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Posted: 12/10/2003 3:04:30 PM EDT
Get my first month eval and I get glowing reviews, "go to guy", "fast learner", "can count on him", "motivated".
Then I get a call not from my supervisor or the manager, but a call from the human resources person who told me not to come into work tonight, to drop off my security badge at the main gate and that my final check would be mailed to me.

I really liked this job too, and I don't want to get back on unemployment.

Any suggestions?
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 3:08:17 PM EDT
sorry to hear you lost your job during this time of the season.hopefully another job will open up soon for you. what was there reason since you just had a good eval?
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 3:09:07 PM EDT
Get a newspaper?.... Have you tried the govt. jobs....( I used to get a list from NS Everett) They used to have lots of options for the 3 Navy stations in this area.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 3:09:15 PM EDT
Stinks, man. Sorry to hear it. Hope you find something else real soon. What kind of work is it?
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 3:11:36 PM EDT
Get back out there and don't give up.[8D]
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 3:12:15 PM EDT
Sorry to hear it, KA3B. Always hard, but especially near the holidays. I'll mention you when I pray.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 3:13:01 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/10/2003 3:17:34 PM EDT
Wow, what a bum deal. When I go I want to go big. You did not even get the chance. Too bad man. I would suggest picking up a newspaper and hitting the streets in search of a new one. What else could you do?
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 3:21:27 PM EDT
Any explanation given? Was it a layoff? Were you "outsourced"?
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 3:28:16 PM EDT
Damnit. That sounds more like you were "laid off" instead of being "fired". BIG difference. Did you try to contact the supervisor or the manager and ask them why? Hang in there! Remember that you were looking for a job when you found that one! Just keep doing what you were doing when this one came along.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 3:31:53 PM EDT
Hope you find a new job soon. Did they tell you why you were fired?
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 3:35:57 PM EDT
Call your manager, ASAP. Something stinks to high heaven here. You need to get verification on it. Call now.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 3:41:56 PM EDT
I'd question the thinking behind their decision to let you go. As one door closes another one opens. For you, I hope that saying is true. Hang in there. Best wishes... Danny
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 3:55:15 PM EDT
You could always move to India or China, that's prolly where your job is now.... Sorry to hear the news man.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 4:09:54 PM EDT
I tried to call the site manager or one of the leads with no luck. I was 'politely' requested to not contact any of them. I contacted the employment security office and filed a complaint on the phone. Perhaps this will get a response.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 4:14:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By KA3B: I tried to call the site manager or one of the leads with no luck. I was 'politely' requested to not contact any of them. I contacted the employment security office and filed a complaint on the phone. Perhaps this will get a response.
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Was it the HR manager that 'requested' you not contact any managers? Or somebody you just tried? This stinks like a 10 foot high pile of shit from a cat who just got his diet changed.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 5:13:46 PM EDT
Any suggestions?
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Sure, let us know the name of your supervisor, manager and the head of your ex-companies HR dept. Home address is a +
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 7:51:28 PM EDT
Welcome to the club. I was "let go" last thursday. Its almost a week now. My manager told me that he didn't want to let me go because I was a great worker and knew what I was doing, plus, like you, I realy liked working there. I'm going to get a whopping $279. a week on unemployment WHO HOO!!! Don't kill yourself trying to figure out why you were let go. BISHOP
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 7:59:33 PM EDT
Something sounds wrong here. By telling you not to contact them, thats really odd. Iv'e never heard of a person getting let go without some kind of explanation. It sounds like they think you stole something or pulled something like that and they just wanted you out of their fast. Did you have anybody their that didn't like you or that was holding a grudge? Someone may have ratted you out about something. I would first try politly to get an answer and if you can't make some threats to go to the goverment. What state do you live in? Some states that wouldn't fly at all.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 8:00:50 PM EDT
Well I was let go just over a year ago, now Im back at my tech uspport job, no luck for ever advancing. Im pretty much stuck here, I never get anywhere, Im hoping to SHTF situation or a quick death to end everything for me. Thet decline to give me any reason in writing everytime I have contacted them. I also am never considered for any advancement where I currently am, Im working under people who have less expierance, less time on the job and dont know a damn thing. Basicly looking back at everything I want to seriously maim every member of the people who fired me famaily. When they fired me they did it over the phone at 9pm at night, I wish they would have sent my manager in person I would have probaly beat him to death with the hammer someone gave me I used to keep by the door.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 8:05:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By whywork40: Something sounds wrong here. By telling you not to contact them, thats really odd. Iv'e never heard of a person getting let go without some kind of explanation. It sounds like they think you stole something or pulled something like that and they just wanted you out of their fast. Did you have anybody their that didn't like you or that was holding a grudge? Someone may have ratted you out about something. I would first try politly to get an answer and if you can't make some threats to go to the goverment. What state do you live in? Some states that wouldn't fly at all.
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A wild guess- somebody monitored his at-work computer viewing habits, found he'd been to AR15.COM, and the management FREAKED OUT! "Oh my Gawd- he might bring one of those eeeevil guns to work and kill us all- fire him now, but don't tell him why!!"
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 8:12:19 PM EDT
I joined the club last Wednesday. 8 years of dedicated service to a small family owned mfg. firm. I was told it was in my long term best interest as well as the company. Merry Fucking Christmas!!!!!
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 8:13:49 PM EDT
First: HR owes you an explanation of the "reason" you were terminated. There should be a form you need to sign acknowledging the reason for your termination. Second, You should request and receive a copy of your personnel folder, especially the one review that has such a glowing report. Third, Don't piss and moan, go gracefully, but firmly. Request from HR that you recieve a letter of recommendation that you can use for your new job search. Finally, If you get the cold shoulder to any of the above, contact your local State workers rights office, they'll get you a response very quickly. Remember, your are not antagonistic, just requesting what the law (termination paperwork and copy of your personnel file) allows. good luck
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 8:33:43 PM EDT
KA3B Not trying to make light of it, but...is there something you haven't told us?
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 8:53:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By IAU149: KA3B Not trying to make light of it, but...is there something you haven't told us?
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What he said!
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 9:50:44 PM EDT
Well in CA you likely won't get a letter of recommendation. Most places are still in the "He worked here from date to date." No other information. According to the Labor Code, think Sec 102 but look it up you are supposed to receive your complete pay on your last day if they let you go. That you can bitch to the Labor Board about. None of the rest is something they can do anything about. Unless you had a specific contract to a specific date sounds like they were legal. Not nice, but legal (except for the pay). I've got about 25 years of HR and similar experience in CA but what do I know. Listen to the guy from Tennessee, he must know what the laws are here. Current practice (not that I always agree with it but HR tends to think I am a heretic.) is to make it quick and off the plant if possible. That minimizes the chances of negative reactions and interactions. Yeah it's shitty but it ends up being safer. Now unless you blew it and others know about it, the workplace morale will take a big hit. Everybody else will be wondering when the axe will fall on them. Were finances going South at the company? Try and hit the road running.
Link Posted: 12/10/2003 10:11:24 PM EDT
When I was laid off the first thing I wondered is if they saw me going to AR15.com downloading stuff on P2P or looking at porn. But then I thought they couldn't have because I was the IT manager, and I dont keep logs because I believe in privacy at the workplace. More then likely a site was flagged becuase of "violent" content. They looked into it and thought you would go postal. Whatever the case is they fucked you, get a lawyer.
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 2:55:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Cheat: Whatever the case is they fucked you, get a lawyer.
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How? Unless he had a contract it was probably an "at will" position or contract. In either case he is f-cked not the company.
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 3:30:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Cheat: When I was laid off the first thing I wondered is if they saw me going to AR15.com downloading stuff on P2P or looking at porn. But then I thought they couldn't have because I was the IT manager, and I dont keep logs because I believe in privacy at the workplace. More then likely a site was flagged becuase of "violent" content. They looked into it and thought you would go postal. Whatever the case is they fucked you, get a lawyer.
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Are you kidding? Privacy at the workplace doesn't include fucking off on the employer's time, using the employer's facilities and resources, does it?
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 4:01:50 AM EDT
I had a glowing review too, but they still laid me off...
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 4:10:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/11/2003 4:14:37 AM EDT by Penguin_101]
Originally Posted By KA3B: ...to drop off my security badge at the main gate and that my final check would be mailed to me... I tried to call the site manager or one of the leads with no luck. I was 'politely' requested to not contact any of them. I contacted the employment security office and filed a complaint on the phone. Perhaps this will get a response.
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Don't drop off you security badge until you get an answer. Edited to add: Even though they wont really care.
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 4:21:50 AM EDT
Good luck, keep your chin up!!!
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 8:04:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/11/2003 8:06:56 AM EDT by KA3B]
To all, thanks for the responses. Here is the deal: I was working for a sub-sub contractor as a computer deployment tech. My firm called me last night (after I had been called by the sub-contractor) and told me that the sub-contractor operations manager had called him and said that he no longer needed my services. The explination that I was given was that I had failed to meet their expectations and requirements. I asked if I could contact the operations manager to ask what I had done wrong (ask for my job back) and I was told that if I went back to my former place of work that I would be escorted off of the property and that the operations manager wanted no further contact with me. (edit) My company also told me not to call them for work as they would call me if and when a job came open. My state is an "at will" work state. I also signed a "contract" with my firm and the second item I had to initial was a statement that read something like 'may be terminated at any time by the customer with no cause or reason'. I have noticed that the sub-contractor has been hiring and firing a lot of people in the past two weeks, and in fact we had a 2 day work stoppage while they hired on 15 new people. I asked why I had initialy been called by the sub contractors office supervisor instead of my company and I was told that they wanted to make sure that I knew. And the unemployment office called me and told me that I am not elegible for unemployment compensation due to the fact that my company did not fire me. Now I understand how things work in the real world.
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 8:12:00 AM EDT
Take the Blue Pill and then gp take a nap.[;)] Sorry to hear about it especially this close to the Holiday season. BigDozer66
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 8:22:05 AM EDT
Hey man, I feel for you. Best thing is that this is STILL A GREAT COUNTRY! If you can't find work where you live go on the national job locator networks and go national. I work in a very specialized field (3500) of us only nationwide so most times someone has to die for an opening to come up. Lousy timing for the holiday season but it is sometimes economy driven. I found a "dream job" in Portland,Or and for the first 3yrs got "outstanding/exceeding expectations" evaluations from the boss. Bought a nice house and started roots with my kid. Boss starts stabbing me in the back and making false issues and those exceeds expectations go to 'needing improvement' overnight even though I am still the most productive employee of 3 in dept. I end up negotiating severance package for 3 mon. and am now working out of state with potential for a nice job in Montana. So yes it's painful to be out of town for the whole month of December but I'm bringing in the bacon along with my severance. Bottomline is I'll never work for a catholic institution again! racine
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 8:24:15 AM EDT
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...And the unemployment office called me and told me that I am not elegible for unemployment compensation due to the fact that my company did not fire me...
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That sounds about 180 degrees out of phase... "Fired" indicates you fucked up. If you get fired for not performing/screwing up, then you should not receive unemployment since you are unemployed due to you own actions. "Laid off" indicates the company is performing cost saving measures. You didn't screw up, but had to be let go for the company's survival. If that is the case, the employer is responsible for paying out your unemployment insurance... Go see a lawyer.
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 8:33:37 AM EDT
Get off this site and go to Monster.com, etc. Now-There are jobs out their. I know, 'cause I be a recruiter and I'm busier now then I have been in the last 3+ years!
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 8:53:33 AM EDT
ahh yes, what a nice christmas gift, a vacation...
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 9:15:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By KA3B: ...My state is an "at will" work state. I also signed a "contract" with my firm and the second item I had to initial was a statement that read something like 'may be terminated at any time by the customer with no cause or reason'. ...
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I work as an independent contractor. Signing employment contracts is a bit different than being a straight hire. I've learned a lot of hard lessons over the years on employment contracts but I never make the same mistake twice. If you're going to work under this kind of scenario you need to be prepared to do 3 things... 1) Read and understand the entire contract. 2) Negotiate your own terms. 3) Be prepared to walk away if the terms are not agreeable to you. Remember [b]everything[/b] is negotiable. And some terms while they may appear unfair aren't if there is reciprocity. However, I'd be willing to bet your contract states that you can be terminated at any time for any or no reason and you have to provide 2-4 weeks of formal written notice.
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 9:27:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By xanadu: First: HR owes you an explanation of the "reason" you were terminated. There should be a form you need to sign acknowledging the reason for your termination. Second, You should request and receive a copy of your personnel folder, especially the one review that has such a glowing report. Third, Don't piss and moan, go gracefully, but firmly. Request from HR that you recieve a letter of recommendation that you can use for your new job search. Finally, If you get the cold shoulder to any of the above, contact your local State workers rights office, they'll get you a response very quickly. Remember, your are not antagonistic, just requesting what the law (termination paperwork and copy of your personnel file) allows. good luck
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Xanadu is right on target with this one. There are policies and procedures to terminating an employee. This came without warning? No reviews, warnings or document follow up? Something isn't right about this one.
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 9:49:12 AM EDT
If they said you didn't meet their expectations, why did they say you were their, "go to guy" and all that happy horse shit???
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 9:51:53 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 10:12:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 1GUNRUNNER:
Originally Posted By KA3B: And the unemployment office called me and told me that I am not elegible for unemployment compensation due to the fact that my company did not fire me.
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You are elegible for unemployment in this state whether or not you are fired or laid off if you have enough accumulated hours.
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Should be. Sounds like you are being fed a line of poo poo
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 10:45:59 AM EDT
I agree it sounds out of pahse. If they let you go you, you should be eligible. That you can fight. A little more information makes a few scenarios clearer. If you are working for a sub-contractor or contract agency, such as a Volt, Manpower, etcetcetc. The contracting company can call the agency and say your services are no longer required. You're through. My bona fides (all in CAA) I have worked HR or Program Management on all sides of that situation. As a hiring manager in PM at Hughes and Hughes Technical Services, as a PM and HR type provider of people at Hughes Technical Services and Volt, provided person at a few Hughes groups via HTSC (including one spot where I was contracted in by the receiving org as a part-time PM where I contracted labor from HTCS via me in my other part-time hat) and as contract laabor from an agency and then as an independednt contractor. As a user of contract labor, my agreement with the provider is usually I can terminate at any time for any reason. This can include performance issues, finance issues (program out of money), other issues, our customer thinks you dress funny, anything. I call the provider and tell them to tell you don't bother coming back. Now if I'm a nice guy, I may tell the provider what the issue was. If it's something he needs to know, ie the employee sassed the President of the Company, passed gas in the executive dining room, was a total incompetent, then he can decide whether or not he wants to use the person again where they might posion a business relationship. If it's money, then I try to make sure both know, so they know it wasn't performance. The point is I don't have to tell anything. As a provider, I get the message, I pull the person out immediately, I (frankly) want to keep a good business relationship. If I get the information and I think I should pass it on I will. If your performance was in fact up to snuff, I'ld bet it was financial, they looked at the year-end figures and felt they needed to take quick action. Some manager someplace said, cut costs, dump all the contract folks. I've seen it happen. We hired 120 folks in a week for Boeing after they changed the job specs, they worked for a month and Boeing decided to change what they wanted us to do. Bang out they went. Luckily, Boeing consolidated the work in another sub and they almost all got hired there. And gave us another contract for similar work using all new people.
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 5:50:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By PaDanby: Listen to the guy from Tennessee, he must know what the laws are here.
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Padanby: Your sarcasm has been duly noted. Thanks for your tacit reply. KA3B - regardless of where you are located... You won't receive if you don't ask, and if you have the right attitude, and talk to the right people, you usually get what you want. If you ask for everything, you can be happy settling for something. If you act like a know-it-all, that attitude usually gets you nothing.
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 9:37:36 PM EDT
First: HR owes you an explanation of the "reason" you were terminated. There should be a form you need to sign acknowledging the reason for your termination. {blue} No requirement in CA law. If you get something it will probably say "lack of work" or something innocuous.[/blue] Second, You should request and receive a copy of your personnel folder, especially the one review that has such a glowing report. {blue] You legally can get a copy of anything you signed. Which hopefully you already have a copy of. If you didn't sign it, there is no legal requirement to provide a copy. And they can charge a reasonable copying fee and take a reasonable time to provide. [/blue] Third, Don't piss and moan, go gracefully, but firmly. Request from HR that you recieve a letter of recommendation that you can use for your new job search. [blue] never happen, no legal requirement and saying anything good about you generates the "Well why did you let me go then?" arguments and anything negative generates lawsuits. So they don't say anything. Most places won't even tell if thy fired someone for cause, and as long as they tell the truth that's legal and can be defended successfully unless it isn't true. So companies won't do it. All you need to do is get caught up in one of these "Why Why Why" arguments with a cheap lawyer to never do it again. CA has a shit load of cheap out of work lawyers that will sue a company for anything. You put your money down and they'll send a letter or make a phone call and they get the answer, "Nothing doing." I don't expect to see recommendations or personal references. In 25+ years of sourcing, wanna guess how many bad references I was given to check?? [/blue] Finally, If you get the cold shoulder to any of the above, contact your local State workers rights office, they'll get you a response very quickly. {blue] Must mean the State Labor Board or Employment Development Division. Surprise, CA has no "workers rights" office. You'ld think they would by name but nope. Once you plow through that bureaucracy, in today's state budget mess, what do you think the reaction will be when your case finally gets to the top and you are asking for things not required by law? As noted before, they are required to pay on date of termination, that they can pursue, but if you get paid in a few days, what's it worth?? 201. (a) If an employer discharges an employee, the wages earned and unpaid at the time of discharge are due and payable immediately. An employer who lays off a group of employees by reason of the termination of seasonal employment in the curing, canning, or drying of any variety of perishable fruit, fish or vegetables, shall be deemed to have made immediate payment when the wages of said employees are paid within a reasonable time as necessary for computation and payment thereof; provided, however, that the reasonable time shall not exceed 72 hours, and further provided that payment shall be made by mail to any employee who so requests and designates a mailing address therefor. (There are a few other exceptions movie work, etc where computation of immediate pay isn't feasible that are exempted in the following paragraphs.[blue}
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 1:44:00 AM EDT
My state is an "at will" state. Which means they can fire me for any reason or no reason at all. It is actually better for the employer not to give a reason. If they provide a reason it gives the person fired grounds to contest the firing and for a possible suit. Hoppy
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 3:23:12 AM EDT
Technically they are correct about unemployment if the company who sends him the check hasn't fired him. If he gets his pay from "XYZ Contractors" and works at the business of "123 Computers", he's working for XYZ, not 123. I know it's kind of screwed up but I'm in the same situation working, in essence, for 2 companies. jd1
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