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Posted: 12/14/2003 1:35:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2003 2:18:30 AM EDT by Boom_Stick]
NATO was formed at the end of WWII to keep another European beast from rearing its head with Germany at the reigns. Now the latest EU meeting in Brussels (though it failed) signals that it's gonna happen again. Germany has had it's eye on leading the EU since its beginnings and has been vying for power. France will bow to Germany once again and so will most other Europen countries. Read some pre-WWI and WWII history and you will recognize what is currently setting the stage for Germany to head the EU.
The EU has somewhat come together economically and is in the last phase of coming together politically. Coming together militarily will be its final phase.

I believe that WWIII or the next SHTF will be a result of the EU's military power enforcing their politics against us concerning our involvement with Israel and the Middle East in general. Oil will probably be the big subject including the religious issues that we align with (Isreal).

BIBLE SPOILERS: The Beast powers described in the Bible were always in the continent of Europe; Babylon, Medo-Persian Empire, Graeco-Macedonian Empire, Rome, then the final one which I believe will be the EU (they follow suit).
The European unions latest meeting that failed miserably easily represents the feet of iron and clay: their composition can barely mix and is unstable, but they will be strong like iron when it comes to warring. Think about it…what union would be the hardest to bring together? Europe! It’s comprised of countries that are entirely different in language, culture, heritage, history and each one has it’s own politics and money! They will come together eventually, but they won’t last long, and during that time they'll bring the world to war again.
Except this time everyone has nukes and horrible chem./bio weapons.

Here’s a good Biblical article on the subject, for those so inclined.
Reuters report on the meeting here
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 3:01:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Boom_Stick: NATO was formed at the end of WWII to keep another European beast from rearing its head with Germany at the reigns. Now the latest EU meeting in Brussels (though it failed) signals that it's gonna happen again. Germany has had it's eye on leading the EU since its beginnings and has been vying for power. France will bow to Germany once again and so will most other Europen countries. Read some pre-WWI and WWII history and you will recognize what is currently setting the stage for Germany to head the EU. The EU has somewhat come together economically and is in the last phase of coming together politically. Coming together militarily will be its final phase. I believe that WWIII or the next SHTF will be a result of the EU's military power enforcing their politics against us concerning our involvement with Israel and the Middle East in general. Oil will probably be the big subject including the religious issues that we align with (Isreal). BIBLE SPOILERS: The Beast powers described in the Bible were always in the continent of Europe; [I]Babylon, Medo-Persian Empire, Graeco-Macedonian Empire, Rome, [/I]then the final one which I believe will be the EU (they follow suit). The European unions latest meeting that failed miserably easily represents the feet of iron and clay: their composition can barely mix and is unstable, but they will be strong like iron when it comes to warring. Think about it…what union would be the hardest to bring together? Europe! It’s comprised of countries that are entirely different in language, culture, heritage, history and each one has it’s own politics and money! They will come together eventually, but they won’t last long, and during that time they'll bring the world to war again. Except this time everyone has nukes and horrible chem./bio weapons. [url= http://www.garnertedarmstrong.ws/manews0005.htm]Here’s a good Biblical article on the subject, for those so inclined.[/url] [url=www.reuters.com/printerFriendlyPopup.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=3987833]Reuters report on the meeting here[/url]
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I can't find my hat, dammit! [:D] [devil]
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 4:22:51 AM EDT
Well you do remember what was said when Germany re-united in the early 90`s? If anyone has any objections to this union speak now, or forever hold your piece in the ready postion with the safety off!!
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 9:54:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 1shott: Well you do remember what was said when Germany re-united in the early 90`s? If anyone has any objections to this union speak now, or forever hold your piece in the ready postion with the safety off!!
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I don’t remember that quote but it doesn't surprise me. Hitler came to power on the coattails of the Treaty of Versailles. I think they'll do it again on the coattails of their unification. Too many people are dismissing this repeat of history. I dont know why.
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 10:10:59 AM EDT
Dude, your tinfoil hat is too tight.
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 10:12:04 AM EDT
I was just over in Germany for a wedding a few months ago. Most of the guys talking over a few beers had a similar fear. They are scared because Germany is too far to the left. Their worry is that another charismatic ruler will bring them crashing to the right again, and another Hitler will arise. Those that fail to learn from history....
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 10:12:40 AM EDT
Yeah, but none of them have a Navy worth spitting at. Kind of hard to move around without one. Also, I wouldn't be tossing around WMD's with the Ohio's still cruising. CW
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 10:13:31 AM EDT
Won't be a problem. Unlike the last time, the Poles will wipe 'em out if they even think of it [;D] Evil(Polish)Ed
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 10:13:34 AM EDT
BIBLE SPOILERS: The Beast powers described in the Bible were always in the continent of Europe; [I]Babylon, Medo-Persian Empire, Graeco-Macedonian Empire, Rome,
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Babylon = Iraq Medo-Persian = Iran Europe must be a lot bigger than I thought if it goes all the way through southwest Asia.
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 10:27:21 AM EDT
Originally Posted By H46Driver:
Europe must be a lot bigger than I thought if it goes all the way through southwest Asia.
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You’re thinking of Europe’s boundaries in today’s world. Each of those world-ruling empires was built upon the latter. If you look at the progression of those empires you see a migration that just about encompasses Europe. The Roman Empire stretched its boarders all the way into Scotland, though they couldn’t defeat the inhabitants, and it was about the time the Empire fell. It makes sense that the next beast power will comprise all of Europe. It will ultimately consist of 10 major players (kings-governments) for a little while. There are more than 10 nations in Europe at the moment, but look at how many major Gov's could fall in line with Germany at the head.
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 10:35:16 AM EDT
This is exactly why there should be a strict separation of politics and wacko superstitions.
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 10:41:13 AM EDT
It does say something in the Bible that the former Roman Empire will rise again. Well the EU covers the former Roman Empire- DUH! If you would have told me that France and Germany would ally themselves and becomes best buds, I'd have said YOUR WERE NUTS! Well they have haven't they?? CRC
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 10:53:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Evil_Ed: Won't be a problem. Unlike the last time, the Poles will wipe 'em out if they even think of it [;D] Evil(Polish)Ed
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This time the Poles will definately "Get Some"!!! My 2 cousins are still in Germany. Both are useless welfare sucking SOS's. They are not exactly typical I suppose but from most accounts the work ethic in the lower and middle class is not what it used to be. I doubt socialist Germany will have stomach for the hardships of war. [:)>]
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 10:58:14 AM EDT
I have to admit when I heard about this latest EU meeting it raised my eyebrows... strange things are afoot and the Circle K, and most of us probably have no clue to what extent.
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 11:01:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Kar98: This is exactly why there should be a strict separation of politics and wacko superstitions.
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When the FF's wrote the blueprint for our government they definitely took into consideration the relationship of the Roman Empire and the catholic church! Unfortunately, the separation of church and state does not mean that the 10 commandments should be pulled down or prayers should be banned from schools. That clause is supposed to keep government from making law that ENFORCES a NATIONAL state endorsed religion. Even while the 10 commandments were in front of that courthouse...NO ONE was pushing or trying to make law that Christianity was the official US religion.
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 11:15:10 AM EDT
well if Germany does rise up again we all should hope for another tactical idiot leader like Hitler to run things..otherwise we could be in serious doo doo. just imagine how it all would have turned out if WWII Germany was run by Rommel and the other competant German generals and not that speed freak Adolf.. no matter how evil Hitler was theres no denying that WWII Germany had one of if not the finest armies ever feilded in history.
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 11:22:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Rudison:
Originally Posted By Evil_Ed: Won't be a problem. Unlike the last time, the Poles will wipe 'em out if they even think of it [;D] Evil(Polish)Ed
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This time the Poles will definately "Get Some"!!! My 2 cousins are still in Germany. Both are useless welfare sucking SOS's. They are not exactly typical I suppose but from most accounts the work ethic in the lower and middle class is not what it used to be. I doubt socialist Germany will have stomach for the hardships of war. [:)>]
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Hey, your cousins aren't alone. Over 30% of the country is on welfare. Turks come into the country knowing one word, asylum, and get free money, cars, clothes, and health care. They make nearly as much as your average hard working German. Why not go on welfare? The welfare system there is really F-ed up. The sad thing is illegal immigrants get similar treatment here in the US.
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 11:24:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2003 11:29:34 AM EDT by Sunset04]
The whole world will unite; europe along with Russia, Middle East, and China. America (the eagle referred to in the Bible) will be the last ally of Israel, before we are destroyed. The 300 million man army mentioned in the Bible will undoubtedly come from China. From the CIA world factbook for china: Military manpower - fit for military service: males age 15-49: 206 million (2003 est.) [url]http://cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ch.html[/url]
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 11:29:22 AM EDT
Here's something else I just realized after re-reading the Reuters report. Just like the Roman Empire was symbolized as split (governmentally) by the two legs of the statue, so are the feet! Right now they are talking about a "Two-speed Europe"! Germany and France right now are the two entities at the lead. Of course Germany will be the head of the two.
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 11:34:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Boom_Stick:
Originally Posted By 1shott: Well you do remember what was said when Germany re-united in the early 90`s? If anyone has any objections to this union speak now, or forever hold your piece in the ready postion with the safety off!!
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I don’t remember that quote but it doesn't surprise me. Hitler came to power on the coattails of the Treaty of Versailles. I think they'll do it again on the coattails of their unification. Too many people are dismissing this repeat of history. I dont know why.
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People may learn from history and still make the same mistakes. Because people are afraid, so they think if we ignore it, it will go away.
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 11:36:47 AM EDT
Right now, WE are the Supreme Economic and Military power on the planet. Whoever the "Beast" is, they're gonna hafta whip us first... Either that, or.........[devil] It is said, anti-christ will come out of the old Roman empire... Our nation, and people, came out of the old Roman Empire. (Up until the last 40 years or so anyhow [:D])
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 11:37:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2003 11:41:44 AM EDT by Boom_Stick]
Originally Posted By Sunset04: The whole world will unite; europe along with Russia, Middle East, and China. America (the eagle referred to in the Bible) will be the last ally of Israel, before we are destroyed. The 300 million man army mentioned in the Bible will undoubtedly come from China.
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Yep, and don’t forget about England. The US and England is symbolized as Ephraim and Manasseh, because we have ALWAYS stood by each other as brother nations. Look at our political relationship with them now (war an terror, etc..) and their reluctance to join the EU.
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 12:17:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Boom_Stick: That clause is supposed to keep government from making law that ENFORCES a NATIONAL state endorsed religion. Even while the 10 commandments were in front of that courthouse...NO ONE was pushing or trying to make law that Christianity was the official US religion.
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For all I care, the ten commandments could be posted at every school, at every courthouse, at every city square etc. They are, in general principle, sound advice and good basics laws to live by. What horrifies me is how nutjobs read the bible and say, oh look here, that spot that looks like fly shit? That's God's command to go and smite Denmark! Let's go nuke the Tivoli! This goes for the koran as well, obviously. Fucking religious crackpot doomsayers. TS will HTF soon enough, there's absolutely no need to actually wish for and promote TEOTWAKI.
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 12:34:20 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 12:42:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2003 12:50:54 PM EDT by Mausebaer]
[img]http://www.smiley-channel.de/grafiken/smiley/froehlich/froehlich086.gif[/img] Hey Rob (Boom-Stick), just tell me what the green party and the SPD are! [img]http://www.smiley-channel.de/grafiken/smiley/froehlich/froehlich214.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 1:49:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Mausebaer: just tell me what the green party and the SPD are!
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SPD...Seattle police department?[>:/]
Link Posted: 12/14/2003 1:53:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2003 2:24:39 PM EDT by Boom_Stick]
Originally Posted By Kar98: What horrifies me is how nutjobs read the bible and say, oh look here, that spot that looks like fly shit? That's God's command to go and smite Denmark! Let's go nuke the Tivoli! This goes for the koran as well, obviously. Fucking religious crackpot doomsayers. TS will HTF soon enough, there's absolutely no need to actually wish for and promote TEOTWAKI.
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Yep, there are groups out there who read the Bible out of context at the hand of their church leadership[i](totally led astray)[/i], and as a result they collectively develop wacky ideas. It is a sad thing.
Link Posted: 12/15/2003 12:16:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Kar98: What horrifies me is how nutjobs read the bible and say, oh look here, that spot that looks like fly shit? That's God's command to go and smite Denmark!
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[LOL] Thanks for the signature line [:)]
Link Posted: 12/15/2003 5:26:44 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/15/2003 5:55:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/15/2003 5:57:24 AM EDT by liberty86]
Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
Originally Posted By liberty86: Right now, WE are the Supreme Economic and Military power on the planet. Whoever the "Beast" is, they're gonna hafta whip us first... Either that, or.........[devil] It is said, anti-christ will come out of the old Roman empire... Our nation, and people, came out of the old Roman Empire. (Up until the last 40 years or so anyhow [:D])
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On a similar note, [b]liberty86[/b], do you even 'see' the United States in Revelation? I don't. Which leads me to believe that the United States is at the time, either insignificant enough to ignore, or just plain not there. Eric The(HateToBeIgnored)Hun[>]:)]
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Or, are WE are the beast system??? It would seem fitting, that our apostacy as a nation would reap us the whirlwind....
Link Posted: 12/15/2003 6:14:12 AM EDT
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