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Posted: 12/12/2003 3:40:18 PM EDT
I was down at the Seattle Police Athletic Assn. range today with a couple of friends shooting my AR. While we were there, a couple of salesmen showed up to demo this monster for SWAT:


Accuracy International AW 50
SPECIFICATION
Caliber .50 BMG (12.7 X 99)
Heavy match grade Fluted Barrel length 27 inches with muzzle brake
Barrel twist 1 in 15
Magazine capacity 5 shot
Weight 30 lb / 13.5 kg
Overall Length 53.3 in / 135 cm (Folded 43.5 ins / 110.5 cm)
Color Black or Green
Two stage, fully adjustable Trigger set to 4 lb
Full length aluminum folding chassis enclosed by scuff resistant polymer stock sides
Rear Support leg
Machined wrought steel action body

... all for the, low, low price of $11,000 (scope not included)!

Definitely the LOUDEST gun I have ever FELT (standing 15 feet away from the shooter). First shot set off a car alarm and everyone cheered.

The SWAT guys had to admit that the department would probably never sign off on one at that price, but at least they'd have fun looking.
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 3:43:44 PM EDT
Can anyone justify why a PD would need one?
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 3:51:05 PM EDT
Well, to give you the answer of the SWAT guys I briefly chatted with, they are mainly concerned with having the capacity to disable vehicles and/or shoot though the front windshield of an airline cockpit. I don't think they have any delusions about taking 1000 yd shots in an urban environment. It also sounded as though the salesmen were trying to get SPD to buy one at a substantial discount, in hopes that a lot of other West Coast departments would feel the need to jump on the bandwagon. "SPD has an AW 50. Why don't we?"
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 3:51:15 PM EDT
SWAT snipers usually take their shots from relatively close ranges. There's no need for a .50 BMG. That gun's impressive as hell though.
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 3:53:00 PM EDT
Their justification for one would be? Besides just having an extra 11k sitting around the office. Talk about OVERPENETRATION.........
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 3:54:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TheFNG: Can anyone justify why a PD would need one?
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I seem to recall a thread about a homemade armored vehicle... just a thought.
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 3:55:23 PM EDT
There is mainly one reason for LE to have a .50 BMG: Shooting into an airplane cockpit. If their jurisdiction includes an airport or heliport, then maybe they should have one. At 11,000 dollars that might be a waste of taxpayer money. There are cheaper 50s. CRC
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 3:57:04 PM EDT
Yawn! You get one of those with a bronze membership to this board. What's the big deal?
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 3:57:04 PM EDT
belay my last post.. McMillan makes a damn fine one for half the price.
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 3:59:23 PM EDT
It is better to have than to need. If the local SWAT finds it needs a .50BMG in a given situation, it would be better to have one on hand then to have to go to the local gun store in time of need.
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 4:03:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TheFNG: Can anyone justify why a PD would need one?
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Didn't you read?? This is SEATTLE. Next time those crowds of crazy college kids show up to protest the WTO, the cops can actually SAVE money on ammo if they fire a .50BMG into the crowd considering its overpenetration will take out a few dozen for each round fired. Any other dumb questions? [:D] -Nick Viejo.
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 4:03:39 PM EDT
Well why not a Armalite AR-50 with it's effective brake for less than 3,000 if they REALLY NEED a 50? AI makes great guns but too pricy IMHO. CRC
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 4:04:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By newbushmaster: It is better to have than to need. If the local SWAT finds it needs a .50BMG in a given situation, it would be better to have one on hand then to have to go to the local gun store in time of need.
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Guess they should have some mortars and a couple of stingers too, just in case.....
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 4:19:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/12/2003 4:19:32 PM EDT by Wolfpack]
Wasn't the [b].338 Lapua[/b] round invented to go through cockpit windows? I know a .50 would too but I thought I saw somewhere that the Lapua was made for that.
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 5:46:37 PM EDT
But, but....what if the SWAt guys have to shoot a bad guy [u]through[/u] an amored vehicle?? [;D]
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 5:53:23 PM EDT
I seem to remember 2 guys in body armor keeping the entire LAPD at bay for quite some time and doing some serious damage. 2 Rounds from the 50 would have quickly solved that problem. Any more questions? Oh yeah, they are fun to shoot. One of the local ranges has one.....
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 5:57:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/12/2003 5:58:01 PM EDT by lvgunner777]
That rear support leg seems pretty cool, anyone used one of these on their precision rifle?
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 6:00:32 PM EDT
Hey! SWAT the movie just made it to the UK, and I _know_ that most police sidearms can penetrate airplanme cockpits when loaded with siimunitions! /sarcasm GD AWP whores :) /Phil
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 6:01:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/12/2003 6:02:27 PM EDT by TheFNG]
Originally Posted By PsyWarrior: I seem to remember 2 guys in body armor keeping the entire LAPD at bay for quite some time and doing some serious damage. 2 Rounds from the 50 would have quickly solved that problem. Any more questions? Oh yeah, they are fun to shoot. One of the local ranges has one.....
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Two rounds of .30-06 AP would have had the same effect. Edited to add: Oh and those 2 guys didnt win BTW.
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 6:03:33 PM EDT
Yeah policemen want their toys. Where's ours?
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 6:05:40 PM EDT
You guys are funny. If you were on that SWAT team, wouldn't YOU try to talk the department into buying one, whether you need it or not? I know I would.
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 6:08:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TheFNG: Can anyone justify why a PD would need one?
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To take out aircraft or vehicles? The .338 Lapua was designed to be a long range (1000m+) military sniper round IIRC. Anyone remember when Tyke the circus elephant went nuts and stomped her trainer before tearing through downtown Honolulu? Took 86 bullets to take her out. Bet a .50 would've been handy then.
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 6:11:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/12/2003 6:12:25 PM EDT by Juell]
Wow! I go to the SPAA every sat. and sun! Must have been on the police range? Man, I never get to see the cool stuff.
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 6:17:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SGTIMAK:
Originally Posted By TheFNG: Can anyone justify why a PD would need one?
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To take out aircraft or vehicles? The .338 Lapua was designed to be a long range (1000m+) military sniper round IIRC. Anyone remember when Tyke the circus elephant went nuts and stomped her trainer before tearing through downtown Honolulu? Took 86 bullets to take her out. Bet a .50 would've been handy then.
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Or maybe a .416 Rigby or a .500 Nitro Express...... CRC
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 6:20:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/12/2003 7:27:03 PM EDT by thebeekeeper1]
Originally Posted By Wolfpack: Wasn't the [b].338 Lapua[/b] round invented to go through cockpit windows? I know a .50 would too but I thought I saw somewhere that the Lapua was made for that.
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Dont know about that. I do know the SAS uses those AI guns in .338 lapua, and they used it as an anti-vehicle weapon. Shoot the motor block of a moving truck, [red][i]<>[/i][/red] get out to figure out what's wrong with the engine, sniper pops them. All from 1000 yards away.
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 6:40:00 PM EDT
i'll take 2 [:D]
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 7:14:37 PM EDT
While I think it is one hell of a rifle, I'm just not convinced that any bolt action rifle needs to cost 11K. I think I could sacrifice and just get the Barrett M82 and have $3.5K to spend on my US Optics scope and ammo....
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 7:36:09 PM EDT
I've got the catalog. Hard to believe it's made in Britain.
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 10:14:37 PM EDT
HELL!!!!!! Shoot through a cockpit windshield with that thing and it's likely it'll go through the passenger cabin and out the tail end! I do see a need to disable vehicles by shooting through engine blocks though.
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 10:21:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By tac45: HELL!!!!!! Shoot through a cockpit windshield with that thing and it's likely it'll go through the passenger cabin and out the tail end! I do see a need to disable vehicles by shooting through engine blocks though.
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Aren't there easier ways to disable a vehicle without hurling a 750 grain missile out there could do some serious collateral damage???
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 11:05:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/12/2003 11:08:22 PM EDT by FishKepr]
I wouldn't mind one bit if SPD had the capability to disable an armored vehicle or large truck, but ELEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS? Are they nuts? Hey, perhaps someone here could write a creative request for the city's finance department. How about it?
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 11:36:56 PM EDT
Excuse me, fellas, while I go change my underwear... Mr. Happy had a little "accident!"
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 12:41:06 AM EDT
That looks like a cheap Chicom sight on there!! WTF!!?[shock]
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 3:30:35 AM EDT
BTWW, as a side note for those who may not be aware, the cockpit windows of an airliner are about 2 inches thick, give or take a tad. Considering what we read about so many rounds not penetrating car windshields, a bigger hammer may be in order.
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 3:44:10 AM EDT
There is this Asian guy who's a Trauma Surgeon at the DNR range who sometimes totes along his collection of the ENTIRE AI line amongst other toys. He's alittle bit of a gun snob I might add.
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 3:50:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TheFNG: Can anyone justify why a PD would need one?
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For the children
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 4:02:59 AM EDT
Somebody help me out here. I recall someone was trying to introduce a "reduced" .50. About ¾ the length of the .50 BMG with 90% of the power? Something like that. Reduced recoil was one of the features as well. Anyway, it sounds like something a PD could find more useful than the full powered BMG round. BTW. The scope's a Swarski. But if I bought a .50 I would buy a bunch of cheap scopes just to see how long they held up. [:D]
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 4:10:35 AM EDT
.338 lapua ROCKS!!!!! [url]www.snipercentral.com/338.htm[/url]
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 4:18:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 8531sgt: Their justification for one would be? Besides just having an extra 11k sitting around the office. Talk about OVERPENETRATION.........
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You think this is COOL?????? I've suffered from the heartbreak of OVERPENETRATION since I was 12, and let me tell you, it's no laughing matter. [;D]
Link Posted: 12/13/2003 4:22:31 AM EDT
whats with the stock on these things, It looks like some rube goldberg invention with bells and whistles hanging off it. I like a nice ergonomic, sleek, design that is functional. not a xmas tree with orniments(sp) hanging off it!
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