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Posted: 12/16/2003 10:03:37 AM EDT
...and what does this mean for the civilian market & AR???

Would you get a civilian version of the XM8?

Does it make more sense to get an AK variant, a 5.56mm one spoecifically, since you'll have ammo compatibility + greater reliability?

Thoughts? Looks like it will be adopted as an M4 supplement replacement first in '05...

Here are the links:

www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/rifles-carbines/xm8.html

www.hk-usa.com/corporate/media/pdf/XM8M4Comparison.pdf

www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/news/jiw/jiw031212_1_n.shtml
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 10:09:50 AM EDT
Very interesting... I would buy one, but I wouldn't sell my AR to get one.
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 10:11:41 AM EDT
.. not again
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 10:13:51 AM EDT
This is about the 6th thread on this in the past 2 weeks.
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 10:13:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By tivoli410: .. not again
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[lol]I was thinking the same thing.
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 10:22:36 AM EDT
[url]www.hk-usa.com/corporate/media/pdf/XM8M4Comparison.pdf[/url] the charts pictured here are fucked up M4: - 8.85lbs [red]no f'in way[/red] - (price, for military, carbine only) $900 [red]not even to civilians[/red] - reliability: <6,000 rounds with regular cleaning and lubrication [red]yeah.. without cleaning and lube.. not with[/red] XM8: - component service life: >20,000 rounds (M4 only 8,000) - reliability: 20,000 rounds without cleaning and lube without stoppages or parts failures thats just the first couple out of many
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 10:26:48 AM EDT
Gesus not another one... HK pulling the same kind of con job as RCBS.
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 10:26:55 AM EDT
I know there were other threads but I don't rem seeing the charts, or especially the Jane's article linked up. Man I miss the old search feature...
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 10:29:01 AM EDT
As much as I am a fan of H&K products, I would not get an XM8. I think they are ugly.
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 10:36:09 AM EDT
I welcome the change. yes i will have a civilian xm8 when it is released already have a g36 clone that i love.
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 10:37:55 AM EDT
Now they're making space guns that make ARs look like K98s. Looks like a robust weapon. But I'm just too traditional.
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 10:38:33 AM EDT
Even *IF* the armed forces switch to the XM8, us lowly civies will never see one offered to us. Maybe some bastardized SL8 type thing or a neutered version, but who want's that. I'll take my AR's thank you very much and I am working towards an M16 as funds allow. [:D] The AR15/M16 is the last civilian offering of a military weapon we will ever see.
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 10:39:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By A-nus: I welcome the change. yes i will have a civilian xm8 when it is released already have a g36 clone that i love.
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IF there is a civilian version and why get one if you have a G36 clone?
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 10:41:16 AM EDT
As a civilian, I can say that for my part, if they offered it to me, I'd turn it down.
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 10:51:50 AM EDT
Isn't that the gun that Pacino used in HEAT?
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 10:52:32 AM EDT
I'd get one.
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 10:55:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By tivoli410:
Originally Posted By A-nus: I welcome the change. Yes I will have a civilian xm8 when it is released already have a g36 clone that I love.
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IF there is a civilian version and why get one if you have a G36 clone?
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I am confidant there will be one, and because my collection is to consist of a copy of every civilian available firearm possible (except any glockb)
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 10:57:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By A-nus:
Originally Posted By tivoli410:
Originally Posted By A-nus: I welcome the change. Yes I will have a civilian xm8 when it is released already have a g36 clone that I love.
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IF there is a civilian version and why get one if you have a G36 clone?
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I am confidant there will be one, and because my collection is to consist of a copy of every civilian available firearm possible (except any glockb)
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oh.. ok [:D]
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 10:57:51 AM EDT
Who gives a rat's ass what it looks like??? If it's lighter, more adaptable, and more reliable than the M16 family - why not use it? HK makes it seem that the Army has already adopted it for limited procurement as an M4 replacement in '05...
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 10:58:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By John91498: I'd get one.
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As would I. I actually like the way it looks [shock], and it seems to be very controlable from the video I have seen. However. I DO NOT think that it does anything significantly better than an AR15/M16. I would not give up my AR for one, and I dont see it replacing the M4/M16.
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 11:00:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Burrito: Who gives a rat's ass what it looks like??? If it's lighter, more adaptable, and more reliable than the M16 family - why not use it? HK makes it seem that the Army has already adopted it for limited procurement as an M4 replacement in '05...
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its not more adaptable it hasnt been field tested long enough for battle usage.. IMHO
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 11:01:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Hawkeye: As would I. I actually like the way it looks [shock], and it seems to be very controlable from the video I have seen. However. I DO NOT think that it does anything significantly better than an AR15/M16. I would not give up my AR for one, and I dont see it replacing the M4/M16.
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I agree. We'll just have to wait and see.
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 11:04:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By tivoli410: [url]www.hk-usa.com/corporate/media/pdf/XM8M4Comparison.pdf[/url] the charts pictured here are fucked up M4: - 8.85lbs [red]no f'in way[/red] - (price, for military, carbine only) $900 [red]not even to civilians[/red] - reliability: <6,000 rounds with regular cleaning and lubrication [red]yeah.. without cleaning and lube.. not with[/red] XM8: - component service life: >20,000 rounds (M4 only 8,000) - reliability: 20,000 rounds without cleaning and lube without stoppages or parts failures thats just the first couple out of many
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I remember hearing the same story about the M16 when it was first issued to troops in VietNam. From what I heard the story goes that they didn't need cleaning kits & supplies because they were suppose to be so trouble & maintence free. I withhold my judgement.
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 11:06:40 AM EDT
[Ahnold Terminator Voice] "A Laser Pulse Rifle in the 20 Megawatt range........" [End Ahnold Terminator Voice] No thanks.......too much plastic. It does remind me of "STARSHIP TROOPERS" though. What's next?
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 11:09:46 AM EDT
I'd buy it in an instant. But I think for the forseeable future all XM-8's would be offered by HK only. There wouldn't be the robust, competitive market that exists for AR clones.
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 11:09:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl: Gesus not another one... HK pulling the same kind of con job as RCBS.
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You mean RBCD. RCBS makes reloaders and associated accessories.
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 11:15:27 AM EDT
Goldangit! That thing looks like it was made by Mattel*. Rumor officially started by me, on this date. All rights reserved. [:D]
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 11:16:12 AM EDT
I have some more Christmas lights to hang this afternoon, and a run to the post office before work.
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 11:20:00 AM EDT
NEWS FLASH! TOYS R US got one more batch in just in time for christmas!Get your's before the U.S millitary gets them all!!!
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 11:26:48 AM EDT
Same old HK propaganda, third or fourth time that this press release has been put out in the last 18 months. [rolleyes] [beathorse]
Link Posted: 12/16/2003 11:29:26 AM EDT
I hope they're developing a new 5.56 round to go with it, because the muzzle velocity out of the 12.5" carbine barrel is going to be about 2800 fps, and a whole lot lower out of the 9" compact carbine barrel. That's going to give you a pretty short fragmentation range.
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