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Posted: 11/23/2003 3:05:26 PM EDT
My boss owns a Ruger Redhawk .44 mag, a shotgun, and some kind of rifle, and he brags about the .44 mag all the time. He says he wants to buy a 9mm.

Anyway, he acts like a big gun expert or something while I act like a complete newbie and keep my knowledge and personal collection a secret.

I ask him, so my "friend" got a FAL what do you think of those guns? Eh, he says. People don't need those "weapons of mass destruction" (his words).

He does not trust other law-abiding citizens with guns, but has no problems with owning guns himself.
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 3:10:59 PM EDT
He sounds like a jerk. Just keep quiet and know in your heart that he doesn't know squat about guns and you do and be glad of that fact. I've run into a bunch of "gun experts" that try to impress me with their knowlege of firearms. There's a neighbor of mine that was telling me about his 22 hornet and how it could kill at 1000 yards, no shit, 1000 yards. I just kept my mouth shut and didn't say anything. Some people are just hard pressed to impress others I guess.
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 3:16:19 PM EDT
If I can get a chance, I will usualy try to show these people the error of their ways. If it is just someone I meet in passing, I will just smile.
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 3:32:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By clean_cut:
My boss owns a Ruger Redhawk .44 mag, a shotgun, and some kind of rifle, and he brags about the .44 mag all the time. He says he wants to buy a 9mm.



Hypocracy? In the firearms community? Noooo...It's impossible!

The easiest thing to do is to ask him why he needs a pistol as powerful as a .44Mag. He'll end up at 'want' because nobody really needs a .44Mag. (note that hunting's not an excuse, as nobody 'needs' to hunt: get the picture)

Lots of people have the habbit of spouting what little they know once they determine that they know more than the average person. I'm pretty arrogant here, as I know a ton about weapons 1890-present. I can't tell you how many times I've had to bite my tongue while some douchebag goes on and on.... A man's got to know his limitations. To be really cliche: Better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt!
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 3:44:09 PM EDT


I hate those kinds of people the worst!

They think that only what they find “useful” should be allowed, but because they don’t own a certain kind of gun, they don’t think anyone else “needs” to own one either. Your boss can’t even make the old “sporting purposes” claim when he wants to buy a 9mm pistol. People like this are also so stupid that they think that once “assault weapons” are banned, the Brady Center and VPC will simply say “OK, that’s enough gun laws,” pack up, and go home. I bet if you could make that FAL “look” like a Remington 7400 and rename it, he would not have any problems with it.

People like this are worse than regular anti-gunners, IMHO. I accept that there will always be enemies of freedom, but I have no tolerance for TRAITORS! These types of people (like all other traitors) are truly the scum of the Earth.



(OK, I’m finished with my rant. For now…)
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 3:44:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

Originally Posted By clean_cut:
My boss owns a Ruger Redhawk .44 mag, a shotgun, and some kind of rifle, and he brags about the .44 mag all the time. He says he wants to buy a 9mm.



Hypocracy? In the firearms community? Noooo...It's impossible!

The easiest thing to do is to ask him why he needs a pistol as powerful as a .44Mag. He'll end up at 'want' because nobody really needs a .44Mag. (note that hunting's not an excuse, as nobody 'needs' to hunt: get the picture)

Lots of people have the habbit of spouting what little they know once they determine that they know more than the average person. I'm pretty arrogant here, as I know a ton about weapons 1890-present. I can't tell you how many times I've had to bite my tongue while some douchebag goes on and on.... A man's got to know his limitations. To be really cliche: Better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt!



Hey, wait a minute, you could be onto something here. I'll try this, after all, it seems to be working for the queers: I have a genetic predisposition to owning and using firearms! WOO HOO!!!!!! Eat that liberal scum!
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 3:51:06 PM EDT
What burns me is how my boss refers to anything holding over 10 rounds, quote: "Weapons of mass destruction." (Then he snickers).

If only he knew what I have at home...
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 4:14:16 PM EDT
Rosy O'Donnal is very anti-gun yet her body guards are heavily armed.

I don't like that the media always talks about the bad things that happen with guns while ignoring the good things. They make so called "assault weapons" seem so evil. My friend and my other frind were over and one of them mentioned my asault weapons (he loves guns too) and my other friend who never held a gun in her life gasped in shock and said, "You have asault weapons!?" Off the subject but it ticks me off.
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 4:22:59 PM EDT
Unless it can fire in full auto it's technically not an "assault weapon". I know this is a moot point to some people, they tend to think that if it looks like a duck then it is a duck but it won't quack like a duck so it's not a duck. It's like some of the limited edition sports cars that you can buy. They look like a race car but under the hood they're not even close. Too many people judge things by the way it looks and not how it works. Alot of gun owners have bought into this as well calling their semi-auto rifles "assault weapons", always make sure that if I'm showing someone a semi-auto that I own that I tell them "this is a civillian legal, semi-auto copy of a (insert gun type here) and not call it an assault weapon.
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 4:32:45 PM EDT
I DESPISE people like this guy. It’s not only guns (although that’s a real hot button for me) it’s probably that way with everything in his life.

“I’ve got what I want and since it’s good enough for me, it ought to be good enough for anyone else too.”

Asshole.

Just because you own a gun or two doesn’t make you a fucking expert on the subject.

I’d be curious if he knows ANYTHING about firearms except the 2 or 3 that he owns? That’s even assuming that he knows something beyond “put in bullet, pull trigger, BANG!” Does he frequent (or even know about) websites such as this one? How about any books or training materials he owns relating to firearms? Taken any classes or participate in any organized activities? Seriously doubt it.

How many people own cars, driven them all their life but couldn’t change the oil or perform a minor repair if their lives depended on it or describe in the most rudimentary way the operation of an internal combustion engine. Yet how many of these same people have strong opinions as to which cars are the best and that others are idiots for driving something other than what THEY drive.

Your boss is one of the probably millions of firearms owners that will happily sell the rest of us down the river because he doesn’t approve of some of the guns we own.

I think we need examples like this more often to keep us awake and focused on how much danger we’re in.

The thing to keep in mind is that those of us here (and on other sites) only represent a few percent (at most) of firearms owners in America. We are not typical by any means. clean_cut’s boss is a far more typical gun owner than we are. Hell, just look at the differences we’ve seen between other websites and the lack of support or even basic knowledge of something like the AWB with hunters or shotgunners.

No ladies and gentlemen, we do not represent the typical gun owner by a long shot and just because someone you know owns a gun or two doesn’t make them a kindred spirit as much as we fervently believe they are.
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 4:46:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TNFrank:
Unless it can fire in full auto it's technically not an "assault weapon". I know this is a moot point to some people, they tend to think that if it looks like a duck then it is a duck but it won't quack like a duck so it's not a duck. It's like some of the limited edition sports cars that you can buy. They look like a race car but under the hood they're not even close. Too many people judge things by the way it looks and not how it works. Alot of gun owners have bought into this as well calling their semi-auto rifles "assault weapons", always make sure that if I'm showing someone a semi-auto that I own that I tell them "this is a civillian legal, semi-auto copy of a (insert gun type here) and not call it an assault weapon.



Sorry, but you've even been confused by the grabbers bullshit.

Assault Rifle: A rifle capable of select fire. Has been regulated since NFA34. The AWB has no impact on these weapons.

"Assault Weapon": A politically created term that categorizes (and demonizes) firearms by mostly cosmetic features such as folding/telescopic stocks, pistol grips, flash hiders and bayonet lugs.

The grabbers have deliberately muddied the waters by implying that “Assault Weapons” == machine guns.

Assault rifle, sub-machine gun, machine gun are three distinct and legitimate types of firearms. “Assault Weapon” isn’t anything other than a semi-auto rifle demonized by “evil features”.

A basic Mini-14 can turn you into a felon by adding a few cosmetic accessories to it but the rifle still operates exactly the same as before with no change to its lethality.

Do NOT buy into the grabbers manipulation of the language. It adds further weight to their bullshit.
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 4:52:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/23/2003 4:54:55 PM EDT by TNFrank]
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcassaul.html
Check out the above link Airwolf.
A genuine assault weapon, as opposed to a legal definition, is a hand-held, selective fire weapon, which means it's capable of firing in either an automatic or a semiautomatic mode depending on the position of a selector switch. These kinds of weapons are heavily regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934 and are further regulated in some states.
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 4:57:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Airwolf:
I DESPISE people like this guy. It’s not only guns (although that’s a real hot button for me) it’s probably that way with everything in his life.

“I’ve got what I want and since it’s good enough for me, it ought to be good enough for anyone else too.”

Asshole.

Just because you own a gun or two doesn’t make you a fucking expert on the subject.

I’d be curious if he knows ANYTHING about firearms except the 2 or 3 that he owns? That’s even assuming that he knows something beyond “put in bullet, pull trigger, BANG!” Does he frequent (or even know about) websites such as this one? How about any books or training materials he owns relating to firearms? Taken any classes or participate in any organized activities? Seriously doubt it.

How many people own cars, driven them all their life but couldn’t change the oil or perform a minor repair if their lives depended on it or describe in the most rudimentary way the operation of an internal combustion engine. Yet how many of these same people have strong opinions as to which cars are the best and that others are idiots for driving something other than what THEY drive.

Your boss is one of the probably millions of firearms owners that will happily sell the rest of us down the river because he doesn’t approve of some of the guns we own.

I think we need examples like this more often to keep us awake and focused on how much danger we’re in.

The thing to keep in mind is that those of us here (and on other sites) only represent a few percent (at most) of firearms owners in America. We are not typical by any means. clean_cut’s boss is a far more typical gun owner than we are. Hell, just look at the differences we’ve seen between other websites and the lack of support or even basic knowledge of something like the AWB with hunters or shotgunners.

No ladies and gentlemen, we do not represent the typical gun owner by a long shot and just because someone you know owns a gun or two doesn’t make them a kindred spirit as much as we fervently believe they are.




VERY well said!
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 5:01:37 PM EDT
At least you don't have to work with him 40 hours a week (and listen to him about his awesome .44 mag).
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 5:04:00 PM EDT
Another thing you could do is go out and buy a new Ruger Redhawk in .480 Ruger, I bet that would make him feel a bit impotent.LOL
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 5:07:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TNFrank:
Another thing you could do is go out and buy a new Ruger Redhawk in .480 Ruger, I bet that would make him feel a bit impotent.LOL



LOL!

He doesn't know I have a Smith and Wesson 29-2 blued, pin and recessed (he probably doesn't know what that means).

It's so funny...I act almost like an anti around him. "Wow! .44 mag damn!" I deserve an Oscar.
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 5:10:11 PM EDT
Buy a 454 Casull and then brag to him about THAT monster...

Or maybe a 500 S&W or one of those revolvers in 45-70........

Fuck him!!
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 5:15:23 PM EDT
I had a Taurus .454 Casull, nice gun. What alot of people don't know(or maybe people here do know)is that you can handload these "monsters" down to 44 Mag. level and there very comfortable to shoot. The .500 Smith & Wesson would be a good one as well, so long as it's BIGGER then the gun he's bragin' about the effect would be the same.
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 5:33:49 PM EDT
This is going to piss some or many of you off but I'm human and trying to understand an arguement. If I hunted deer, I couldn't understand why anyone would want an AR15 or pistol. If I hunted birds, I would find it difficult to understand why anyone would want a evil black gun or pistol. If I lived in the burbs, I would be afraid of any black or hispanic having guns. You see where I'm going here? We're our own enemies. Then we have the multitudes of people that are afraid of guns. People afraid of young blacks or hispanics or even whites wearing their baseball hats backwards walking with a swagger with pants looking like they were going fall off. This is what we're up against. It ain't going to change soon...
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 5:49:31 PM EDT
The only rational course of action is to seduce his wife.
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 5:51:53 PM EDT
Quote Airwolf "No ladies and gentlemen, we do not represent the typical gun owner by a long shot and just because someone you know owns a gun or two doesn’t make them a kindred spirit as much as we fervently believe they are."

Amen
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 5:52:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
The only rational course of action is to seduce his wife.




He DOES have a hot 20-yo daughter, who's still living at home. Hehe


I think the best way to sway these people is to present yourself as a responsible, intelligent, and articulate citizen who happens to love guns! Don't build up the antisocial misfit image.
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 6:00:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TNFrank:
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcassaul.html
Check out the above link Airwolf.
A genuine assault weapon, as opposed to a legal definition, is a hand-held, selective fire weapon, which means it's capable of firing in either an automatic or a semiautomatic mode depending on the position of a selector switch. These kinds of weapons are heavily regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934 and are further regulated in some states.

They're wrong too.

There's no such thing as an "assault weapon" outside of the legal definition.

"Assault Rifles" are select-fire (full-auto). "Assault Weapons" are not.

Link Posted: 11/23/2003 6:01:12 PM EDT
I have heard some of those idiots that go on and on about their mighty .44 mag. I think they are trying to compensate for small dicks.
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 6:12:21 PM EDT
I once had a guy I work with say that owning a ar15 was legal as long as you didn't put a flat top upper on it. I had to call him on it and after I explaned to him what was legal he didn't want to believe me. I wanted to smack him....
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 6:22:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By TNFrank:
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcassaul.html
Check out the above link Airwolf.
A genuine assault weapon, as opposed to a legal definition, is a hand-held, selective fire weapon, which means it's capable of firing in either an automatic or a semiautomatic mode depending on the position of a selector switch. These kinds of weapons are heavily regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934 and are further regulated in some states.

They're wrong too.

There's no such thing as an "assault weapon" outside of the legal definition.

"Assault Rifles" are select-fire (full-auto). "Assault Weapons" are not.




Yup.

God, that is discouraging. Even they have been sucked into the horseshit, trying to differentiate between a non-existent true assault weapon and the politically defined voodoo of an "Assault Weapon".

Damn it! This is EXACTLY the kind of crap that the grabbers want to happen. To muddy the waters so badly that they have people spouting/arguing/defending shit that doesn’t exist or mean anything.

Link Posted: 11/23/2003 6:35:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Railman44:
This is going to piss some or many of you off but I'm human and trying to understand an arguement. If I hunted deer, I couldn't understand why anyone would want an AR15 or pistol. If I hunted birds, I would find it difficult to understand why anyone would want a evil black gun or pistol. If I lived in the burbs, I would be afraid of any black or hispanic having guns. You see where I'm going here? We're our own enemies. Then we have the multitudes of people that are afraid of guns. People afraid of young blacks or hispanics or even whites wearing their baseball hats backwards walking with a swagger with pants looking like they were going fall off. This is what we're up against. It ain't going to change soon...



Divide and conquer. Keep breaking down groups and society in general into more and more sharply defined interests and pit those ever more fragmented groups against each other.

The liberals/leftists/socialists label this phenomenon by the PC term “diversity” and claim that it’s a Good Thing™.

Yeah, we’re well on our way to “diversifying” ourselves to oblivion.
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 6:50:02 PM EDT
I like diversity, that's why I own everything from flintlocks to semi-autos. I like to diversify my gun collection, never know what kind of mood I'll be in from day to day. Some days it flintlock, some days it rock n' roll, semi-auto mode. A man can't have to many different kinds of guns.
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 6:52:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TNFrank:
I like diversity, that's why I own everything from flintlocks to semi-autos. I like to diversify my gun collection, never know what kind of mood I'll be in from day to day. Some days it flintlock, some days it rock n' roll, semi-auto mode. A man can't have to many different kinds of guns.



I hear ya.
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 6:54:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TNFrank:
I like diversity, that's why I own everything from flintlocks to semi-autos. I like to diversify my gun collection, never know what kind of mood I'll be in from day to day. Some days it flintlock, some days it rock n' roll, semi-auto mode. A man can't have to many different kinds of guns.



Link Posted: 11/24/2003 1:27:58 AM EDT
Not sure if this guy's a gun hypocrite, or just a gun idiotic liar... Probably both. At work, I met a guy who was shooting his mouth off and pissing off EVERYONE at work... Then he said, "What would you do if I was just about to kick your ass?" To which I responded, "Mace you and beat your blind ass to a bloody fucking pulp." (at this point I was REALLY PISSED at his rudeness, name calling, obvious racist comments towards coworkers, etc.) Then he said "Well, what if I pulled a knife on you?" I responded, "Is that a threat?" Him: "No. Why, would you want it to be?" I responded, "In the event of you threatening me, I would NOT divulge any more information as to my course of action; I would simply do it." Then things cooled off, I imagine because he likely thought of the prospect of losing his job over his mouth. Then he said he's not afraid of anyone or anything because he has a 3 round burst 995 Carbine in his car and nobody had better threaten him... Well, I've never heard of a 995 Carbine, and have never seen one on any lists of Class 3 weapons. So when I got home from work, I looked it up... Here's a 995 Carbine (Hi Point 9mm): [img]http://www.mkssupply.com/images/9hpcb41.jpg[/img] Now, As far as I know, there has NEVER been any 3 Round Burst versions of this firearm (if you can call it that) legally in existence... Am I wrong? The only thing I can think of is his MAY have a disconnector problem where it spurts out a few rounds each pull of the trigger as a malfunction, but it CERTAINLY is NOT a real 3 rd burst if anything... Either he's a hot-headed mouth-running liar (most likely the case), he owns an illegally modified firearm, or he's a complete fucking idiot... I'd bet it's all three! [;D] Oh well... Such is life.
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