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Posted: 12/27/2018 8:40:38 PM EDT
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Obviously I don't think he meant that, but I thought the same things. To me it sounds like they're going after technicalities when it should be going after the fact that they can't just make the laws up on their own without congress, which is what they're doing. I'm not a lawyer but I was thinking the same thing/had the same question(s). there are legal procedures that the .gov must follow. Laws are made by elected representatives, not regulatory agencies. My gut feeling is that Trump did this so that it would be decided in the courts and then there will be an actual legal opinion on it. The ATF has already ruled multiple times that they weren't machine guns, now the courts will say that as well......I hope. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If this lawsuit is mainly aimed at whether the Attorney General is actually the Attorney General, and whether it violates an executive order for reduction of regulations, then this suit won't go anywhere. It must be based on the illegality of the ATF's rule changing the 1934 act. That alone will be an extremely hard sell in a court system that only occasionally recognizes the 2nd Amendment at all. I'm not a lawyer but I was thinking the same thing/had the same question(s). there are legal procedures that the .gov must follow. Laws are made by elected representatives, not regulatory agencies. My gut feeling is that Trump did this so that it would be decided in the courts and then there will be an actual legal opinion on it. The ATF has already ruled multiple times that they weren't machine guns, now the courts will say that as well......I hope. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 8:43:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We are either a nation of laws or we aren’t. We need to know sooner rather that later. 
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Posted: 12/27/2018 8:44:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quite juicy indeed. That Mark Larue has helped fund Nolo. Larue made dillos. Larue sold dillos to raise money. Many bought Larue dillos to help fund this. Must eat you up inside real gooooood. Go away trollboy. Did you mean to quote member WildBoar? |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 8:49:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And Alan (wolfwood) we are a team! |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 8:52:41 PM EDT
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The final bump stock rule has been published. We filed this bump stock case on behalf of David Codrea and several other plaintiffs in D.C. As some of you may know Dave is a writer at ammoland. I'd like to take this time to thank LaRue Tactical for its fundraising efforts and all our donors. We could not be doing this without your help. Here's to a new year of reclaiming what has been stolen from us. Please take a look at the suit which is linked to below https://www.scribd.com/document/396418931/Filed-Bumpstock-Complaint-Redacted 
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Posted: 12/27/2018 8:55:02 PM EDT
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The icing on the cake: Trump cannot just change this rule as he did because of Trump 
For those who did NOT read the lawsuit: On January 30, 2017, President Trump issued Executive Order (EO) 13771. This EO is titled Reducing Regulation and Controlling RegulatoryCosts and mandates that "for every one new regulation issued, at least two prior regulations be identified for elimination." 12 81. This EO mandates that when an "agency publicly proposes for notice and comment or otherwise promulgates a new regulation, it shall identify at least two existing re gulations to be repealed." 82. However, no such information is included in the proposed rule and therefore, the proposed rule violates EO 13771 and should be rescinded and/or voided. How sweet is that irony 
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Posted: 12/27/2018 8:55:21 PM EDT
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Why are you so mad? Did you mean to quote member WildBoar? You still carrying around that fake Larue hate huh? Posting your trivial shit in bumpstock threads hoping to be edgy. Sad child. Nobody cares for your firehose. CW that you so much crave attention from don't care. They are more high class than you thought. G fans don't care. Sad sad sad. 
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:03:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote was for you. Tired of your shtick. You still carrying around that fake Larue hate huh? Posting your trivial shit in bumpstock threads hoping to be edgy. Sad child. Nobody cares for your firehose. CW that you so much crave attention from don't care. They are more high class than you thought. G fans don't care. Sad sad sad. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:20:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:31:24 PM EDT
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The final bump stock rule has been published. We filed this bump stock case on behalf of David Codrea and several other plaintiffs in D.C. As some of you may know Dave is a writer at ammoland. I'd like to take this time to thank LaRue Tactical for its fundraising efforts and all our donors. We could not be doing this without your help. Here's to a new year of reclaiming what has been stolen from us. Please take a look at the suit which is linked to below https://www.scribd.com/document/396418931/Filed-Bumpstock-Complaint-Redacted Fuck Yeah |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:31:59 PM EDT
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It's 30 pages long. Read it. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:32:30 PM EDT
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Good! |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:40:00 PM EDT
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If this lawsuit is mainly aimed at whether the Attorney General is actually the Attorney General, and whether it violates an executive order for reduction of regulations, then this suit won't go anywhere. It must be based on the illegality of the ATF's rule changing the 1934 act. That alone will be an extremely hard sell in a court system that only occasionally recognizes the 2nd Amendment at all. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:42:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please read it. It is posted in the OP. Seriously, though, thanks for the hard work spearheading the fight to preserve our rights. You guys rock. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:54:44 PM EDT
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@NoloContendere which gun rights organization do you support? http://hifico.org/ |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:58:03 PM EDT
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That was an excellent read. I will readily admit I dozed off twice during it but that is no fault of the document or the writers!
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:59:09 PM EDT
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I just took a 31 minute work shit to read that.
Very well written. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:02:18 PM EDT
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Thank you, guys, Nolo and Alan...
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:03:28 PM EDT
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Thank you! Will also buy another Nolo Dillo on the next go round
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:03:50 PM EDT
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Thanks to everyone involved with this effort. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:04:52 PM EDT
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Thank you! |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:10:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:16:46 PM EDT
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The icing on the cake: Trump cannot just change this rule as he did because of Trump
For those who did NOT read the lawsuit: On January 30, 2017, President Trump issued Executive Order (EO) 13771. This EO is titled Reducing Regulation and Controlling RegulatoryCosts and mandates that "for every one new regulation issued, at least two prior regulations be identified for elimination." 12 81. This EO mandates that when an "agency publicly proposes for notice and comment or otherwise promulgates a new regulation, it shall identify at least two existing re gulations to be repealed." 82. However, no such information is included in the proposed rule and therefore, the proposed rule violates EO 13771 and should be rescinded and/or voided. How sweet is that irony |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:22:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:33:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know you asked Nolo but my back ground is in Hawaii and let me tell you about the Hawaii Firearms Coalition which is a small grassroots group that is working with me to make Hawaii a freer place. http://hifico.org/ And what do you think of GOA? |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:42:59 PM EDT
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Page 3, point 8 has the wrong year for notice of proposed rule making
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:45:09 PM EDT
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Outstanding!
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Posted: 12/27/2018 10:56:06 PM EDT
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Excellent work gentlemen!
I have a round 4 Dillo coming....I was not quick enough to get in on the first 3. Pleased to be supporting your efforts! |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 11:02:14 PM EDT
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I did. I'd love to have a link to a downloadable doc that doesn't require me to subscribe to Scribd. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's 30 pages long. Read it. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 11:04:08 PM EDT
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Subscribed
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Posted: 12/27/2018 11:08:18 PM EDT
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Thank you! Will also buy another Nolo Dillo on the next go round 
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Posted: 12/27/2018 11:12:29 PM EDT
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Never heard of them, Ill take a look. Speaking of Hawaii , what do you think about this? https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Hawaii-Says-Cops-From-Out-Of-State-Can-t-Carry-Guns-Despite-Federal-Law/5-2177981/ And what do you think of GOA? As to the Hawaii deal that is how Hawaii has always been that is not new. TTAG just pulled up a 2015 AG opinion. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 11:15:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like GOA. I've meet Larry and Erich and they were both very nice to me. I think of the major gun rights orgs they are the ones that believe the most. That said they either don't have the money or the desire to litigate cases. For the most part they stick to lobbying most like because they are most comfortable with that side of things. As to the Hawaii deal that is how Hawaii has always been that is not new. TTAG just pulled up a 2015 AG opinion.
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Posted: 12/27/2018 11:24:29 PM EDT
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Gets called out for being an ass then gets all serious. Nice.
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Posted: 12/27/2018 11:31:15 PM EDT
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Gets called out for being an ass then gets all serious. Nice. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 11:36:18 PM EDT
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Stop ruining the thread. 
Still a clown with your coc bullshit avatar. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 11:41:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/27/2018 11:47:59 PM EDT
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This is the best news I heard in a long time. THANKS!!!
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Posted: 12/28/2018 12:03:51 AM EDT
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Thank you, gentlemen.
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Posted: 12/28/2018 12:07:30 AM EDT
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I've been awful quite these threads, mostly because I am so fucking mad with all that has been going on. Old school tag for the dillo sale. Donated all my Christmas $ to GOA. Donated more with today's paycheck.
People I know that know I have a bumpsaw ask me all the time about this. THANK YOU Nolo, Mark and Wolfwood for all you are doing on our behalf. I wish I could do more. Everyone wish me good luck when I throw $60 in the megabucks machine tomorrow 
If I win most of the 1st year payout will go to Nolo. I also created a new D2 character. 
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Posted: 12/28/2018 12:10:58 AM EDT
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Well said. SG go climb back in your hole. You are not welcomed here.
TBF I dont get the whole Larue vs G thing as it relates to CW, nor do I really care. I hope that doesnt make me a bad CW'er |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 12:13:09 AM EDT
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Good job. I would LMAO if DOJ ended up having to declare an amnesty. If done once it can be done again as mentioned in the filing. |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 12:13:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2018 12:21:13 AM EDT
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Give em hell. |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 12:22:15 AM EDT
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Thank you! Will also buy another Nolo Dillo on the next go round |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 12:24:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And Alan (wolfwood) we are a team! @NoloContendere |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 12:35:59 AM EDT
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Although limited edition fundraising spite stocks after your victory might sell quick for another cash injection.
If you're reading Mark, do a Nolo/Codrea limited RAT bump stock after the victory. They'd sell out in minutes. Maybe Nolo Dillo owners only? Lots of cool business and fundraising options with this one.
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Posted: 12/28/2018 12:37:12 AM EDT
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OST
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Posted: 12/28/2018 12:40:46 AM EDT
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Gets called out for being an ass then gets all serious. Nice. |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 12:48:53 AM EDT
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Sweet!
The funny thing is,I read the entire thing and actually understood it. I’m not a lawyer or government goon lol. It’s very simple and plain. |
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