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Posted: 11/28/2003 5:27:11 AM EDT
Ok, who here is a Democrat ???
Or at least not a pure blood Republican. I am registered as a Republican, but have voted accross party lines. |
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I vote the person, never, ever along party lines. What thinking person would?
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I'm registered as neither and I don't know why. I should probably get that fixed.
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Quoted: I vote the person, never, ever along party lines. What thinking person would? View Quote ditto |
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Quoted: Quoted: I vote the person, never, ever along party lines. What thinking person would? View Quote ditto View Quote What he said. |
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I am a registered as a Democrat, but I only did that so I could vote against Clinton in both the primary and the election.
I am a fiscal conservative, a libertarian, but I am not a social conservative. I usually vote Republican because the gun issue is more important to me. |
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100% Republican. And proud to say so. I have never crossed the party line.
Voted Ford and lost. Voted Reagan and won. Voted Reagan and won. Voted Bush and won. Voted Bush and lost. Voted Dole and lost. Voted Bush and won. What's really cool is there has only been two Democrat Presidents in the last 34 years. It goes all the way back to when Nixon was in to present day. Karter and Klinton were the only two elected. [ROFL2] Edited to replace the C with a K for the peanut farmer. |
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Registered democrat for local election (city & county level) purposes. Around here most democrats are more conservative and pro-gun than most west coast republicans.
For senate, house, governor, and president, 99% chance I'll vote Repub. |
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Registered Republican.
Voted for a Democrat Sherif this election because he is class III friendly. --LS |
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I used to try and examine all the candidates to make an informed choice. Then, the democrats around here started sticking together to jam it in and break it off in us. I've had no choice lately but to vote straight Republican.
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Quoted: What's really cool is there has only been two Democrat Presidents in the last 34 years. It goes all the way back to when Nixon was in to present day. Carter and Klinton were the only two elected. [ROFL2] View Quote And look at the damage they have done! |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I vote the person, never, ever along party lines. What thinking person would? View Quote ditto View Quote What he said. View Quote Ditto, what he said. Even though a 3rd party vote is wasted. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I vote the person, never, ever along party lines. What thinking person would? View Quote ditto View Quote What he said. View Quote I agree. |
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I was in college and things were a little crazy. Everyone else was doing it. I didn't want to feel left out. Ok, ok, I admit it. I voted for Gore. [BD]
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Well, as much as I would love to say, 'Me, too, me, too, I always vote for the man, not the party...', I'd be lying!
[b]With very, very rare exceptions, I [u]always[/u] vote along PARTY LINES![/b] [b]'Voting for the individual' sounds great....in a high school civics class![/b] But in the REAL WORLD, the one in which you will actually be voting, all power is divided along PARTY LINES. Which means that a moderate, pro-RKBA Democrat, such as John Dingell (D-MI) is a far [u]worse[/u] choice than some moderate, anti-RKBA Republican. Why? Because in January, 2005, the Hon. John Dingell will cast his vote to elect Richard Gephardt (D-MO) as Speaker of the House, while the unnamed moderate, anti-RKBA Republican would vote to keep Dennis Hastert (R-IL) as the Speaker. And with the Speakership goes the control of the legislative agenda, the House Calendar, committee chairmanships, committee assignments, and the 'bully pulpit' of the Speakership! How do we know that John Dingell would vote for Richard Gephardt (D-MO) as Speaker? Cause he's voted for him every since the Republicans became the majority party in Congress in 1995! While John Dingell voted against the AWB in 1994, the Democratic leadership that he was a part of, threatened, cajoled, bribed, and bullied their way to get that law passed! Some true friend of the RKBA, he is! Now, until more Democratic candidates, such as our fine Ralph Hall (D-TX), start voting their conscience rather than the Party Line, I will continue voting the Party Line, as well! Besides which, most Democrats think differently than we do about more stuff than you can shake a stick at, nowadays! So, it makes voting the Party Line for me even more attractive! Y'all do not understand that the DEMOCRAT PARTY has taken a deadly aim at the RKBA and will [u]continue[/u] to hammer away at our gun rights, and that makes (1) 'voting for the man, rather than the party' a pipedream, and (2) voting for a third party candidate a crime! Eric The(Republican)Hun[>]:)] |
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Im a regestered Democrat. I vote for the weakest Dem in the primary. I almost always vote Republican in elections.
-HS |
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Quoted: I vote the person, never, ever along party lines. What thinking person would? View Quote Same here. I vote in all elections and some positions there are no Rep. I live in a largely Dem. area so I vote for those I know and trust. The larger elections are usually straight Rep. though. I look at all the issues as well as their stance on 2nd ammend. issues |
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ETH is exactly correct at the State and National level. Having control of the House/Senate is what matters--and ALL that matters.
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So according to ETH, people are supposed to vote for any repugnant Republican just to support the RKBA, that is messed up in a major way. I understand his reasoning, but it is flawed as there are other things on the agenda that require attention, example --- capital punishment in Ohio, you had to vote for a anti gun Republican to get executions started, Ohio had about 35 on death row just watching cable tv everyday. I am sure there are some Democrats that vote pro gun.
edit because I failed to proof read -------- Also known as spell check, boy I miss it. |
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I've always voted Republican and I probably always will. The Democrats around here (and in most places) are WAY too socialistic.
I say "probably always will" because, since I'm 27, I have MANY more elections to go. In those many elections, a viable Libertartian candidate for US Senate, House, or POTUS may appear. If so, he/she WILL be getting my vote. |
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Quoted: I've always voted Republican and I probably always will. The Democrats around here (and in most places) are WAY too socialistic. I say "probably always will" because, since I'm 27, I have MANY more elections to go. In those many elections, [size=3]a viable Libertartian candidate for US Senate, House, or POTUS [/size=3]may appear. If so, he/she WILL be getting my vote. View Quote Here also, sign me -------- fed up with both the Dem's and Repub's. |
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I always vote Libertarian. They are the only ones who are truly interested in a Constitutional form of government for the this country.
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Bullshit ETH!!!!
Grassroots politics still exists in America. Get to know your candidates and hit the streets. Local politics are easier to influence and in the long run, stands the greatest chance of making the biggest difference on a national scale collectively. |
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Post from cyanide -
So according to ETH, people are supposed to vote for any repugnant Republican just to support the RKBA, that is messed up in a major way. View Quote It is? Damn, I thought my reasoning was flawless! So explain where I went wrong, if you will. I understand his reasoning, but it is flawed as there are other things on the agenda that require attention... View Quote There may well be, but none, absolutely [u]none[/u] will have a greater impact on the future of this Republic, indeed, the very existence of this Republic, than how the RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS is respected by the government. Argue all you want about taxes, abortion, same sex marriages, whatever you wish, but if the Federal government controls our weapons to the point that we have few, if any, left to us, we are simply shouting in an empty room. No one will be there to listen to us, because nothing we would say then would change [u]anything[/u] in anyones' lives. Our RKBA has the ability to change not only whether we have the power to implement desirable changes, but whether the government will continue to exist as it has in the future! And [u]that[/u] is something that the high priests of maximum government are keenly aware of and seek desperately to change. [u]Desperately[/u], do you hear? And the more THEY push, the more we must PUSH BACK against them! Until, finally, if they continue their assault on the Second Amendment, the RKBA will become an issue (if it already is not now) that will divide the nation along clear and distinct lines, the way that slavery did 150 years ago! Remember how our disagreement over slavery was resolved? By committees? By debate? By a vote? Or by a long and bloody civil war? example --- capital punishement in Ohio, you had to vote for a anti gun Republican to get executions started, Ohio had about 35 on death row just watching cable tv everyday. View Quote Yeah, ain't it just like those 'Neanderthal' Republicans to be in favor of capital punishment! So, what I would simply advise Ohioans to do is to run against this 'repugnant Republican' in the GOP's primary for this state office! I am sure there are some Democrats that vote pro gun. View Quote Sure, there are! Folks like John Dingell (D-MI) are a great example! He's on the [b]Board of Directors for the National Rifle Association[/b], fercryingoutloud, and I am certain that he never loses the opportunity to co-sponsor pro-gun legislation in the House, but....he serves a Party who has declared its intention, by act, by word, and by deed, to smother the RKBA! And, by being a member of the Leadership of the DEMOs in the House, he is just as guilty as they are! What if, on the eve of the highly controversial vote on the Assault Weapons Ban in May, 1994, our RKBA 'hero', John Dingell had stepped to the Floor of the House, and declared: [b]'Mr. Speaker. I rise today to announce my decision to vote against this Administration's, and, regretfully, my Party's, clearly unconstitutional effort to ban a class of weapons that are undeniably protected by the Second Amendment! 'This is nothing more than 'feel good' politics at its very worst, for we will not being doing one blessed thing to remove any weapons from the hands of criminals who so clearly misuse them, but we will be undermining the rights of our citizens to obtain, keep and bear the very weapons that will defend them from the very criminals that they now fear! 'And all this comes at the cost of weakening one of the cornerstones of our Republic! 'It is my intention, should this measure pass, that I will join my friends on the other side of the aisle, who agree with me, and with the Founding Fathers, on the beauty, the wisdom, and the righteousness of the right of the people to keep and bear arms. 'It is necessary for the security of a free state, and of a free people. 'Should this measure be passed at the insistence of the Clinton Administration and the leadership of my Party, I further declare my intent to run as a Republican in this Fall's elections, and I ask the people of my district in Michigan to support me in my endeavor, as I support them in the exercise of their inalienable rights, granted by God, and secured by our Constitution.'[/b] NOW! What do you think the final vote would have been had the Hon. John Dingell made such a statement? The measure passed the House 216-214, so any change in votes caused by this speech and his declared intentions, would likely have given many, many others who were being bribed, bullied, etc., the courage to do the same! But, we will never know, will we? For, to his everlasting shame, this Life Member of the NRA and member of its Board of Directors, did not make such an announcement, did he? Not so 'honorable', now, is he? Eric The(IRestMyCase)Hun[>]:)] |
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I'm a registered Democrat.
I troll the caucuses, not because I am trying to submarine them but because I'd like to see the "true" democratic party (not the socialist / communist party) come back. I hate the party system, but if we're going to have it we need two strong parties. When I go to the caucuses, I try to steer people toward the views of Zell Miller. When they refuse, I cast my "primary" votes for the most absurd looney Democrat with a chance. In the main elections, I have been voting Repub consistently, and will continue to do so. We need to get a filibuster proof majority of repubs in the Senate. ITS ALL ABOUT THE JUDGES, FOLKS. Here's a link from our friend Keven, if you can't see why: [url]http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2003_11_16_smallestminority_archive.html#106952155045860520[/url] |
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Post from BenDover -
Bullshit ETH!!!! View Quote Feeling a tad 'heady' this morning, are we? [:D] Grassroots politics still exists in America. View Quote Sure it does! How do you think that the anti-RKBA folks have so entirely captured the Democrat Party? And how do you think that we have so well captured the Republican Party? And, when I use the term 'we', I mean those of us who give a dip about the RKBA! YMMV! Get to know your candidates and hit the streets. View Quote If you are a Democrat, you will simply not find any support for the RKBA from the local Democrat Party, the State Democrat Party, or the National Democrat Party! Local politics are easier to influence and in the long run, stands the greatest chance of making the biggest difference on a national scale collectively. View Quote As I say, the Republican Party responds to the folks who make up its membership. And that membership, by and large, is extremely pro-RKBA! But, Oh, [b]Ben[/b]! I know now where you got your Board name! But, enough talk! As we say in Texas: [b]Get it done, Son![/b] We will all be looking in earnest, next Fall, to see how the [b]BenDover Grassroots And Take It Back Like A Man Campaign[/b] fares in Ohio! What's your congressional delegation makeup now? I will bet you that [b]Texas[/b] increases its House make-up by at least 4 new Republicans! What will you bet me about Ohio? [:D] Wiil you rise to this challenge? Eric The(OrWillYouBenDover)Hun[>]:)] |
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I am really tired of all the rhetoric of the neo-cons that claim a third party vote is a wasted vote, and that there are no other viable canidates other than tweedle dee and tweedle dum.
It is all in your minds, you believe this tripe, because you choose too, not because it is fact. True freemen would never say such garbage. |
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Good grief, the only folks I ever hear use the term 'neo-con' are the Left Wing, the DUhers, liberty86, and Lyndon LaRouche folks?
Oh, yeah, the libearl-azzed national media! A lot of heroes there, indeed! Eric The(Paleo-Con)Hun[>]:)] |
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It is? Damn, I thought my reasoning was flawless! View Quote Well is isn't. So explain where I went wrong, if you will. View Quote I think Bendover did that quite well, you just refuse to accept it. Our RKBA has the ability to change not only whether we have the power to implement desirable changes, but whether the government will continue to exist as it has in the future! View Quote Not so --- Technology in the military has made this a moot point, if the government ever goes rogue on the people, the puny arms that the majority have would just be a small thorn in the military's side. cyanide the cynic |
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Quoted: There may well be, but none, absolutely [u]none[/u] will have a greater impact on the future of this Republic, indeed, the very existence of this Republic, than how the RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS is respected by the government. View Quote You mean, like how they respect it now? |
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I am a fiscally conservative, libertarian leaning, independant, with anarchistic tendancies.
I vote the whatever candidate is most supporteive of my world view, regaurdless of political party. |
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Quoted: Quoted: There may well be, but none, absolutely [u]none[/u] will have a greater impact on the future of this Republic, indeed, the very existence of this Republic, than how the RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS is respected by the government. View Quote You mean, like how they respect it now? View Quote Yeah like GW, Ashcroft and the rest support RKBA........ |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There may well be, but none, absolutely [u]none[/u] will have a greater impact on the future of this Republic, indeed, the very existence of this Republic, than how the RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS is respected by the government. View Quote You mean, like how they respect it now? View Quote Yeah like GW, Ashcroft and the rest support RKBA........ View Quote Exactly. Republicans, democrats, the only difference is in their time frame. |
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I vote guns, and only guns. Guns are the most important thing in life. Siblings, Parents, Spouses will some day die, and no matter how strong they were, a dead relative or loved one can't wield the power that you can with a gun. You own guns to defend yourself, and loved ones, and anybody who wants to take guns away wants to harm you and your loved ones. while my parents, children, wife and friends may get sick, or die, guns are our only real saviors on earth. Thats why I vote guns, and only guns.
Remember, guns matter the MOST. |
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Quoted: Post from BenDover - We will all be looking in earnest, next Fall, to see how the [b]BenDover Grassroots And Take It Back Like A Man Campaign[/b] fares in Ohio! What's your congressional delegation makeup now? I will bet you that [b]Texas[/b] increases its House make-up by at least 4 new Republicans! What will you bet me about Ohio? [:D] Wiil you rise to this challenge? Eric The(OrWillYouBenDover)Hun[>]:)] View Quote Grassroots campaign is alive and well in my part of the woods. We communicate with our district state reps and heavily on the local level. One of the original CCW co-sponsors in OH is the state rep in my district. There's more good ol' boys in my neck of the woods to make noise. It's the major metros that are a holdout. But then again, that's also why I moved to the smaller pond - you can be a much bigger fish. BTW... Cincinnati is the biggest Republic fundraiser in the nation... and proud of it. Too bad the city council is comprised of a bunch of fruitcakes, but everyone knows that the Cincinnati Business Committee runs the place anyway. |
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i agree with ETH on this one, i really think its funny when people tell me they "vote for the best canidate, not with a party"
if a person has any sort of political ideology they will end up usually voting with the same party. |
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[b]I will be a registered Democrat very soon. Then I can vote in my state's primary election for Howard Dean. He's the best [u]realistic[/u] Democratic candidate to ensure a GWBush landslide in the '04 General Election. WHOO-HOO!!![/b] [img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20031124/capt.sge.hvh28.241103070028.photo00.default-384x235.jpg[/img] [b]EDITED: And if the summer/fall polls show GWBush trouncing "Mean Dean", GW will be much less likely to want to (or need to) sign any gun laws just to pander to the moderate soccer moms.[/b] |
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I vote for the person, not the party. The majority of the time, I vote for the Republican.
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I'm NEITHER.
I'm a Libertarian / borderline Republican. If there's a viable Libertarian candidate, he WILL get my vote; otherwise Republican will probably be the choice. |
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any questions? |
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I don't think I have ever crossed party lines either. I am a registered republican with libertarian leanings also. I think this is one situation in life, where a label is important. If a candidate put an (R) next to his name, and is endorsed by the local (R) party, that (R) gives me a pretty good indication of what his/her belief structure consists of. This also works with the little (D) symbol you sometimes see used. I pretty much avoid voting for those that use the (D) symbol because those who use it do NOT have the same belief system that I do. They have saved me the trouble of researching their beliefs by self identifying (incriminating) themselves as (D)ers!!! This saves me much time during voting season.
I have a good friend here who ran for the county legislature in 2002 (he lost by 123 votes) and while I really like the guy, because he had the little (D) symbol next to his name, I didn't vote for him. I'll continue to use this system until a better one becomes available. |
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I'm a registered independent, issue-by-issue voting American. I believe that partisan politics and internal bickering between political parties (not to mention mud-slinging) is a major problem in the United States. We need to remember that we're all on the same side. Just my two bucks.
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[url]http://decisivedesign.biz/kirkphotos/chart.jpg[/url] View Quote I seriously doubt that TONY BLAIR is to the right of the center horizontal line. I don't fucking believe that. I don't think he would either!! |
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I'm registered as a Democrat, but only so I can fvck with their primaries.
I'm voting for Kucinich! [lol] |
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You know, the only mud slinging I see going on is from the demonrats.
I think the Repubs need to learn to sling a little mud of their own. But what little they do sling is usually the mud thrown at them by the (D) party that they scrape off themselves and throw back, with limp wrists I might add. Part of me wishes they would grow some balls and fight fire with fire. The other part is proud that we at least try not to stoop to their level. |
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