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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:02:50 PM EDT
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They have US Marshall's and contempt power. If Trump says "fuck the courts I'm king" he's risking being impeached or removed from office as being incompetent. Just what does the judge believe he is seeking to enforce here? |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:02:54 PM EDT
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Kind of ironic that the President who lets everyone ask questions is having judges say he has no rule over who can be there to ask.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:02:58 PM EDT
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Are there rules setup on who in the press pool gets to ask questions and when? The press conferences I've watched kinda look like whoever is taking questions just calls on reporters at random....if that's the case, why don't they let him back in but just never call on him for a question. Effectively making it worthless for him to be there....if he starts yelling out questions, kick him out.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:03:08 PM EDT
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Too bad Justice Kavanaugh never got as much due process.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:03:44 PM EDT
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Give him his fucking pass and then sit his ass in the very last back row behind a pillar.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:04:08 PM EDT
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For all you people saying just ignore him, have you even watched one of these press conferences lately? These fuckin journalist shit stains don't even care any more about decorum. They think it's their right to be heard no matter what, called on or not. They will disrupt until Trump gives in or walks away. The days of orderly press conferences, at least the Q/A part, are long gone.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:04:21 PM EDT
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Can you explain to me what due process has to do with a misbehaving little shit that works for CNN? He acted like a fool in the White House. CNN should send someone else, not that CNN has a “right” to be there. 1st has absolutely nothing to do with Jim or CNN or any other MSM outlet. Take due process and shove it your ass. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck the judge. Press pass is a privilege, not a right. Fuck him to hell. Issue is about Due Process. Then again Trump does not care for Due Process. Take the guns and kick out the reporters, worry about Due Process later. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:04:34 PM EDT
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I don't disagree with your overall point - but the concept of "due process" isn't only limited to criminal law violations. For example, immigration (the legal kind) is one area where a person is entitled to due process even though they haven't been charged with a crime. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol. The judge keeps using that phrase "Due Process." I don't think it means what he thinks it means. Is Trump trying Acosta in a court of law where there are criminal penalties? No. They revoked a PRIVILEGE. Due Process does not apply. For example, immigration (the legal kind) is one area where a person is entitled to due process even though they haven't been charged with a crime. Now what!!?? Seriously, NOW WHAT!!?? 
So now, if I get rude again in the nevertrumper thread Aimless cannot ban me!!?? 
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:04:44 PM EDT
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Take the press passes first. Due process later. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:05:09 PM EDT
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Ask the judge where at in the law does it spell out press pass "rights".....
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:05:17 PM EDT
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Are there rules setup on who in the press pool gets to ask questions and when? The press conferences I've watched kinda look like whoever is taking questions just calls on reporters at random....if that's the case, why don't they let him back in but just never call on him for a question. Effectively making it worthless for him to be there....if he starts yelling out questions, kick him out. Part of being transparent and open to hostility. The press however took this as an opportunity to become emboldened, rude, and argumentative. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:05:47 PM EDT
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Im sorry, does cnn not have any other reporter that can go there, or is acosta the only one tlat the network that can gain clearance to the president? The yanked a press pass from one dude, not the fucking network.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:06:06 PM EDT
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I thought Lincoln put reporters in jail
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:06:23 PM EDT
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The ruling from Judge Timothy Kelly, who was appointed by Trump,
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:06:25 PM EDT
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Just give him his press pass back and tell him he can't ask questions. Is the judge then going to order trump to answer his questions? If he yells have him arrested for disorderly conduct |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:06:38 PM EDT
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You can lead a horse to water......
Sure, force your way back in, if you can, but no one will call on you or acknowledge you. Acosta: “Sarah does these two US Marine Guards with a loaded pistols, batons, and Tasers, have to escort me around the WH ? Even in the bathroom ? “ |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:06:59 PM EDT
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What legal requirement is there for the WH to issue press passes? Just what does the judge believe he is seeking to enforce here? So Jimmy Acosta will get his notice that his pass is being revoked, he'll get the opportunity to respond, his response will be denied, and his pass will be revoked fair and square. He and CNN will believe they are martyrs when really all they did was give Trump a clean path toward permanently banning him from the White House Press Corps. 
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:07:02 PM EDT
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Unlikely? The fucking video SHOWS him touching her and her arm being forced down. Fucking judges, they're a cancer on this nation. Black robed cocksuckers, given way to much power. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:07:12 PM EDT
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Again access to the President clearly falls under Executive Privilege.
Trump needs to say so and take it to the Supreme Court if necessary. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:07:24 PM EDT
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Just shut down press conferences. Make these "journalists" do actual investigative reporting if they want to know something. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just give him his press pass back and tell him he can't ask questions. Is the judge then going to order trump to answer his questions? If he yells have him arrested for disorderly conduct |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:07:45 PM EDT
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I thought Lincoln put reporters in jail and now this is a Civil War thread. @primuspilum
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:08:12 PM EDT
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Give him his fucking pass and then sit his ass in the very last back row behind a pillar. I'm astonished that people do not know how that shit really works. There have always been press briefings but only really started with TV back in the Clinton days. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:09:08 PM EDT
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CNN .... Unwavering defenders of the 1st amendment http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b431/coldsteel89/Screenshot_20181116-103832_zps9c2ej0ia.png" target="_blank">http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b431/coldsteel89/Screenshot_20181116-103832_zps9c2ej0ia.png http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b431/coldsteel89/Screenshot_20181116-105423_zps5vs78iup.png" target="_blank">http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b431/coldsteel89/Screenshot_20181116-105423_zps5vs78iup.png |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:09:18 PM EDT
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White House does not control the seating chart I'm astonished that people do not know how that shit really works. There have always been press briefings but only really started with TV back in the Clinton days. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Give him his fucking pass and then sit his ass in the very last back row behind a pillar. I'm astonished that people do not know how that shit really works. There have always been press briefings but only really started with TV back in the Clinton days.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:10:38 PM EDT
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Just shut down press conferences. Make these "journalists" do actual investigative reporting if they want to know something. Or better yet when Acosta stands-up and starts grandstanding without being called upon just revoke it again under rude and disorderly conduct.....Rinse and repeat as necessary. 
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:11:46 PM EDT
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And what is the process to restore a hard pass that has been court ordered to give back... time to make something up that will take forever and a day kinda like getting a gun in hawaii |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:12:15 PM EDT
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Just shut down press conferences. Make these "journalists" do actual investigative reporting if they want to know something. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just give him his press pass back and tell him he can't ask questions. Is the judge then going to order trump to answer his questions? If he yells have him arrested for disorderly conduct |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:12:18 PM EDT
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I still don't know what this fucking "due process" means in this situation for god's sake...……..come on guys help an old guy out!!?? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Give him his fucking pass and then sit his ass in the very last back row behind a pillar. I'm astonished that people do not know how that shit really works. There have always been press briefings but only really started with TV back in the Clinton days. Read this: https://www.poynter.org/news/cnn-and-jim-acosta-lawsuit-about-free-speech-free-press-and-due-process |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:13:48 PM EDT
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Take the press pass first, due process later. 
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:13:50 PM EDT
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The solution is simple:
Institute a code of conduct for press briefings. Make it a condition of attending that you sign said code. Violating the code, which you agree to, is grounds for losing your credentials, period. Include stuff about not touching staff members, not shouting over other reporters, and not interrupting the Speaker. make it apply to everyone and every news agency. Now there is due process. break the rules and you are gone. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:14:15 PM EDT
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I still don't know what this fucking "due process" means in this situation for god's sake...……..come on guys help an old guy out!!?? If needed they’ll have a judge excuse their behavior. If anyone does anyth8ng Democrats don’t like, they’ll have a judge order it stopped. Judges now run the nation while democrats are out of the WH |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:15:02 PM EDT
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Have a hearing and Trump's the judge? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Due process how? Like he needs to have a hearing before they can throw him out? 
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:15:29 PM EDT
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Removing the ability to question our elected leadership, in this day in age and with our current abilities in technology, sounds like a very bad idea to me. Our elected officials need to have their feet to the fire and should be open to questioning at regular media occurrences and or media events. To me, when you start limiting certain press groups from attending and asking hard or difficult questions, you are on a slippery slope to moving towards no accountability if you control the media or what is broadcast. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:16:25 PM EDT
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What legal requirement is there for the WH to issue press passes? Just what does the judge believe he is seeking to enforce here? I think it's dumb as Trump can just refuse to call on Acosta |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:16:29 PM EDT
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I still don't know what this fucking "due process" means in this situation for god's sake...……..come on guys help an old guy out!!?? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Give him his fucking pass and then sit his ass in the very last back row behind a pillar. I'm astonished that people do not know how that shit really works. There have always been press briefings but only really started with TV back in the Clinton days. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:16:39 PM EDT
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The solution is simple: Institute a code of conduct for press briefings. Make it a condition of attending that you sign said code. Violating the code, which you agree to, is grounds for losing your credentials, period. Include stuff about not touching staff members, not shouting over other reporters, and not interrupting the Speaker. make it apply to everyone and every news agency. Now there is due process. break the rules and you are gone. The code of federal regulations that now guides the White House press pass process states that "In granting or denying a request for a security clearance made in response to an application for a White House press pass, officials of the Secret Service will be guided solely by the principle of whether the applicant presents a potential source of physical danger to the President and/or the family of the President so serious as to justify his or her exclusion from White House press privileges." The White House never claimed Acosta was a security threat. ---- The government did not play by their own rules and revoked the pass just because |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:16:53 PM EDT
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Based on existing case law. Read this: https://www.poynter.org/news/cnn-and-jim-acosta-lawsuit-about-free-speech-free-press-and-due-process Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Give him his fucking pass and then sit his ass in the very last back row behind a pillar. I'm astonished that people do not know how that shit really works. There have always been press briefings but only really started with TV back in the Clinton days. Read this: https://www.poynter.org/news/cnn-and-jim-acosta-lawsuit-about-free-speech-free-press-and-due-process You say "NO I AM NOT RDAK!!"...……….now what, expert witnesses???
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:17:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s kinda simple. Democrats can do whatever they want. If needed they’ll have a judge excuse their behavior. If anyone does anyth8ng Democrats don’t like, they’ll have a judge order it stopped. Judges now run the nation while democrats are out of the WH 
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:17:59 PM EDT
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It’s kinda simple. Democrats can do whatever they want. If needed they’ll have a judge excuse their behavior. If anyone does anyth8ng Democrats don’t like, they’ll have a judge order it stopped. Judges now run the nation while democrats are out of the WH Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I still don't know what this fucking "due process" means in this situation for god's sake...……..come on guys help an old guy out!!?? If needed they’ll have a judge excuse their behavior. If anyone does anyth8ng Democrats don’t like, they’ll have a judge order it stopped. Judges now run the nation while democrats are out of the WH This whole thing has me going " ".
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:18:00 PM EDT
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Walking out of the courthouse.
   
CNN attorney Ted Boutrous spoke to reporters following a hearing Wednesday as a protester held up a sign for news cameras |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:18:35 PM EDT
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Press conferences are a voluntary thing that elected leaders do, not something they are required to do. DJT already talks more to the press than either of his two predecessors. There is ZERO requirements to hold any press conferences at all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Removing the ability to question our elected leadership, in this day in age and with our current abilities in technology, sounds like a very bad idea to me. Our elected officials need to have their feet to the fire and should be open to questioning at regular media occurrences and or media events. To me, when you start limiting certain press groups from attending and asking hard or difficult questions, you are on a slippery slope to moving towards no accountability if you control the media or what is broadcast. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:18:50 PM EDT
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There are existing rules: The code of federal regulations that now guides the White House press pass process states that "In granting or denying a request for a security clearance made in response to an application for a White House press pass, officials of the Secret Service will be guided solely by the principle of whether the applicant presents a potential source of physical danger to the President and/or the family of the President so serious as to justify his or her exclusion from White House press privileges." The White House never claimed Acosta was a security threat. ---- The government did not play by their own rules and revoked the pass just because Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The solution is simple: Institute a code of conduct for press briefings. Make it a condition of attending that you sign said code. Violating the code, which you agree to, is grounds for losing your credentials, period. Include stuff about not touching staff members, not shouting over other reporters, and not interrupting the Speaker. make it apply to everyone and every news agency. Now there is due process. break the rules and you are gone. The code of federal regulations that now guides the White House press pass process states that "In granting or denying a request for a security clearance made in response to an application for a White House press pass, officials of the Secret Service will be guided solely by the principle of whether the applicant presents a potential source of physical danger to the President and/or the family of the President so serious as to justify his or her exclusion from White House press privileges." The White House never claimed Acosta was a security threat. ---- The government did not play by their own rules and revoked the pass just because |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:19:05 PM EDT
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Fair. Mr Costa, your court hearing Aug 1st 2020...we are very backed up. Until then no pass.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:19:11 PM EDT
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This is easy, Acosta gets his press badge back but no more press conferences, just press statements,until CNN gets rid of Acosta.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:19:14 PM EDT
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They have US Marshall's and contempt power. If Trump says "fuck the courts I'm king" he's risking being impeached or removed from office as being incompetent. Beemerman News here. Where is my pass? I want to stand in that room and just yell questions over everyone else. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:19:20 PM EDT
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There is prior case law that goes over this. The government technically can't just wave a magic wand and say that your 1a rights are suspended w/o real cause. Trump and the WH have to show real cause as to why it should be, go through all the steps, and then make it so. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Give him his fucking pass and then sit his ass in the very last back row behind a pillar. I'm astonished that people do not know how that shit really works. There have always been press briefings but only really started with TV back in the Clinton days. This is nuts. I have lived too long.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:19:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Based on existing case law. Read this: https://www.poynter.org/news/cnn-and-jim-acosta-lawsuit-about-free-speech-free-press-and-due-process |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:20:13 PM EDT
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what if I told you that Trump wants Acosta there and needs Acosta to act like an ass so that Trump can beat him up?
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:20:42 PM EDT
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I understand but how does it work in this instance...….I mean, Trump says, "you are acting rude and disrupting the entire press conference so you are banned"...…...Acosta "no I am NOT". Now what!!?? Seriously, NOW WHAT!!??
So now, if I get rude again in the nevertrumper thread Aimless cannot ban me!!?? Let him become the scourge of his peers. Let him in the Press conference. The moment he asserts himself and disrupts without being called, end the news conference. Rinse. Repeat until even his peers want nothing to do with him. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:20:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are existing rules: The code of federal regulations that now guides the White House press pass process states that "In granting or denying a request for a security clearance made in response to an application for a White House press pass, officials of the Secret Service will be guided solely by the principle of whether the applicant presents a potential source of physical danger to the President and/or the family of the President so serious as to justify his or her exclusion from White House press privileges." The White House never claimed Acosta was a security threat. ---- The government did not play by their own rules and revoked the pass just because |
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