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Posted: 11/16/2018 7:37:27 PM EDT
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Wife and I were talking about this on the way home today. She said it's a simple problem to solve. Don't call on him and when he starts mouthing off, interrupting and generally being an ass, Trump should tell Acosta he's rude and being unfair to his peers, and just turn around and walk out. It will only take two or three times before other reporters start shutting him up.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 7:43:29 PM EDT
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Trump's residence - his rules. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: None of that pertains to a private business...............their park, their rules And has nothing to do with this issue. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 7:46:14 PM EDT
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Not bad.....in that case, no one is getting scrapped or flushed out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Am I the father? How hot is the baby mama? How many bitches can I knock up and spread my seed? Alaska 9 87 |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 8:07:00 PM EDT
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Ok, You want the child, but the uterus owner does not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/16/2018 8:08:48 PM EDT
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Flipping around the channels and CNN was whining that Trump said him and his staff will start walking out of press conferences if they don't like how people are behaving
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Posted: 11/16/2018 8:13:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are my bitches and don't have a choice. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 8:15:21 PM EDT
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Wife and I were talking about this on the way home today. She said it's a simple problem to solve. Don't call on him and when he starts mouthing off, interrupting and generally being an ass, Trump should tell Acosta he's rude and being unfair to his peers, and just turn around and walk out. It will only take two or three times before other reporters start shutting him up. More than that, what other rights can they claim in the future. Also, this violates separation of powers - how does the judiciary assert that on the executive branch? FO time yet? |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 8:15:42 PM EDT
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So the courts are going to manage the White House press room now? https://media1.tenor.com/images/5684efb5a71699d2efaa13baba0dbb2c/tenor.gif?itemid=7715492 But i guess it dies say right thee in the constitution that no man shall be deprived of live, liverty, property, or his pass to go in the presidents house and be a dick, without due process. Comeone guys, you believe in the US. Right? |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 8:19:32 PM EDT
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Wife and I were talking about this on the way home today. She said it's a simple problem to solve. Don't call on him and when he starts mouthing off, interrupting and generally being an ass, Trump should tell Acosta he's rude and being unfair to his peers, and just turn around and walk out. It will only take two or three times before other reporters start shutting him up. Get these f'n bad judges out of office pronto. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 8:20:18 PM EDT
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Trump: And now for the final question of this press conference I call on the esteemed journalîst from CNN, JIm Acosta....thank you all for attending....walks out.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 8:22:02 PM EDT
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It's the people's house, not Trump's. Remember? |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 8:32:29 PM EDT
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There is prior case law that goes over this. The government technically can't just wave a magic wand and say that your 1a rights are suspended w/o real cause. Trump and the WH have to show real cause as to why it should be, go through all the steps, and then make it so. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 8:32:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. The tax payers own that house and Trump just lives there while he works for me. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 8:33:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is laughable as the first Amendment guarantees a free press, not blanket access. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 8:33:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are existing rules: The code of federal regulations that now guides the White House press pass process states that "In granting or denying a request for a security clearance made in response to an application for a White House press pass, officials of the Secret Service will be guided solely by the principle of whether the applicant presents a potential source of physical danger to the President and/or the family of the President so serious as to justify his or her exclusion from White House press privileges." The White House never claimed Acosta was a security threat. ---- The government did not play by their own rules and revoked the pass just because |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 8:35:04 PM EDT
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Wife and I were talking about this on the way home today. She said it's a simple problem to solve. Don't call on him and when he starts mouthing off, interrupting and generally being an ass, Trump should tell Acosta he's rude and being unfair to his peers, and just turn around and walk out. It will only take two or three times before other reporters start shutting him up. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 8:43:43 PM EDT
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Trump should ignore it. Fuck em.
At this point I would pay good money to watch Acosta get skull fucked by DJT on the White House lawn. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 8:52:07 PM EDT
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Restraining orders are due process.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:10:41 PM EDT
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This was a decorum issue. He was asked to stop speaking and surrender the mic so that other questions could be answered. I bet a higher court, maybe even the USSC, ultimately disagrees with this ruling. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you read the case law it talks about what clear things there are not acceptable like threats to life and such which can be immediate removal/rejection of press pass. There isn't a list of approved things you can and cannot say. It is left pretty open to where the person or group who wants to make the point to remove press access of the other has to make a case and not just because he asked a hard question or got aggressive in his questioning. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:12:33 PM EDT
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It won't change unless someone doesn't go by it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I agree that it is the case law. I also agree that it is the standard that we have to go by until it is changed. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:13:09 PM EDT
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If you are in my house and I don't like what you said I can order you to leave and not come back. If you don't comply I can have you trespassed. If you still don't comply Officer Friendly will fit you with a set of adjustable stainless steel bracelets and haul you off. Guess what? So can Donald Trump. The White House is his residence and he has all the privileges there that you and I enjoy in our residences. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He already had permission to be there with the press pass. That is the difference. That would be like you inviting me in your house for a conversation and you not liking what I said. In this situation the relevant law says that there is a procedure for removing access for Acosta. I don't care if you like it or not. Just like I am sure you don't care if I like it or not. The point is that it is the law and the precedent that has to legally be followed to get Acosta out. Guess what? So can Donald Trump. The White House is his residence and he has all the privileges there that you and I enjoy in our residences. 
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:22:50 PM EDT
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Which is laughable as the first Amendment guarantees a free press, not blanket access. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is prior case law that goes over this. The government technically can't just wave a magic wand and say that your 1a rights are suspended w/o real cause. Trump and the WH have to show real cause as to why it should be, go through all the steps, and then make it so. I think Trump handled it well but he needed to go through the proper process and case law to get to the proper end goal which should be Acosta being revoked and denied access. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:24:00 PM EDT
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Nevertrump doesn't care. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Which is laughable as the first Amendment guarantees a free press, not blanket access. 
Weaksauce! |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:28:02 PM EDT
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Just give him his press pass back and tell him he can't ask questions. Is the judge then going to order trump to answer his questions? If he yells have him arrested for disorderly conduct |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:28:15 PM EDT
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Agreed, trump should just ghost anyone from CNN, if they stand and ask a question Trump should just say "Any other questions" and if the guy refuses to sit down and throws a fit secret service can remove him. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just give him his press pass back and tell him he can't ask questions. Is the judge then going to order trump to answer his questions? If he yells have him arrested for disorderly conduct |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:38:56 PM EDT
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Wireless microphone should have a 12 second timer, each reporter has 12 seconds to ask their 1 question, then the mic shuts itself off.
It’s not a person shutting them off, it’s a timer. Each reporter is treated equally, each gets equal mouth time. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:44:34 PM EDT
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Press passes are a 1st ammendment right ? Ok the briefing room now gets 50 times bigger and we'll issue a shit ton more passes.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:48:12 PM EDT
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Simple. Stop having press conferences. Have a televised statement instead. If the press wants to ask questions they can get on whitehouse.gov like the rest of us peons. Yeah, it’s a little Banana Republic-ish, but what isn’t these days? TC |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 10:18:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: White House does not control the seating chart I'm astonished that people do not know how that shit really works. There have always been press briefings but only really started with TV back in the Clinton days. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 10:29:32 PM EDT
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There have been televised pressers since Eisenhower. When were you born? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: White House does not control the seating chart I'm astonished that people do not know how that shit really works. There have always been press briefings but only really started with TV back in the Clinton days. And while President John F. Kennedy was the first to hold a live TV press conference, the concept of a daily, live televised briefing didn't begin until the Clinton administration -- but that ended pretty quickly. "The briefing is more an opportunity to exchange ideas and to have a conversation about what's happening.That wasn't really happening in a way that as productively as we had hoped," reflected former Clinton Press Secretary Dee Dee Myers in an interview with C-Span. Former Clinton writer and journalist, Seth Masket, says he remembers those early days. "It was a little chaotic. It was a fairly new approach. Reporters didn't know how to cover it. The people who were actually providing these briefings were, for the most part, had just come off a successful presidential campaign and were trying to transition," he recalled. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 10:34:46 PM EDT
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I think it's time to call a DUPE
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/OFFICIAL-NEVERTRUMP-CIRCLE-JERK-PART-DEAUX/5-2038297/ |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 10:40:02 PM EDT
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There have been televised pressers since Eisenhower. When were you born? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: White House does not control the seating chart I'm astonished that people do not know how that shit really works. There have always been press briefings but only really started with TV back in the Clinton days. https://www.whitehousehistory.org/press-room/press-timelines/the-white-house-and-the-press-timeline |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 10:48:11 PM EDT
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It's a fine line that must be looked at objectively IMHO. The 5th amendment claim of Due Process is supported by case law from 1977 for this type of issue. In that case law it specifically talks about the claim of a person whose job it is to be a correspondent who is exercising their 1st amendment right. One of the issues I see with that case law is that it doesn't go over "decorum" in an appropriate manner and kind of leaves it open to 1a case law like no threats and such. Now I am not wanting a list of things you can and cannot say but having something in there rather than leaving it as it sits would have been much better. I think Trump handled it well but he needed to go through the proper process and case law to get to the proper end goal which should be Acosta being revoked and denied access. You go into any business or public place and act an ass---someone will show you the door. His press pass should be permanently rescinded. He has ZERO access or right to be in the White House. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 2:54:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. The tax payers own that house and Trump just lives there while he works for me. Unnless it is your position that only a person holding the deed to a property may control access to it? If that is your position, then I have a LOT of examples to the contrary. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 2:56:55 PM EDT
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Quote History |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 3:05:00 PM EDT
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Judicial tyranny is a real thing.
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Posted: 11/17/2018 3:49:35 PM EDT
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A GIF doesn't make it so. Is or is not the WHite House Trump's residence? Quote HistoryQuoted:
A GIF doesn't make it so. Is or is not the WHite House Trump's residence? |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 4:02:21 PM EDT
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I hate to break this to you but you're wrong. There is a process for giving out the press passes and there is a process for removing them. Trump is legally required to follow the case law that dictates how each is done. He doesn't get to violate that case law because of yours or his feelings on the subject and how much we despise Acosta. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A GIF doesn't make it so. Is or is not the WHite House Trump's residence? The judge is wrong. There is no First Amendment issue here. Pulling Acosta's pass was clearly because he was disruptive, and also over a course of time. There is no due process required for something that is not a right. There is no right to be permitted to attend a press briefing. Access is at the pleasure of the executive branch. This is a clear violation of separation of powers. "Case law" only applies to each particular case and to the extent a follow up court follows stare decisis, and further to the extent the facts and particular point of law applies to the current case. "Case law" does not operate like a statute. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 4:14:57 PM EDT
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Wow. Soup sandwich. The judge is wrong. There is no First Amendment issue here. Pulling Acosta's pass was clearly because he was disruptive, and also over a course of time. There is no due process required for something that is not a right. There is no right to be permitted to attend a press briefing. Access is at the pleasure of the executive branch. This is a clear violation of separation of powers. "Case law" only applies to each particular case and to the extent a follow up court follows stare decisis, and further to the extent the facts and particular point of law applies to the current case. "Case law" does not operate like a statute. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A GIF doesn't make it so. Is or is not the WHite House Trump's residence? The judge is wrong. There is no First Amendment issue here. Pulling Acosta's pass was clearly because he was disruptive, and also over a course of time. There is no due process required for something that is not a right. There is no right to be permitted to attend a press briefing. Access is at the pleasure of the executive branch. This is a clear violation of separation of powers. "Case law" only applies to each particular case and to the extent a follow up court follows stare decisis, and further to the extent the facts and particular point of law applies to the current case. "Case law" does not operate like a statute. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 4:18:16 PM EDT
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I don't think SS gives a fuck about due process. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 5:55:40 PM EDT
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It is a 5th and 1st amendment based case despite your objection to it. The 5th deals with personal property. Press passes remain property of the Government, not the individual to whom they're issued. I'll bet money it even says "Property of the US Government" right on them. As for the 1st, words mean things. "Congress shall make no law..." Congress is not involved in this in any way, and Jim Acosta not having a WH pass does not abridge his freedom to spout his bullshit at all. Nothing in the 1st says anyone in government has to assist the press in any way. At all. That includes speaking to them, or even acknowledging their existence. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 5:57:06 PM EDT
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Due process? FFS. This isn't a legal thing.
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Posted: 11/17/2018 6:16:04 PM EDT
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White House prepares for Jim Acosta's return
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Posted: 11/17/2018 6:20:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOh man now you've done it. Triggering in 3-2-1
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Posted: 11/17/2018 6:22:38 PM EDT
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"Lives there" makes it his RESIDENCE and he has the same rights there that a person renting an apartment or living in governemnt housing on a military base has. That includes throwing people out and bannign them. Unnless it is your position that only a person holding the deed to a property may control access to it? If that is your position, then I have a LOT of examples to the contrary. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: No. The tax payers own that house and Trump just lives there while he works for me. Unnless it is your position that only a person holding the deed to a property may control access to it? If that is your position, then I have a LOT of examples to the contrary. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 6:47:08 PM EDT
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Unlikely? The fucking video SHOWS him touching her and her arm being forced down. Fucking judges, they're a cancer on this nation. Black robed cocksuckers, given way to much power. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 6:56:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is laughable as the first Amendment guarantees a free press, not blanket access. |
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Posted: 11/17/2018 7:13:53 PM EDT
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I see crazy Sharyl Attkinson's name is getting dropped again. Here's the relevant DOJ OIG report on her "hacking" allegation that was found to be entirely unsubstantiated... https://www.scribd.com/document/254125757/DOJ-OIG-Report-Sharyl-Attkisson I'd recommend finding a better example of government overreach than her. She's ten pounds of "crazy" stuffed into a five pound bag. 
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Posted: 11/17/2018 7:35:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hate to break this to you but you're wrong. There is a process for giving out the press passes and there is a process for removing them. Quote HistoryQuoted: I hate to break this to you but you're wrong. There is a process for giving out the press passes and there is a process for removing them. Trump is legally required to follow the case law that dictates how each is done. He doesn't get to violate that case law because of yours or his feelings on the subject and how much we despise Acosta. |
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Posted: 11/18/2018 1:48:37 AM EDT
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