommendations.
The Makita sidewinder posted above is a great saw op, for decorative post cuts on a standing post I'd just use my 20 volt cordless Dewalt. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 9:13:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've still got the same Pirannah blades I bought like ten years ago. Two, still unused. What's the newest, bestest these days for general combo work? |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 9:35:00 PM EDT
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Makita. None better. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 9:35:48 PM EDT
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Makita 5007xx has been my go to saw for decades. Never thought I'd say this but stay away from Milwaukee. Angle lock sucks.
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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:08:13 PM EDT
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Carpenter here for 39 years
My two favorite electric saws are: Skillsaw model 77 worm drive, owned the same one for 39 years, built like a Tank People bitch about the weight, ask your husband to cut your lumber for you, The weight works for you... 
I can build anything with wormdrive and speed square... Also Skillsaw 5 1/2" trim saw over 39 years I'm probably on my 6th one As for cordless, anything Milwaukee Fuel would be my first choice |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:17:00 PM EDT
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Skill Mag 77. Everything else is meh. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:26:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: with a pinned up blade guard.  anyone I've seen get tagged by a skill saw was either with wet lumber and the guard didn't come down when they finished there cut because of all the wet saw dust and they where rushing another guy was at full stretch cutting a sheet of plywood and took his hand off of the saw before it had stopped running and it jumped back and cut a tendon in his hand , guy was one of the better carpenters that I've seen , he was highly embarrassed over the incident and ended up not being taken back on a very large project with lots of OT , so it can happen if your careless . |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:40:53 PM EDT
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Carpenter here for 39 years My two favorite electric saws are: Skillsaw model 77 worm drive, owned the same one for 39 years, built like a Tank People bitch about the weight, ask your husband to cut your lumber for you, The weight works for you...
I can build anything with wormdrive and speed square... Also Skillsaw 5 1/2" trim saw over 39 years I'm probably on my 6th one As for cordless, anything Milwaukee Fuel would be my first choice I gave it to one of the crew leads.BTW, the Milwaukee cordless chopsaw and tablesaw, are just tits. I highly recommend trying them out if you are looking for something like these. PPS... I counted 14 Skil 77s we have on jobs. That doesn't count the shop saws or the bone yard shelves. The guys recommending Black and Decker sidewinders. 
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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:49:40 PM EDT
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Only if you think America consists of the West coast, and more specifically California. Where you are, the 77 is king. In Virginia, one sees ten Skil or Makita sidewinders for every 77. And that’s being generous; I don’t recall ever seeing one on a work site. The post-War, GI Bill fueled West coast building boom was insane. Three man crews framing 1500 SF tract homes in one long day, day in and day out. 77s with the guards removed and custom collets turning 12” blades gang cutting studs and rafters, hand nailing with gas and wax. If you aren’t familiar Larry Haun, google for him. Fascinating guy, fascinating time. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:50:22 PM EDT
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So I was reading this thread last night, and saw this today, Am I going to be happy with this? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/27868/68D9547C-42D4-4581-98D3-336C1A747A3D_jpeg-882540.JPG |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 11:19:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Skil for a bill? I'd bought all they had. But yah, I think you'll like it. I just happened to walk by today while I was grabbing a jig and some new router bits and it was sitting there It should be a step up from my “I need a fucking saw right now” ryobi and my ancient porter cable 507, In its defense it’s been going strong for god knows how long, but the blade wobbles/wonders. I’m tired of getting bogged halfway through a sheet of 3/4 ply or melamine shelf stock |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 11:24:55 PM EDT
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Bosch worm drive, then Skil worm drive, then the rest. Who the fuck frames with a sidewinder?
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Posted: 3/18/2019 11:29:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2019 11:44:36 PM EDT
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Skill Mag 77. Everything else is meh. I don’t see why it can’t serve you now. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 11:47:28 PM EDT
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with a pinned up blade guard. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All we use at work are 8 1/4 blade worm drive skill saws I believe it's the biggest one they make ,heavy as fuck I wouldn't want to be climbing around a roof with one I always liked the porter cable mini boss because it had the blade on the same side that I'm used to but the problem with that is you can only put a 5 1/2 or 6 1/2 inch blade on those the one area technology hasn't caught up to is in the skill saw world apart from cordless stuff , you would think someone would have come up with a much lighter big saw by now . |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 11:50:06 PM EDT
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So I was reading this thread last night, and saw this today, Am I going to be happy with this? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/27868/68D9547C-42D4-4581-98D3-336C1A747A3D_jpeg-882540.JPG |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 11:51:16 PM EDT
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Carpenter here for 39 years My two favorite electric saws are: Skillsaw model 77 worm drive, owned the same one for 39 years, built like a Tank People bitch about the weight, ask your husband to cut your lumber for you, The weight works for you...
I can build anything with wormdrive and speed square... Also Skillsaw 5 1/2" trim saw over 39 years I'm probably on my 6th one As for cordless, anything Milwaukee Fuel would be my first choice |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 12:04:40 AM EDT
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This served me well for many years of +/- 2 degrees and took tons of abuse when I was framing. I don’t see why it can’t serve you now. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 12:10:16 AM EDT
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Carpenter here for 39 years My two favorite electric saws are: Skillsaw model 77 worm drive, owned the same one for 39 years, built like a Tank People bitch about the weight, ask your husband to cut your lumber for you, The weight works for you...
I can build anything with wormdrive and speed square... Also Skillsaw 5 1/2" trim saw over 39 years I'm probably on my 6th one As for cordless, anything Milwaukee Fuel would be my first choice |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 12:31:52 AM EDT
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Great for drop cutting framing material or timber, but still heavy for a general pupose saw in my opinion and I have one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It is literally the saw that built modern America. Amazon link. $189.00 https://www.acmetoolstore.com/wcsstore/ExtendedSitesCatalogAssetStore/images/catalog/products/original/0DAE16BF-FD79-43C9-8F20-54BFC6AA45C9.jpg https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61dQTWFHa2L._SL1000_.jpg I never heard about the older generation complaining about hauling their garand, packs of '06, or heavy tools. Nowadays we have pussies complaining that some rifles are garbage because they're not as light as an AR pencil profile. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 2:09:29 AM EDT
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Only if you think America consists of the West coast, and more specifically California. Where you are, the 77 is king. In Virginia, one sees ten Skil or Makita sidewinders for every 77. And that’s being generous; I don’t recall ever seeing one on a work site. The post-War, GI Bill fueled West coast building boom was insane. Three man crews framing 1500 SF tract homes in one long day, day in and day out. 77s with the guards removed and custom collets turning 12” blades gang cutting studs and rafters, hand nailing with gas and wax. If you aren’t familiar Larry Haun, google for him. Fascinating guy, fascinating time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It is literally the saw that built modern America. Amazon link. $189.00 https://www.acmetoolstore.com/wcsstore/ExtendedSitesCatalogAssetStore/images/catalog/products/original/0DAE16BF-FD79-43C9-8F20-54BFC6AA45C9.jpg https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61dQTWFHa2L._SL1000_.jpg The post-War, GI Bill fueled West coast building boom was insane. Three man crews framing 1500 SF tract homes in one long day, day in and day out. 77s with the guards removed and custom collets turning 12” blades gang cutting studs and rafters, hand nailing with gas and wax. If you aren’t familiar Larry Haun, google for him. Fascinating guy, fascinating time. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 2:13:10 AM EDT
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The op is asking for a saw that is not a worm drive. Everyone in GD gives him worm drive recommendations. The Makita sidewinder posted above is a great saw op, for decorative post cuts on a standing post I'd just use my 20 volt cordless Dewalt. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 2:26:05 AM EDT
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Bosch worm drive, then Skil worm drive, then the rest. Who the fuck frames with a sidewinder? |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 2:46:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/21/2019 9:40:36 AM EDT
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I like the blade on the left Bosch |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 10:15:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've framed or helped frame about 12 when i sidelined as a carpenter. The last i totally framed was my home. Sidewinders used in all. Framed my house using a $49 B&D sidewinder. It survived the house build, but i let the smoke out of it working some 1" oak plank i lined the horse stalls with.. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 10:30:06 AM EDT
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So I was reading this thread last night, and saw this today, Am I going to be happy with this? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/27868/68D9547C-42D4-4581-98D3-336C1A747A3D_jpeg-882540.JPG |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 11:01:35 AM EDT
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The op is asking for a saw that is not a worm drive. Everyone in GD gives him worm drive recommendations. Buy the Milwaukee or Makita Brushless Cordless. Don't be intimidated by the fact that the Makita takes two batteries to the Milwaukee's one. The lithium is the expensive part. The total cost of the "kits" with a saw, charger, and either 2 (Milwaukee)or 4 (Makita) batteries are comparable. Check out Home Depot or CPO Tools to get ideas on how much you'll have to spend without leaving the comfort of your house. I know corded has a lower cost upfront, but not having to manage your cord as you walk around posts and go around your deck cutting posts will be life-changing, although, after 35 years of doing it as a pro, you might have cord management almost hardwired at this point. But seriously, cordless is life-changing. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 11:06:45 AM EDT
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Lol no way , I have seen one guy do it by just cutting a little finger wedge and wedging the guard to the housing (highly unrecommended ) anyone I've seen get tagged by a skill saw was either with wet lumber and the guard didn't come down when they finished there cut because of all the wet saw dust and they where rushing another guy was at full stretch cutting a sheet of plywood and took his hand off of the saw before it had stopped running and it jumped back and cut a tendon in his hand , guy was one of the better carpenters that I've seen , he was highly embarrassed over the incident and ended up not being taken back on a very large project with lots of OT , so it can happen if your careless . |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 11:32:40 AM EDT
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AvE did reviews of the Skil and Makita wormdrives and he no longer considered Skil to be the top saw based on the build of the tool, but not the actual use of the tool, so take that with a grain of salt.
I've been reading a lot of reviews for sliding miter saws and I'm curious about the folks who write in and bitch that the saw is off 0.2 degrees. Maybe it makes a difference if you're building hardwood furniture, but most folks can't get near that level of accuracy, especially with an organic product that moves with temperature and moisture. Buy a good saw that feels right to you. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 8:37:08 PM EDT
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Grow stronger. I never heard about the older generation complaining about hauling their garand, packs of '06, or heavy tools. Nowadays we have pussies complaining that some rifles are garbage because they're not as light as an AR pencil profile. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: It is literally the saw that built modern America. Amazon link. $189.00 https://www.acmetoolstore.com/wcsstore/ExtendedSitesCatalogAssetStore/images/catalog/products/original/0DAE16BF-FD79-43C9-8F20-54BFC6AA45C9.jpg https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61dQTWFHa2L._SL1000_.jpg I never heard about the older generation complaining about hauling their garand, packs of '06, or heavy tools. Nowadays we have pussies complaining that some rifles are garbage because they're not as light as an AR pencil profile. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 9:04:26 PM EDT
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That's impressive someone stuck with a sidewinder that long. How many saws did it take to build all 12? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I've framed or helped frame about 12 when i sidelined as a carpenter. The last i totally framed was my home. Sidewinders used in all. Framed my house using a $49 B&D sidewinder. It survived the house build, but i let the smoke out of it working some 1" oak plank i lined the horse stalls with.. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 9:49:37 PM EDT
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Was pretty much set on a Makita, but today when i went in a local Lowe's to see what they had, Bam, there it was...Bosch CS10 and $20 off at $99. It has the bold angle/depth lettering like the $150 Makita, the foot fence is solid cast magnesium and only weighs 10.3 lbs. Looks jam up tight and and well built. I check Amazon and the price is the same.
I've used a lot of Bosch equipment at work and that stuff is tough as nails, so I'll give this a go this weekend. Also sports a three year warranty. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 10:01:17 PM EDT
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My brother has a Bosch, and it doesnt suck, but it's not as handy, or familiar, as the makita. You cant read the blade as well, and it doesn't work as a fan.
The makita is beautiful in that after the cut, you can use it to blow all the chips off of your stuff. Good luck with it. 
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Posted: 3/21/2019 10:05:48 PM EDT
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I have a 40 year old Skil 77 that is my go to saw. Beats everything else I have tried. I have a sidewinder that I hate because I can't see the blade when cutting with my right hand.
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Posted: 3/22/2019 2:12:34 AM EDT
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My brother has a Bosch, and it doesnt suck, but it's not as handy, or familiar, as the makita. You cant read the blade as well, and it doesn't work as a fan. The makita is beautiful in that after the cut, you can use it to blow all the chips off of your stuff. Good luck with it. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 9:04:47 AM EDT
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Was pretty much set on a Makita, but today when i went in a local Lowe's to see what they had, Bam, there it was...Bosch CS10 and $20 off at $99. It has the bold angle/depth lettering like the $150 Makita, the foot fence is solid cast magnesium and only weighs 10.3 lbs. Looks jam up tight and and well built. I check Amazon and the price is the same. I've used a lot of Bosch equipment at work and that stuff is tough as nails, so I'll give this a go this weekend. Also sports a three year warranty. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 9:40:52 AM EDT
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Ridgid fuego. Light powerful fast. Great adjustments.
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Posted: 3/22/2019 10:24:30 AM EDT
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I just killed my old saw. Shop Craft like this one.
Brushes or the switch went out. I normally dont use a saw but maybe every two years. Im thinking of a $50 skill for what I do. I dont want a battery saw because its not used a lot. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 10:26:22 AM EDT
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Skill Mag 77. Everything else is meh. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 10:27:30 AM EDT
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Skill Mag 77. Everything else is meh. |
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