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Posted: 1/21/2019 7:23:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
! Dragons, we all know they used to exist until those knights slayed them all. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Dragonfire burns hot enough... I say it’s gotta be dragons. Maybe the Incas (or whoever before them) had dragon mascots and used them to melt the rocks? 
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Posted: 1/21/2019 7:24:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi: Yeah. I agree that one is odd. Probabilities very low. Yet, those two molten spots in that fountain are intriguing. It's a pity there are no serious studies about it and possible causes for that occurrence. It does not seem to occur anywhere else in that region. Did you see the Seven Cities park photos? Those structures also look odd. I wonder if those are sculpted stone blocks assembled together or massive stone blocks that fragmented into polygonal shapes when cooling down (or whatever method or phenomenon created them). What seven citys park photos? Are they in this thread because ive been following along since the beginning. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 7:25:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi: Not all. There's that theory of one running amok in SE Asia and responsible for that MH317 flight disappearance. The remaining dragons are kept in that secret Japanese aircraft carrier stationed in a Nazi base somewhere in Antarctica. Maybe the Incas (or whoever before them) had dragon mascots and used them to melt the rocks? |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 7:27:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi:
Not all. There's that theory of one running amok in SE Asia and responsible for that MH317 flight disappearance. The remaining dragons are kept in that secret Japanese aircraft carrier stationed in a Nazi base somewhere in Antarctica. Maybe the Incas (or whoever before them) had dragon mascots and used them to melt the rocks? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi:
Originally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Dragonfire burns hot enough... I say it’s gotta be dragons. Maybe the Incas (or whoever before them) had dragon mascots and used them to melt the rocks? |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 7:31:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi: There always be tons of opportunists trying to make a buck on anything. Just keep your minds open. Do not assume or let bias on the way. Remember: When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. 
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Posted: 1/21/2019 7:39:21 PM EDT
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[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
Who knows for sure, mother nature is pretty wild. What seven citys park photos? Are they in this thread because ive been following along since the beginning. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By Rossi: Yeah. I agree that one is odd. Probabilities very low. Yet, those two molten spots in that fountain are intriguing. It's a pity there are no serious studies about it and possible causes for that occurrence. It does not seem to occur anywhere else in that region. Did you see the Seven Cities park photos? Those structures also look odd. I wonder if those are sculpted stone blocks assembled together or massive stone blocks that fragmented into polygonal shapes when cooling down (or whatever method or phenomenon created them). What seven citys park photos? Are they in this thread because ive been following along since the beginning. Here it is: https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/parque-nacional-de-sete-cidades ETA: the natives' legends talk about people who lived there and simply disappeared. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 7:46:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jacko100:
They have no idea how it was done, they just know how it wasn't done. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jacko100:
Originally Posted By Rossi:
There always be tons of opportunists trying to make a buck on anything. Just keep your minds open. Do not assume or let bias on the way. Remember: When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 8:21:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi: I linked to the article in a post in the previous page. I was talking about a former professor and he used to mention this site quite a bit. Here it is: https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/parque-nacional-de-sete-cidades ETA: the natives' legends talk about people who lived there and simply disappeared. Convince me this one doesnt look like a dogs head...  We would be seeing it from the side, as we're just behind the left floppy ear. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 8:40:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
Oh yeah, that is absolutely weird looking. Convince me this one doesnt look like a dogs head... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/464920/Screenshot_2019-01-21-19-18-09-816819.png We would be seeing it from the side, as we're just behind the left floppy ear. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By Rossi:
I linked to the article in a post in the previous page. I was talking about a former professor and he used to mention this site quite a bit. Here it is: https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/parque-nacional-de-sete-cidades ETA: the natives' legends talk about people who lived there and simply disappeared. Convince me this one doesnt look like a dogs head... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/464920/Screenshot_2019-01-21-19-18-09-816819.png We would be seeing it from the side, as we're just behind the left floppy ear. Imagination aside. I wonder what caused that formation. On a first look it looks like something that flowed over an irregular ground, cooled down and broke into those polygonal shapes. But it has openings like doors and chimneys, or towers that are perfectly vertical and do not look natural.  Attached FileAnother seems perfectly excavated (very straight walls - not natural) with something that looks like a tunnel under an overpass. The overpass has that same cracking on part of its surface, which is what making me leaning towards the natural formation.  Attached FileHowever, the lava formations I've seen look like this. Not like that polygonal cracked shape.  Attached FileAll this shows that we know very few about Earth's actual History. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 8:47:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi: And the other one in the background looks like a turtle poking its head out of the shell? Imagination aside. I wonder what caused that formation. On a first look it looks like something that flowed over an irregular ground, cooled down and broke into those polygonal shapes. But it has openings like doors and chimneys, or towers that are perfectly vertical and do not look natural. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/23205bd1c7b8cdbb281225cde9684bbd5d289ab3_jpg-816846.JPG Another seems perfectly excavated (very straight walls - not natural) with something that looks like a tunnel under an overpass. The overpass has that same cracking on part of its surface, which is what making me leaning towards the natural formation. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/67e6d463dcb62d68bf402360aec16450a899f997_jpg-816847.JPG However, the lava formations I've seen look like this. Not like that polygonal cracked shape. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/lava_jpg-816851.JPG All this shows that we know very few about Earth's actual History. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 8:51:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
Pretty strange for sure. I have to start taking vacations, I should go see some of those places. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By Rossi: And the other one in the background looks like a turtle poking its head out of the shell? Imagination aside. I wonder what caused that formation. On a first look it looks like something that flowed over an irregular ground, cooled down and broke into those polygonal shapes. But it has openings like doors and chimneys, or towers that are perfectly vertical and do not look natural. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/23205bd1c7b8cdbb281225cde9684bbd5d289ab3_jpg-816846.JPG Another seems perfectly excavated (very straight walls - not natural) with something that looks like a tunnel under an overpass. The overpass has that same cracking on part of its surface, which is what making me leaning towards the natural formation. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/67e6d463dcb62d68bf402360aec16450a899f997_jpg-816847.JPG However, the lava formations I've seen look like this. Not like that polygonal cracked shape. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/lava_jpg-816851.JPG All this shows that we know very few about Earth's actual History. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 8:54:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi: I definitely have Peru in my bucket's list. This thread reminded me of that place in Brazil, so I'll also try to make a stop there. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:02:30 PM EDT
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 Attached FileWith cuts like this, it makes me wonder if the shapes were planned out in advance or if they were designed on the fly based on the shape of the stones that were quarried |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:20:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/36058/InceWalls01_JPG-814433.JPG With cuts like this, it makes me wonder if the shapes were planned out in advance or if they were designed on the fly based on the shape of the stones that were quarried |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:30:08 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Life is fun when you can just make up whatever you want, right? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Originally Posted By Rossi:
Originally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Dragonfire burns hot enough... I say it’s gotta be dragons. Maybe the Incas (or whoever before them) had dragon mascots and used them to melt the rocks? As long as you don't close out other possibilities, or demand that your idea for how it works is the ONLY Way something could have been done. It's how authors create fun books. It's how to creatvely solve problems. Get all the data you can, then see what could have produced the results seen. Aliens coming down, building everything, then leaving us on our own is a possibility, a very improbable one, but not so improbable that several movies have been made around that idea, Stargate comes to mind. That doesn't mean other things can't be considered, it really could have been tamed dragons, and after they were hunted to death because their rock moulding raised CO2 levels to the point an asteroid hit earth which made them extinct. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:32:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi: Not all. There's that theory of one running amok in SE Asia and responsible for that MH317 flight disappearance. The remaining dragons are kept in that secret Japanese aircraft carrier stationed in a Nazi base somewhere in Antarctica. Maybe the Incas (or whoever before them) had dragon mascots and used them to melt the rocks? The ultimate determination by the officials was that the airline shouldn't have left it laying around. It always does, so it was put away. No, she doesn't remember where, but if the airline wouldn't always leave it's aircraft out these things wouldn't happen. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:45:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass:
Yes! As long as you don't close out other possibilities, or demand that your idea for how it works is the ONLY Way something could have been done. It's how authors create fun books. It's how to creatvely solve problems. Get all the data you can, then see what could have produced the results seen. Aliens coming down, building everything, then leaving us on our own is a possibility, a very improbable one, but not so improbable that several movies have been made around that idea, Stargate comes to mind. That doesn't mean other things can't be considered, it really could have been tamed dragons, and after they were hunted to death because their rock moulding raised CO2 levels to the point an asteroid hit earth which made them extinct. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Originally Posted By Rossi:
Originally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Dragonfire burns hot enough... I say it’s gotta be dragons. Maybe the Incas (or whoever before them) had dragon mascots and used them to melt the rocks? As long as you don't close out other possibilities, or demand that your idea for how it works is the ONLY Way something could have been done. It's how authors create fun books. It's how to creatvely solve problems. Get all the data you can, then see what could have produced the results seen. Aliens coming down, building everything, then leaving us on our own is a possibility, a very improbable one, but not so improbable that several movies have been made around that idea, Stargate comes to mind. That doesn't mean other things can't be considered, it really could have been tamed dragons, and after they were hunted to death because their rock moulding raised CO2 levels to the point an asteroid hit earth which made them extinct. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 11:44:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi: And the other one in the background looks like a turtle poking its head out of the shell? Imagination aside. I wonder what caused that formation. On a first look it looks like something that flowed over an irregular ground, cooled down and broke into those polygonal shapes. But it has openings like doors and chimneys, or towers that are perfectly vertical and do not look natural. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/23205bd1c7b8cdbb281225cde9684bbd5d289ab3_jpg-816846.JPG Another seems perfectly excavated (very straight walls - not natural) with something that looks like a tunnel under an overpass. The overpass has that same cracking on part of its surface, which is what making me leaning towards the natural formation. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/67e6d463dcb62d68bf402360aec16450a899f997_jpg-816847.JPG However, the lava formations I've seen look like this. Not like that polygonal cracked shape. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/lava_jpg-816851.JPG All this shows that we know very few about Earth's actual History. https://www.davidwallphoto.com/detail/1936-Polygonal-basalt,-Am-Buachaille-rocks,-Staffa,-off-Isle-of-Mull,-Scotland,-United-Kingdom.html http://www.unbelievableinfo.com/2013/11/the-giants-causeway.html |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 12:28:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Rossi]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dclark77:
Polygonal rock formations are not that uncommon. https://www.davidwallphoto.com/detail/1936-Polygonal-basalt,-Am-Buachaille-rocks,-Staffa,-off-Isle-of-Mull,-Scotland,-United-Kingdom.html http://www.unbelievableinfo.com/2013/11/the-giants-causeway.html Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dclark77:
Originally Posted By Rossi: And the other one in the background looks like a turtle poking its head out of the shell? Imagination aside. I wonder what caused that formation. On a first look it looks like something that flowed over an irregular ground, cooled down and broke into those polygonal shapes. But it has openings like doors and chimneys, or towers that are perfectly vertical and do not look natural. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/23205bd1c7b8cdbb281225cde9684bbd5d289ab3_jpg-816846.JPG Another seems perfectly excavated (very straight walls - not natural) with something that looks like a tunnel under an overpass. The overpass has that same cracking on part of its surface, which is what making me leaning towards the natural formation. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/67e6d463dcb62d68bf402360aec16450a899f997_jpg-816847.JPG However, the lava formations I've seen look like this. Not like that polygonal cracked shape. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/lava_jpg-816851.JPG All this shows that we know very few about Earth's actual History. https://www.davidwallphoto.com/detail/1936-Polygonal-basalt,-Am-Buachaille-rocks,-Staffa,-off-Isle-of-Mull,-Scotland,-United-Kingdom.html http://www.unbelievableinfo.com/2013/11/the-giants-causeway.html The photos below show how thin that layer is. This could have allowed for a faster cooling even being far from the sea. Or, maybe the old civilization that lived there also had some know how about how to heat rocks up to soften them enough to conform them to the terrain.  Attached File Attached File Attached FileIn this photo we can see that the basalt layer (assuming it's indeed basalt) took two different shapes over that mound and on the lower ground. The height (layer thickness) is also very homogeneous and not random like those basalt columns.  Attached FileETA: the way these cracks create very precise lines naturally, is it possible that the old stone craftsmen in Peru somehow learned how to warm those rocks just enough to induce them artificially, thus also creating that glazing effect that paper described? One caveat on this one is that the natural cracks seem to only follow straight lines whereas the Peruvian stones have curved cuts mixed with straight ones. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 12:36:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi: They look similar indeed. The difference is that those in Brazil are like a very thin crust over some other type of rock and not those tall basalt columns. I chased a few more online photos from that place. That park is also not by the sea, where the lava would have cooled down quickly. It's way inland in a desert area. The photos below show how thin that layer is. This could have allowed for a faster cooling even being far from the sea. Or, maybe the old civilization that lived there also had some know how about how to heat rocks up to soften them enough to conform them to the terrain. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/800_fd26d07e24068ddfd3b4d4a0496d1d2b_jpg-817172.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/67e6d463dcb62d68bf402360aec16450a899f997_jpg-817175.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/setecidades34_jpg-817177.JPG In this photo we can see that the basalt layer (assuming it's indeed basalt) took two different shapes over that mound and on the lower ground. The height (layer thickness) is also very homogeneous and not random like those basalt columns. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/23205bd1c7b8cdbb281225cde9684bbd5d289ab3_jpg-817180.JPG  Mudslides, maybe glacial mud pockets being deposited over certain spots of the terrain then hardening? |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 12:47:21 AM EDT
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[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
Reading your post made me think mud. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/464920/death-valley-1-817191.jpg Mudslides, maybe glacial mud pockets being deposited over certain spots of the terrain then hardening? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By Rossi: They look similar indeed. The difference is that those in Brazil are like a very thin crust over some other type of rock and not those tall basalt columns. I chased a few more online photos from that place. That park is also not by the sea, where the lava would have cooled down quickly. It's way inland in a desert area. The photos below show how thin that layer is. This could have allowed for a faster cooling even being far from the sea. Or, maybe the old civilization that lived there also had some know how about how to heat rocks up to soften them enough to conform them to the terrain. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/800_fd26d07e24068ddfd3b4d4a0496d1d2b_jpg-817172.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/67e6d463dcb62d68bf402360aec16450a899f997_jpg-817175.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/setecidades34_jpg-817177.JPG In this photo we can see that the basalt layer (assuming it's indeed basalt) took two different shapes over that mound and on the lower ground. The height (layer thickness) is also very homogeneous and not random like those basalt columns. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/23205bd1c7b8cdbb281225cde9684bbd5d289ab3_jpg-817180.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/464920/death-valley-1-817191.jpg Mudslides, maybe glacial mud pockets being deposited over certain spots of the terrain then hardening? They might covered their shelters with clay and then glazed them? The appearance is really identical. ETA: how are those rocks moving/sliding over that mud? Wind? There are no footprints around them. Must be a hell of a wind to do that. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 1:17:00 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Reason applied to facts is what solves problems, not making up whatever you want and saying that’s what happened. The former is how shit gets figured out. The latter is how people create entertainment. People who think the latter is the same as the former live in la-la land, believe everything they see on YouTube, and generally think they’re a whole lot smarter than they are because they project other people’s imagination over their own desires to escape reality (which they think is mundane and boring, having never looked at it in detail, preferring fantasyland). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Originally Posted By brass:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Originally Posted By Rossi:
Originally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Dragonfire burns hot enough... I say it’s gotta be dragons. Maybe the Incas (or whoever before them) had dragon mascots and used them to melt the rocks? As long as you don't close out other possibilities, or demand that your idea for how it works is the ONLY Way something could have been done. It's how authors create fun books. It's how to creatvely solve problems. Get all the data you can, then see what could have produced the results seen. Aliens coming down, building everything, then leaving us on our own is a possibility, a very improbable one, but not so improbable that several movies have been made around that idea, Stargate comes to mind. That doesn't mean other things can't be considered, it really could have been tamed dragons, and after they were hunted to death because their rock moulding raised CO2 levels to the point an asteroid hit earth which made them extinct. Imagine all the time and theories put into Anachronistic Artifacts (incomplete list) which have been shown to be hoaxes, how many things of "ancient knowledge" started out as lies and became 'the story", and how archaeologists know a lot about some stuff, but most of their assumptions of how it was done are extremely narrow, however, that doesn't stop them from putting forth some dumb explanation of why something is the way it is, they can't just say "We don't know", they come up with dumb theories. This opens the door to whacky theories that sadly make more sense than 'official story', and catch on. If archaeologists would collaborate with others in a wide array of disciplines before making statements, they'd fare better. They've gotten better, but that cycle was started in the 1970s or earlier from archaeologists not being able to say "we don't know" instead of putting forth a big explanation they can't absolutely prove. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 1:19:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi:
That makes much more sense. Somehow the folks in Brazil managed to glaze that mud into a hard surface. They might covered their shelters with clay and then glazed them? The appearance is really identical. ETA: how are those rocks moving/sliding over that mud? Wind? There are no footprints around them. Must be a hell of a wind to do that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi:
Originally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By Rossi: They look similar indeed. The difference is that those in Brazil are like a very thin crust over some other type of rock and not those tall basalt columns. I chased a few more online photos from that place. That park is also not by the sea, where the lava would have cooled down quickly. It's way inland in a desert area. The photos below show how thin that layer is. This could have allowed for a faster cooling even being far from the sea. Or, maybe the old civilization that lived there also had some know how about how to heat rocks up to soften them enough to conform them to the terrain. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/800_fd26d07e24068ddfd3b4d4a0496d1d2b_jpg-817172.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/67e6d463dcb62d68bf402360aec16450a899f997_jpg-817175.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/setecidades34_jpg-817177.JPG In this photo we can see that the basalt layer (assuming it's indeed basalt) took two different shapes over that mound and on the lower ground. The height (layer thickness) is also very homogeneous and not random like those basalt columns. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/23205bd1c7b8cdbb281225cde9684bbd5d289ab3_jpg-817180.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/464920/death-valley-1-817191.jpg Mudslides, maybe glacial mud pockets being deposited over certain spots of the terrain then hardening? They might covered their shelters with clay and then glazed them? The appearance is really identical. ETA: how are those rocks moving/sliding over that mud? Wind? There are no footprints around them. Must be a hell of a wind to do that. Sailing Stones Though they were a paranormal activity and all sorts of whack ideas prior to actual research. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 1:28:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass:
@Rossi Sailing Stones Though they were a paranormal activity and all sorts of whack ideas prior to actual research. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass:
Originally Posted By Rossi:
Originally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By Rossi: They look similar indeed. The difference is that those in Brazil are like a very thin crust over some other type of rock and not those tall basalt columns. I chased a few more online photos from that place. That park is also not by the sea, where the lava would have cooled down quickly. It's way inland in a desert area. The photos below show how thin that layer is. This could have allowed for a faster cooling even being far from the sea. Or, maybe the old civilization that lived there also had some know how about how to heat rocks up to soften them enough to conform them to the terrain. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/800_fd26d07e24068ddfd3b4d4a0496d1d2b_jpg-817172.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/67e6d463dcb62d68bf402360aec16450a899f997_jpg-817175.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/setecidades34_jpg-817177.JPG In this photo we can see that the basalt layer (assuming it's indeed basalt) took two different shapes over that mound and on the lower ground. The height (layer thickness) is also very homogeneous and not random like those basalt columns. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/23205bd1c7b8cdbb281225cde9684bbd5d289ab3_jpg-817180.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/464920/death-valley-1-817191.jpg Mudslides, maybe glacial mud pockets being deposited over certain spots of the terrain then hardening? They might covered their shelters with clay and then glazed them? The appearance is really identical. ETA: how are those rocks moving/sliding over that mud? Wind? There are no footprints around them. Must be a hell of a wind to do that. Sailing Stones Though they were a paranormal activity and all sorts of whack ideas prior to actual research. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 1:35:48 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WinstonSmith:
MH317 wasn't a dragon, my wife put it away. The ultimate determination by the officials was that the airline shouldn't have left it laying around. It always does, so it was put away. No, she doesn't remember where, but if the airline wouldn't always leave it's aircraft out these things wouldn't happen. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WinstonSmith:
Originally Posted By Rossi: Not all. There's that theory of one running amok in SE Asia and responsible for that MH317 flight disappearance. The remaining dragons are kept in that secret Japanese aircraft carrier stationed in a Nazi base somewhere in Antarctica. Maybe the Incas (or whoever before them) had dragon mascots and used them to melt the rocks? The ultimate determination by the officials was that the airline shouldn't have left it laying around. It always does, so it was put away. No, she doesn't remember where, but if the airline wouldn't always leave it's aircraft out these things wouldn't happen. 
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Posted: 1/22/2019 1:39:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass:
The fact that people cannot tell when I'm saying something in jest and saying it is scientific is a sad state of our society today. Imagine all the time and theories put into Anachronistic Artifacts (incomplete list) which have been shown to be hoaxes, how many things of "ancient knowledge" started out as lies and became 'the story", and how archaeologists know a lot about some stuff, but most of their assumptions of how it was done are extremely narrow, however, that doesn't stop them from putting forth some dumb explanation of why something is the way it is, they can't just say "We don't know", they come up with dumb theories. This opens the door to whacky theories that sadly make more sense than 'official story', and catch on. If archaeologists would collaborate with others in a wide array of disciplines before making statements, they'd fare better. They've gotten better, but that cycle was started in the 1970s or earlier from archaeologists not being able to say "we don't know" instead of putting forth a big explanation they can't absolutely prove. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Originally Posted By brass:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Originally Posted By Rossi:
Originally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Dragonfire burns hot enough... I say it’s gotta be dragons. Maybe the Incas (or whoever before them) had dragon mascots and used them to melt the rocks? As long as you don't close out other possibilities, or demand that your idea for how it works is the ONLY Way something could have been done. It's how authors create fun books. It's how to creatvely solve problems. Get all the data you can, then see what could have produced the results seen. Aliens coming down, building everything, then leaving us on our own is a possibility, a very improbable one, but not so improbable that several movies have been made around that idea, Stargate comes to mind. That doesn't mean other things can't be considered, it really could have been tamed dragons, and after they were hunted to death because their rock moulding raised CO2 levels to the point an asteroid hit earth which made them extinct. Imagine all the time and theories put into Anachronistic Artifacts (incomplete list) which have been shown to be hoaxes, how many things of "ancient knowledge" started out as lies and became 'the story", and how archaeologists know a lot about some stuff, but most of their assumptions of how it was done are extremely narrow, however, that doesn't stop them from putting forth some dumb explanation of why something is the way it is, they can't just say "We don't know", they come up with dumb theories. This opens the door to whacky theories that sadly make more sense than 'official story', and catch on. If archaeologists would collaborate with others in a wide array of disciplines before making statements, they'd fare better. They've gotten better, but that cycle was started in the 1970s or earlier from archaeologists not being able to say "we don't know" instead of putting forth a big explanation they can't absolutely prove. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 1:43:32 AM EDT
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Fascinating! Always learning something new. Thanks! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi:
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Originally Posted By Rossi: They look similar indeed. The difference is that those in Brazil are like a very thin crust over some other type of rock and not those tall basalt columns. I chased a few more online photos from that place. That park is also not by the sea, where the lava would have cooled down quickly. It's way inland in a desert area. The photos below show how thin that layer is. This could have allowed for a faster cooling even being far from the sea. Or, maybe the old civilization that lived there also had some know how about how to heat rocks up to soften them enough to conform them to the terrain. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/800_fd26d07e24068ddfd3b4d4a0496d1d2b_jpg-817172.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/67e6d463dcb62d68bf402360aec16450a899f997_jpg-817175.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/setecidades34_jpg-817177.JPG In this photo we can see that the basalt layer (assuming it's indeed basalt) took two different shapes over that mound and on the lower ground. The height (layer thickness) is also very homogeneous and not random like those basalt columns. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/23205bd1c7b8cdbb281225cde9684bbd5d289ab3_jpg-817180.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/464920/death-valley-1-817191.jpg Mudslides, maybe glacial mud pockets being deposited over certain spots of the terrain then hardening? They might covered their shelters with clay and then glazed them? The appearance is really identical. ETA: how are those rocks moving/sliding over that mud? Wind? There are no footprints around them. Must be a hell of a wind to do that. Sailing Stones Though they were a paranormal activity and all sorts of whack ideas prior to actual research. The bias is unavoidable, but some is just too "in your face" to be in an encyclopedia entry. Most should be moved to "Effects of Burning Coal" in the climate voodoo section, but those splits have always been denied by senior editors. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 1:47:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi:
I wonder if the grant system and the pressure to produce "some theory" or even "something" contributed a lot to this. For example, I do not doubt for a minute that a lot of the "global warming" thing got a lot of impulse because that was the topic funding more "researches" and "results". If someone said "I don't know" or "not conclusive" they would not get grants to continue the "researches". In the archaeology side, it appears that some folks also got some pressure and if coming up with something radical they end-up in fringe publications. My personal feeling is that there are still many gaps remaining to be filled in our History. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi:
Originally Posted By brass:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Originally Posted By brass:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Originally Posted By Rossi:
Originally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Dragonfire burns hot enough... I say it’s gotta be dragons. Maybe the Incas (or whoever before them) had dragon mascots and used them to melt the rocks? As long as you don't close out other possibilities, or demand that your idea for how it works is the ONLY Way something could have been done. It's how authors create fun books. It's how to creatvely solve problems. Get all the data you can, then see what could have produced the results seen. Aliens coming down, building everything, then leaving us on our own is a possibility, a very improbable one, but not so improbable that several movies have been made around that idea, Stargate comes to mind. That doesn't mean other things can't be considered, it really could have been tamed dragons, and after they were hunted to death because their rock moulding raised CO2 levels to the point an asteroid hit earth which made them extinct. Imagine all the time and theories put into Anachronistic Artifacts (incomplete list) which have been shown to be hoaxes, how many things of "ancient knowledge" started out as lies and became 'the story", and how archaeologists know a lot about some stuff, but most of their assumptions of how it was done are extremely narrow, however, that doesn't stop them from putting forth some dumb explanation of why something is the way it is, they can't just say "We don't know", they come up with dumb theories. This opens the door to whacky theories that sadly make more sense than 'official story', and catch on. If archaeologists would collaborate with others in a wide array of disciplines before making statements, they'd fare better. They've gotten better, but that cycle was started in the 1970s or earlier from archaeologists not being able to say "we don't know" instead of putting forth a big explanation they can't absolutely prove. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 1:59:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass:
Putting forth a theory is fine, it can be done in a "we don't know, but think this" manner. When the theory is then called "settled science" and used as a political tool? I'm pretty sure pet dragons melted that rock you've been looking at, and can prove it if I get a grant for $1 million to baffle with bullshit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass:
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Originally Posted By brass:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Originally Posted By brass:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Dragonfire burns hot enough... I say it’s gotta be dragons. Maybe the Incas (or whoever before them) had dragon mascots and used them to melt the rocks? As long as you don't close out other possibilities, or demand that your idea for how it works is the ONLY Way something could have been done. It's how authors create fun books. It's how to creatvely solve problems. Get all the data you can, then see what could have produced the results seen. Aliens coming down, building everything, then leaving us on our own is a possibility, a very improbable one, but not so improbable that several movies have been made around that idea, Stargate comes to mind. That doesn't mean other things can't be considered, it really could have been tamed dragons, and after they were hunted to death because their rock moulding raised CO2 levels to the point an asteroid hit earth which made them extinct. Imagine all the time and theories put into Anachronistic Artifacts (incomplete list) which have been shown to be hoaxes, how many things of "ancient knowledge" started out as lies and became 'the story", and how archaeologists know a lot about some stuff, but most of their assumptions of how it was done are extremely narrow, however, that doesn't stop them from putting forth some dumb explanation of why something is the way it is, they can't just say "We don't know", they come up with dumb theories. This opens the door to whacky theories that sadly make more sense than 'official story', and catch on. If archaeologists would collaborate with others in a wide array of disciplines before making statements, they'd fare better. They've gotten better, but that cycle was started in the 1970s or earlier from archaeologists not being able to say "we don't know" instead of putting forth a big explanation they can't absolutely prove. 
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Posted: 1/22/2019 2:06:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass:
The fact that people cannot tell when I'm saying something in jest and saying it is scientific is a sad state of our society today. Imagine all the time and theories put into Anachronistic Artifacts (incomplete list) which have been shown to be hoaxes, how many things of "ancient knowledge" started out as lies and became 'the story", and how archaeologists know a lot about some stuff, but most of their assumptions of how it was done are extremely narrow, however, that doesn't stop them from putting forth some dumb explanation of why something is the way it is, they can't just say "We don't know", they come up with dumb theories. This opens the door to whacky theories that sadly make more sense than 'official story', and catch on. If archaeologists would collaborate with others in a wide array of disciplines before making statements, they'd fare better. They've gotten better, but that cycle was started in the 1970s or earlier from archaeologists not being able to say "we don't know" instead of putting forth a big explanation they can't absolutely prove. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Originally Posted By brass:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Originally Posted By Rossi:
Originally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: Dragonfire burns hot enough... I say it’s gotta be dragons. Maybe the Incas (or whoever before them) had dragon mascots and used them to melt the rocks? As long as you don't close out other possibilities, or demand that your idea for how it works is the ONLY Way something could have been done. It's how authors create fun books. It's how to creatvely solve problems. Get all the data you can, then see what could have produced the results seen. Aliens coming down, building everything, then leaving us on our own is a possibility, a very improbable one, but not so improbable that several movies have been made around that idea, Stargate comes to mind. That doesn't mean other things can't be considered, it really could have been tamed dragons, and after they were hunted to death because their rock moulding raised CO2 levels to the point an asteroid hit earth which made them extinct. Imagine all the time and theories put into Anachronistic Artifacts (incomplete list) which have been shown to be hoaxes, how many things of "ancient knowledge" started out as lies and became 'the story", and how archaeologists know a lot about some stuff, but most of their assumptions of how it was done are extremely narrow, however, that doesn't stop them from putting forth some dumb explanation of why something is the way it is, they can't just say "We don't know", they come up with dumb theories. This opens the door to whacky theories that sadly make more sense than 'official story', and catch on. If archaeologists would collaborate with others in a wide array of disciplines before making statements, they'd fare better. They've gotten better, but that cycle was started in the 1970s or earlier from archaeologists not being able to say "we don't know" instead of putting forth a big explanation they can't absolutely prove. That is the weight of the truck plus a max weight load. So a hand made boat jointed with string and tree sap hauled the weight of 17 and a half fully loaded semis down a shallow river for hundreds of miles, then was taken apart moved back and hauled the same load again, all in a time frame of 7 months. And the obelisks and the boat were also made during that time. Archeologists actually believe that people who got conquered by an Army wielding cats as weapons did that because there is a picture of a boat on a wall somewhere. They overlook the fact that Hapshetsut also claimed to be directly related to the Sun, and that she is depicted hanging out with gods too. It makes a lot more sense that they found the obelisks, sanded off the old inscriptions and then scribed her bullshit propaganda on it. I don't beleeeve it. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 2:09:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi: That makes much more sense. Somehow the folks in Brazil managed to glaze that mud into a hard surface. They might covered their shelters with clay and then glazed them? The appearance is really identical. ETA: how are those rocks moving/sliding over that mud? Wind? There are no footprints around them. Must be a hell of a wind to do that. Maybe covered in clay then with grass, branches, bows etc. then lit on fire and presto |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 4:56:44 AM EDT
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Here you have pillowed polygonal masonry that looks fully fitted close to what looks like a Quarry. Headstoner, you might see something that will be useful to figure out how they were extracting the stone.
 Ancient Megalithic Sites Near Cusco Peru That You Likely Have Never Heard Of |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 6:45:08 AM EDT
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member that time in 1994 when a 5000+ year old city complex was dug out of desert sediment in Peru? Hell it looks like something the Inca built. It is hard to find good video of the place, so here is a sky view and some ground shots.
 Caral’s Ancient Pyramids  Caral, Peru ~ The 5,000 Year Old (?) Pyramid Ruins |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:10:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass:
member that time in 1994 when a 5000+ year old city complex was dug out of desert sediment in Peru? Hell it looks like something the Inca built. It is hard to find good video of the place, so here is a sky view and some ground shots.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPHhbD-c860 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYE1mAgV6FMhttps://www.peruforless.com/blog/caral-ruins-explore-pre-inca-civilization/ The stonework doesn't look so precise as the perfectly-fitted stones. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:45:42 AM EDT
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This is what some believe was the last Incas' stronghold before they also vanished.
 Attached Filehttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/28/perus-last-incan-city-reveals-its-secrets-its-genuinely-a-marvel The sprawling ruins are, scholars agree, the last capital of Vilcabamba: a holdout Inca state that resisted for decades after the conquistadors landed in Peru in 1532, executed the emperor Atahualpa, and occupied the Inca capital of Cusco. ... Facing an overwhelming invasion in 1572, the Incas set the city ablaze and fled into the forest. The Spanish captured Peru’s last indigenous monarch Túpac Amaru I and executed him in Cusco, bringing the Inca empire to an end. Espíritu Pampa was swallowed up by the jungle. ... In one sector of Espiritú Pampa – dominated by towering matapalo trees that grip the ruins – Fonseca pieced together a unique ceramic vessel depicting Andean and Amazonian peoples, backed up by jaguars, united in battling the mounted conquistadors. Perhaps the most intriguing discoveries at Espíritu Pampa concern the Wari – a predecessor culture to the Inca that ruled swaths of Peru between 600 and 1100AD. ... |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:54:51 AM EDT
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KBR and the got paid way to much to do it.
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:58:13 AM EDT
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The Incas seem to have been almost like the Romans of South America. This road is another marvel and I wonder how much knowledge was lost as they expanded their empire and then when the Spaniards invaded.
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33291373  Attached File Attached FileThe Inca Road is one of the most extraordinary feats of engineering in the world. By the 16th Century it had helped transform a tiny kingdom into the largest empire in the Western hemisphere. And to the envy of modern engineers, substantial parts of the 24,000-mile (39,000-km) network survive today, linking hundreds of communities throughout Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador and Peru ... "The constructions were built with seismic events in mind and that's what engineers today are excited to study - how we can benefit from that knowledge." ... The research reveals a different side to the Incas, who are often better remembered for their notorious blood lust and predilection for human sacrifice. But portraying them as environmentalists does not negate their less attractive characteristics. ... |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 9:00:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi:
They consider Caral as pre-Inca. I posted this link in the previous page. https://www.peruforless.com/blog/caral-ruins-explore-pre-inca-civilization/ The stonework doesn't look so precise as the perfectly-fitted stones. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi:
Originally Posted By waterglass:
member that time in 1994 when a 5000+ year old city complex was dug out of desert sediment in Peru? Hell it looks like something the Inca built. It is hard to find good video of the place, so here is a sky view and some ground shots. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPHhbD-c860 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYE1mAgV6FMhttps://www.peruforless.com/blog/caral-ruins-explore-pre-inca-civilization/ The stonework doesn't look so precise as the perfectly-fitted stones. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 9:17:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass:
Yeah, at least what can be seen of it. but those rocks could be re used from an even older ruined structure. To me at least it looks like they were trying to sort of capture the polygonal look. The Incan empire started in the 15th century AD and lasted less than 150 years. Caral is as much as 4500 years earlier, and could itself be built on a ruin. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass:
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member that time in 1994 when a 5000+ year old city complex was dug out of desert sediment in Peru? Hell it looks like something the Inca built. It is hard to find good video of the place, so here is a sky view and some ground shots. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPHhbD-c860 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYE1mAgV6FMhttps://www.peruforless.com/blog/caral-ruins-explore-pre-inca-civilization/ The stonework doesn't look so precise as the perfectly-fitted stones. The stonework variation clearly indicates very different cultures (civilizations) engineering and building them. The Incas were not responsible for a goof chunk of them and based on their pattern, I doubt they built the precise cut-and-fit large boulder stonework. They built on top of it. Now, how long exactly that stonework has been there and who built it? Some long gone pre-Inca civilization or some that they conquered and absorbed into their fold? |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 11:02:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass:
Here you have pillowed polygonal masonry that looks fully fitted close to what looks like a Quarry. Headstoner, you might see something that will be useful to figure out how they were extracting the stone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atoVJw2p8NgI do question some of the time frames because I think it certainly could have beem the same people making the cuts into the cliffs and building the stone houses and walls. I had to question him again when he started to assume what they thought, and what reasoning they had for doing what they did. It has always bugged me when people tell others what someone other than themselves think. A lot of the stones in the walls don't look all that difficult to move, a majority of them may be field stones gathered from right there. My house has a field stone foundation, it has small rocks above ground and some very large ones at the bottom. I figured the old farmer must have used horses and hard work to move them. A few feet of snow but you see what I mean, under ground there are some huge boulders that are fitted very well without the amount of concrete filler you see between the top stones. This it what i can see of the foundation...  This is one set of steps just for a better view...  These steps are sitting on large flat slabs of foundation granite going down about 6 feet or so, but the identical steps on the front of the house are on large rocks |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 11:36:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi:
The stonework variation clearly indicates very different cultures (civilizations) engineering and building them. The Incas were not responsible for a goof chunk of them and based on their pattern, I doubt they built the precise cut-and-fit large boulder stonework. They built on top of it. Now, how long exactly that stonework has been there and who built it? Some long gone pre-Inca civilization or some that they conquered and absorbed into their fold? We don’t know the exact date that folks proliferated that far south (and the “best guess” varies a lot based on who you ask), but it’s probably wishful thinking that there were people there 20000 years earlier (or whatever) without any actual evdence to support that assertion. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 12:00:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner: I have no idea, one thing that I instantly thought about the place with the random shapes, the "throne" and scattered work was maybe it was a school for stone workers. "Get over there and practice and dont come back until you can cut a rock!" I do question some of the time frames because I think it certainly could have beem the same people making the cuts into the cliffs and building the stone houses and walls. I had to question him again when he started to assume what they thought, and what reasoning they had for doing what they did. It has always bugged me when people tell others what someone other than themselves think. A lot of the stones in the walls don't look all that difficult to move, a majority of them may be field stones gathered from right there. My house has a field stone foundation, it has small rocks above ground and some very large ones at the bottom. I figured the old farmer must have used horses and hard work to move them. A few feet of snow but you see what I mean, under ground there are some huge boulders that are fitted very well without the amount of concrete filler you see between the top stones. This it what i can see of the foundation... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/464920/20190122_100723-817440.jpg This is one set of steps just for a better view... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/464920/20190122_100736_HDR-817442.jpg These steps are sitting on large flat slabs of foundation granite going down about 6 feet or so, but the identical steps on the front of the house are on large rocks That is pretty much what the Inca built with, mortared uncut man portable field stone. The thing is the retaining wall is far superior to the house walls. It makes no sense, the houses seem to be mortared field stone, or rough broken quarried stone... the retaining wall quarried stone that is cut and fitted and the repairs look like dog shit. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 12:35:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waterglass: We have some nice fieldstone mortar houses here. I think they look good. That is pretty much what the Inca built with, mortared uncut man portable field stone. The thing is the retaining wall is far superior to the house walls. It makes no sense, the houses seem to be mortared field stone, or rough broken quarried stone... the retaining wall quarried stone that is cut and fitted and the repairs look like dog shit. Edit: there are places in the basement where you can see the boulders, it was made so they were stacked to make a fairly flush face on the basement side. So as to not waste much concrete when finishing the inside walls. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 1:08:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
Well the retaining wall needed to retain the land behind it so it stands to reason it would be built stronger than something that had no force other than gravity acting against it. Like my house, underground the large rocks, boulders, and slabs are fitted tighter than the above ground mortared stones are because the land is pushing against it. The basement has been formed and concrete applied so you can't see anything other than basement walls but outside you can dig and see the entire thing. The bottom of my foundation is 3-4 feet thick in most places while the top above ground is only 18 inches. If the entire thing was exposed it might ook as if two different civilizations did it, but I'm sure it was the same farmer. Edit: there are places in the basement where you can see the boulders, it was made so they were stacked to make a fairly flush face on the basement side. So as to not waste much concrete when finishing the inside walls. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By waterglass: We have some nice fieldstone mortar houses here. I think they look good. That is pretty much what the Inca built with, mortared uncut man portable field stone. The thing is the retaining wall is far superior to the house walls. It makes no sense, the houses seem to be mortared field stone, or rough broken quarried stone... the retaining wall quarried stone that is cut and fitted and the repairs look like dog shit. Edit: there are places in the basement where you can see the boulders, it was made so they were stacked to make a fairly flush face on the basement side. So as to not waste much concrete when finishing the inside walls. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 1:11:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi: Another seems perfectly excavated (very straight walls - not natural) with something that looks like a tunnel under an overpass. The overpass has that same cracking on part of its surface, which is what making me leaning towards the natural formation. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/67e6d463dcb62d68bf402360aec16450a899f997_jpg-816847.JPG All this shows that we know very few about Earth's actual History. Sedimentation > Lithification> Uplift > Erosion |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 1:19:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
You say this as though it could be nothing else, but it’s every bit as possible that it was the same culture, just different architects. Surely a project of this magnitude was a multigenerational project, maybe the old timer died and his less-skilled (or just a wildly different style) protege took over (or there was a period of war/famine/whatever and it just sat there for a while). The immediate assumption that it’s far more ancient, while romantic, need not be the case at all. Different architects can (and usually do) have far different visions for the same project, even if they’re contemporaries. We don’t know the exact date that folks proliferated that far south (and the “best guess” varies a lot based on who you ask), but it’s probably wishful thinking that there were people there 20000 years earlier (or whatever) without any actual evdence to support that assertion. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Originally Posted By Rossi:
The stonework variation clearly indicates very different cultures (civilizations) engineering and building them. The Incas were not responsible for a goof chunk of them and based on their pattern, I doubt they built the precise cut-and-fit large boulder stonework. They built on top of it. Now, how long exactly that stonework has been there and who built it? Some long gone pre-Inca civilization or some that they conquered and absorbed into their fold? We don’t know the exact date that folks proliferated that far south (and the “best guess” varies a lot based on who you ask), but it’s probably wishful thinking that there were people there 20000 years earlier (or whatever) without any actual evdence to support that assertion. So, despite it's possible that the (huge) variation between the constructions could be a "generational" thing, it's highly unlikely. We can see by the photos and movies showing the works of other nations/civilizations in the region and how it appears to be an "Inca phase" in most, if not all of them. Besides, there's the dating factor as well, which shows a few of the other stoneworks pre-dating the Incas by thousands of years. So, possible? Yes. Likely? Not. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 1:22:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeJGA:
Please explain the underlined. Plenty of straight walls in the Utah National Parks. Sedimentation > Lithification> Uplift > Erosion Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeJGA:
Originally Posted By Rossi: Another seems perfectly excavated (very straight walls - not natural) with something that looks like a tunnel under an overpass. The overpass has that same cracking on part of its surface, which is what making me leaning towards the natural formation. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/67e6d463dcb62d68bf402360aec16450a899f997_jpg-816847.JPG All this shows that we know very few about Earth's actual History. Sedimentation > Lithification> Uplift > Erosion  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 1:35:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/22/2019 3:36:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi: The tunnel under this overpass looks too straight to be natural. Are there openings like this in the places you refer to? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/67e6d463dcb62d68bf402360aec16450a899f997_jpg-817531.JPG |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 6:44:23 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi:
The tunnel under this overpass looks too straight to be natural. Are there openings like this in the places you refer to? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/67e6d463dcb62d68bf402360aec16450a899f997_jpg-817531.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rossi:
Originally Posted By MikeJGA:
Originally Posted By Rossi: Another seems perfectly excavated (very straight walls - not natural) with something that looks like a tunnel under an overpass. The overpass has that same cracking on part of its surface, which is what making me leaning towards the natural formation. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/67e6d463dcb62d68bf402360aec16450a899f997_jpg-816847.JPG All this shows that we know very few about Earth's actual History. Sedimentation > Lithification> Uplift > Erosion https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/36058/67e6d463dcb62d68bf402360aec16450a899f997_jpg-817531.JPG Should be able to see texture of rock, if it is an igneous rock above it, that could have been a sand strata it sat on, which was washed away, leaving the original sand surface imprinted on the igneous rock like a mould. If it is porous, shows tool marks, etc gives a lot of clues. Geology does a lot of odd stuff, and straight lines do occur in granite pillars, we have them in the Black Hills all over, along with a couple man made granite megaliths that most people know about. Going deep in on horseback/snowmobile/ATV shows a lot of pretty much undisturbed stuff since it was a sacred place for indians here. Ocassional mine shaft opening that's collapsed 10 feet in, and odd walls of rock from the upheaval and the way it fractures, like a giant crystal. The ones to question are the flat areas that make a right angle turn, and continue flat, something like a staircase, or chair, or rectangular box with inside hollowed out, etc. Those cannot be natural. Nature has straight lines. calculating the "fractal dimension" of a photograph can pull out man made items from natural, but it's not something you'd look at and see without knowing it's there sometimes. If you want to go all geeky about it, There's this. It's nowhere as simple as one would think. |
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