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Posted: 11/29/2018 5:09:08 PM EDT
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The President doesn't have the authority to unilaterally change legislatively codified definitions. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 5:35:28 PM EDT
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Only "bump stocks" that harness recoil energy or continue firing without conscious willful manipulation of the trigger by the shooter are covered. The devices most people own do not harness any of the recoil energy at all, it is all expended in travel and collision with the back of the stock. The stock merely constrains the rearward motion. It provides means to convert the recoil energy into forward motion unless a spring is installed, and that is not how the devices people largely own are sold.
Likewise, willful and conscious manipulation of the trigger is required by the shooter for each shot by application of forward pressure by the off hand of the assembly holding the trigger in order to contact the resting finger anr pull the trigger. If the shooter does not willfully apply this forward pressure to manipulate the trigger for each shot, the shooting immeriately stops. Thus the devices most people own are not "bumpstocks" as defined by the ATF and are not covered by the rule. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 5:40:12 PM EDT
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Only "bump stocks" that harness recoil energy or continue firing without conscious willful manipulation of the trigger by the shooter are covered. The devices most people own do not harness any of the recoil energy at all, it is all expended in travel and collision with the back of the stock. The stock merely constrains the rearward motion. It provides means to convert the recoil energy into forward motion unless a spring is installed, and that is not how the devices people largely own are sold. Likewise, willful and conscious manipulation of the trigger is required by the shooter for each shot by application of forward pressure by the off hand of the assembly holding the trigger in order to contact the resting finger anr pull the trigger. If the shooter does not willfully apply this forward pressure to manipulate the trigger for each shot, the shooting immeriately stops. Thus the devices most people own are not "bumpstocks" as defined by the ATF and are not covered by the rule. 
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Posted: 11/29/2018 5:41:46 PM EDT
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Tell it to the judge. Watch your head as you enter the backseat of the police car. Tell it to the Checka. Watch your head as you enter the gulag... |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 5:43:15 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/327887/Trump2a_JPG-755301.JPG Don't worry. the machine gun registry will be open any day now  
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Posted: 11/29/2018 5:50:07 PM EDT
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This is ridiculous. They aren't even serialized. They would effectively be making funny-shaped pieces of plastic into contraband. 
If this goes through, it will carve a large enough piece off of Trump's base that he will not likely be re-elected. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 5:57:02 PM EDT
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The President doesn't have the authority to unilaterally change legislatively codified definitions. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 5:57:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2018 5:59:05 PM EDT
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NRA Negotiating Rights Away Never blame the do nothing NYC liberal and admit you’ve been conned |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 6:01:02 PM EDT
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QFT Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is ridiculous. They aren't even serialized. They would effectively be making funny-shaped pieces of plastic into contraband.
If this goes through, it will carve a large enough piece off of Trump's base that he will not likely be re-elected. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 6:02:08 PM EDT
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90 days to hand them over or otherwise dispose of them. 
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Posted: 11/29/2018 6:03:41 PM EDT
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No.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 6:07:13 PM EDT
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Trump is pissing off his base bad.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 6:07:18 PM EDT
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Gun control only leads to more gun control.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 6:10:00 PM EDT
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Trump is pissing off his base bad. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 6:10:55 PM EDT
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The President doesn't "sign" Federal Regulations. Just pointing that out for consideration before you all start going full-on Nevertrumper.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 6:11:09 PM EDT
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They need to realize that Trump is doing this to trick people into thinking he’s pro gun control. All we need to do is re-elect him and then the real progress on gun rights can start. He has only been president for 2 years, people need to be patient and trust that he will deliver. Only concern trolls are saying this is a big deal, real MAGApedes need to stand strong, even if it means letting things be temporarily confiscated. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Trump is pissing off his base bad. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 6:12:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy crap take the blinders off. Or please be kidding. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 6:13:50 PM EDT
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Perhaps the most important aspect of this whole article - if it turns out to be true - is this part...
"The ATF circulated language to ban bump stocks at Trump’s direction in December 2017. The public was allowed to comment and gun control outlet The Trace reported that 85 percent of those who commented opposed a ban." It says a lot about the voice of the people. People talk on this forum and others about 2A rallies, and I've personally been involved in public hearings, etc. It doesn't matter in the face of politics. I hope that just like in NY, CT, CO and other places where silly, feel-good laws are created and largely ignored, that this too gets ignored by the masses. I'm confident it will. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 6:16:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, blame the NRA who actually do something for gun rights Never blame the do nothing NYC liberal and admit you’ve been conned |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 6:17:20 PM EDT
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I never wanted a bump stock. They are a novelty that didn't interest me.
But so what. I know what not one more fucking inch means. I'll stand with bump stock owners knowing where this is going. I will direct considerable resources to any reliable method to preserve our rights and fight off the slow socialist coup. I'd sell my boat. I'm spending against Soros, so... I hope you are in this too. This is the most important issue of my adult life. It is time to act in all lawful and appropriate ways to protect the entire Bill of Rights. Not just the 2A. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 6:18:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They need to realize that Trump is doing this to trick people into thinking he’s pro gun control. All we need to do is re-elect him and then the real progress on gun rights can start. He has only been president for 2 years, people need to be patient and trust that he will deliver. Only concern trolls are saying this is a big deal, real MAGApedes need to stand strong, even if it means letting things be temporarily confiscated.  can't tell if serious.....
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Posted: 11/29/2018 6:24:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2018 6:33:51 PM EDT
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FUCK the nra I have personally reviewed your feedback, and nominated you for a FREE DUFFELL BAG, for ONLY $39.99, to show our commitment to gun rights. By taking this FREE duffell bag, let the attacking liberals know we will NEVER COMPROMISE. Yours in freedom |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 6:46:07 PM EDT
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Lol I wish the retards on r/the_donald were as kidding as I was Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Holy crap take the blinders off. Or please be kidding. 
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Posted: 11/29/2018 6:48:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Assuming everyone is like you is a mistake. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 6:53:01 PM EDT
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Only "bump stocks" that harness recoil energy or continue firing without conscious willful manipulation of the trigger by the shooter are covered. The devices most people own do not harness any of the recoil energy at all, it is all expended in travel and collision with the back of the stock. The stock merely constrains the rearward motion. It provides means to convert the recoil energy into forward motion unless a spring is installed, and that is not how the devices people largely own are sold. Likewise, willful and conscious manipulation of the trigger is required by the shooter for each shot by application of forward pressure by the off hand of the assembly holding the trigger in order to contact the resting finger anr pull the trigger. If the shooter does not willfully apply this forward pressure to manipulate the trigger for each shot, the shooting immeriately stops. Thus the devices most people own are not "bumpstocks" as defined by the ATF and are not covered by the rule. Bump stocks are just a novelty but this is some major slippery slope BS |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 6:53:40 PM EDT
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If you want to go all Ruby Ridge over bump stocks have at it, but you'll just be playing into their hands. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 7:01:54 PM EDT
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I never wanted a bump stock. They are a novelty that didn't interest me. But so what. I know what not one more fucking inch means. I'll stand with bump stock owners knowing where this is going. I will direct considerable resources to any reliable method to preserve our rights and fight off the slow socialist coup. I'd sell my boat. I'm spending against Soros, so... I hope you are in this too. This is the most important issue of my adult life. It is time to act in all lawful and appropriate ways to protect the entire Bill of Rights. Not just the 2A. Everyone just ignore the laws like they did in prohibition. 3d print them and hand them out, spread the knowledge. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 7:04:51 PM EDT
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can't tell if serious.....Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: They need to realize that Trump is doing this to trick people into thinking he’s pro gun control. All we need to do is re-elect him and then the real progress on gun rights can start. He has only been president for 2 years, people need to be patient and trust that he will deliver. Only concern trolls are saying this is a big deal, real MAGApedes need to stand strong, even if it means letting things be temporarily confiscated. can't tell if serious..... |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 7:07:08 PM EDT
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Q predicted this
BOOM! |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 7:08:14 PM EDT
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In a vacuum, I'm really not that offended/threatened by a bump stock ban. Of course, we don't live in a vacuum, and this won't satisfy the anti-firearm caucus. So this leaves us in a limbo of sorts. It's a compromise (and again, I'm not automatically revolted by compromise) that doesn't secure broader 2A rights. My concern is that this will be billed as meeting folks in the middle, when in reality it's just a concession with nothing in return. ETA: Sidebar, Breitbart is bad for your health It's not a compromise if only 1 side gets what they want. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 7:12:22 PM EDT
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Interesting article
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/corner/bump-stocks-executive-branch-cannot-ban/amp/ |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 7:14:41 PM EDT
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The President doesn't "sign" Federal Regulations. Just pointing that out for consideration before you all start going full-on Nevertrumper. WTF does his signature need to be involved for him to be singularly responsible for this, anyway?
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Posted: 11/29/2018 7:22:36 PM EDT
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It's not a compromise when they get everything they want and we get nothing. A compromise would have been removing suppressors from the NFA in exchange for banning bumpstocks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love this president...he has done great things for this country, but lately......it seems he is just pleasing the enemy democrat leftists with these stupid compromises.... There was absolutely nothing compelling Trump to do this, other than his desire to appeal to those who like it. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 7:26:36 PM EDT
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Lol
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Posted: 11/29/2018 7:29:07 PM EDT
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There were approximately 8300 slide fire stocks sold in the first 30 days they were available.
There are approximately 1 million+ in current circulation. That is a lot of stocks out there, more than most people figure. In contrast there are only perhaps 5 million NRA members.... |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 7:32:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They need to realize that Trump is doing this to trick people into thinking he’s pro gun control. All we need to do is re-elect him and then the real progress on gun rights can start. He has only been president for 2 years, people need to be patient and trust that he will deliver. Only concern trolls are saying this is a big deal, real MAGApedes need to stand strong, even if it means letting things be temporarily confiscated. 
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Posted: 11/29/2018 7:33:13 PM EDT
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There were approximately 8300 slide fire stocks sold in the first 30 days they were available. There are approximately 1 million+ in current circulation. That is a lot of stocks out there, more than most people figure. In contrast there are only perhaps 5 million NRA members.... |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 7:39:20 PM EDT
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Sorry y’all’s girl lost. This is just the first move in a game of multi-dimensional chess that will culminate during the second term of President Trump the Inerrant in a new day of firearm freedoms unimaginable a few short years ago. Just wait, you nattering naysayers. You’ll see.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 7:49:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They need to realize that Trump is doing this to trick people into thinking he’s pro gun control. All we need to do is re-elect him and then the real progress on gun rights can start. He has only been president for 2 years, people need to be patient and trust that he will deliver. Only concern trolls are saying this is a big deal, real MAGApedes need to stand strong, even if it means letting things be temporarily confiscated.
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Posted: 11/29/2018 7:53:36 PM EDT
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There were approximately 8300 slide fire stocks sold in the first 30 days they were available. There are approximately 1 million+ in current circulation. That is a lot of stocks out there, more than most people figure. In contrast there are only perhaps 5 million NRA members.... What a dumb, clueless idiot. He may know a lot, but he completely botched this one, and probably because of how out of touch his ilk are with real gun owning Americans. Nothing new there, and nothing will be learned come what may. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 7:58:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: They need to realize that Trump is doing this to trick people into thinking he’s pro gun control. All we need to do is re-elect him and then the real progress on gun rights can start. He has only been president for 2 years, people need to be patient and trust that he will deliver. Only concern trolls are saying this is a big deal, real MAGApedes need to stand strong, even if it means letting things be temporarily confiscated. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 8:00:23 PM EDT
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between this and his inability to build the fucking wall, he's officially a 1 termer now. SAD!
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Posted: 11/29/2018 8:04:19 PM EDT
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There were approximately 8300 slide fire stocks sold in the first 30 days they were available. There are approximately 1 million+ in current circulation. That is a lot of stocks out there, more than most people figure. In contrast there are only perhaps 5 million NRA members.... |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 8:04:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They need to realize that Trump is doing this to trick people into thinking he’s pro gun control. All we need to do is re-elect him and then the real progress on gun rights can start. He has only been president for 2 years, people need to be patient and trust that he will deliver. Only concern trolls are saying this is a big deal, real MAGApedes need to stand strong, even if it means letting things be temporarily confiscated. Quote HistoryQuoted: They need to realize that Trump is doing this to trick people into thinking he’s pro gun control. All we need to do is re-elect him and then the real progress on gun rights can start. He has only been president for 2 years, people need to be patient and trust that he will deliver. Only concern trolls are saying this is a big deal, real MAGApedes need to stand strong, even if it means letting things be temporarily confiscated. Whisky Tango Foxtrot?
Quoted: Lol I wish the retards on r/the_donald were as kidding as I was |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 8:08:11 PM EDT
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between this and his inability to build the fucking wall, he's officially a 1 termer now. SAD! |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 8:08:18 PM EDT
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I have never wanted a bump stock. They are not conducive to accuracy. But I agree it is the camels nose under the tent. What next, binary triggers or the thing o the back that bends up? |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 8:11:47 PM EDT
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Next he should sign a ban on cars that can travel faster than 65mph. After that, a limit on the size of a home. No one needs a home larger than X sq.ft.
Then he should ban junk food. Then soda. Then.... If Congress wants something banned for "public safety" then congress should start the legal process. |
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Posted: 11/29/2018 8:11:51 PM EDT
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I’m pretty sure all this worry is over nothing. The 9th circuit will surely rule this unconstitutional.
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