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Posted: 11/16/2018 3:29:30 PM EDT
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I think we're eventually headed to a system where each side has forbidden all press passes and no longer informs us of what is going on behind the closed doors until things get passed at which time it's too late to do anything about it. I also could be wrong too |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 3:29:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its a direct assualt on the 1st ammendment. I mean if obama did this, EVERYONE here would be screaming impeachment. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 3:30:36 PM EDT
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This is incorrect. The Executive is still bound by the Constitution, Bill of Rights and about a hundred years of immigration law and case law. You're saying POTUS could unilaterally decree "No immigration visas will be given to black people?" Yeah good luck with that interpretation of Article II powers... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: I don't disagree with your overall point - but the concept of "due process" isn't only limited to criminal law violations. For example, immigration (the legal kind) is one area where a person is entitled to due process even though they haven't been charged with a crime. Congress adopted a provision in 1952 saying the president "may by proclamation and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens and any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrants" whenever he thinks it "would be detrimental to the interests of the United States." |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 3:31:21 PM EDT
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It is a 5th and 1st amendment based case despite your objection to it. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 3:32:01 PM EDT
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Get it back to him......and just as he touches it yank it away and give him the paper that declares him a physical threat to the Pres and/or Family. I'm sure the fucker has tweeted something that can be seen as a threat.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 3:32:42 PM EDT
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Just stop doing to press conferences. Problem solved. Dont play stupid games with little children. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 3:34:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait is she really an anti-vaxxer? "For all those who’ve declared the autism-vaccine debate over – a new scientific review begs to differ. It considers a host of peer-reviewed, published theories that show possible connections between vaccines and autism." She was at it as late as 2014, if not longer. May be at it today. I don't know. Her credibility dropped to basically zero, so she has faded from the spotlight. Big time defender of Andrew Wakefield. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 3:39:48 PM EDT
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Now that Trump's judge and CNN made him look like a fucking fool with this Acosta dog and pony show, If him or Sarah Huckabee call on ANY CNN reporter in the next 2 years I'm staying home on Election Day in 2020.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 3:47:50 PM EDT
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Does the Prez not appoint senior officers? Their people Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see crazy Sharyl Attkinson's name is getting dropped again. Here's the relevant DOJ OIG report on her "hacking" allegation that was found to be entirely unsubstantiated... https://www.scribd.com/document/254125757/DOJ-OIG-Report-Sharyl-Attkisson I'd recommend finding a better example of government overreach than her. She's ten pounds of "crazy" stuffed into a five pound bag. You do you. Their people |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 3:48:11 PM EDT
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Now that Trump's judge and CNN made him look like a fucking fool with this Acosta dog and pony show, If him or Sarah Huckabee call on ANY CNN reporter in the next 2 years I'm staying home on Election Day in 2020. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 3:50:43 PM EDT
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Oh the irony. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 3:53:23 PM EDT
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I think we're eventually headed to a system where each side has forbidden all press passes and no longer informs us of what is going on behind the closed doors until things get passed at which time it's too late to do anything about it. I also could be wrong too I am not wrong |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 3:56:03 PM EDT
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Have a hearing and Trump's the judge? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Due process how? Like he needs to have a hearing before they can throw him out? |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 3:57:19 PM EDT
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LOL so now a press pass is a right?
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Posted: 11/16/2018 3:57:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its a direct assualt on the 1st ammendment. I mean if obama did this, EVERYONE here would be screaming impeachment. It's called a decorum, politeness, something the left is clueless about. Fucking whiney bitches. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 3:58:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never heard knowledgeable people referring to the IG community as "[current president]'s folks". You do you. The reality is that once a President is in office a few years the upper level bureaucrats his administration put in place are of his ilk! And the people they hire are then like them. So after a few years we end up with a lot of folks that are not objective. The kind of people that abuse the power of all governmental agencies fro their own political purposes, examples are very clear with Lois Lerner's at the IRS, the DOJ IG finding no bias at the FBI, etc.. This seems to be much more extreme with the Obama administration than previously, but it is always the case! |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 3:59:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its a direct assualt on the 1st ammendment. I mean if obama did this, EVERYONE here would be screaming impeachment. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:00:17 PM EDT
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Trump should quit doing press conferences and just do AMAs on reddit, using speech-to-text transcription.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:02:44 PM EDT
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Now that Trump's judge and CNN made him look like a fucking fool with this Acosta dog and pony show, If him or Sarah Huckabee call on ANY CNN reporter in the next 2 years I'm staying home on Election Day in 2020. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:04:01 PM EDT
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How so? The 1st Amendment does not specify that every single reporter from a press entity is guaranteed access to a press conference. In this case, "the Press" is CNN. As long as CNN is not excluded, there is no violation of the 1A, despite what any individual judge may rule. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Its a direct assualt on the 1st ammendment. I mean if obama did this, EVERYONE here would be screaming impeachment. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:19:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not even an issue with the 1st but rather the 5th Now, if Trump forced him to take a ride on Marine 1, you might have a point. Hmmm, how many people could they fit on Marine 1? |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:22:22 PM EDT
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How so? The 1st Amendment does not specify that every single reporter from a press entity is guaranteed access to a press conference. In this case, "the Press" is CNN. As long as CNN is not excluded, there is no violation of the 1A, despite what any individual judge may rule. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Its a direct assualt on the 1st ammendment. I mean if obama did this, EVERYONE here would be screaming impeachment. They played the same avoid or remove game, just more dastardly in their methods. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:23:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are existing rules: The code of federal regulations that now guides the White House press pass process states that "In granting or denying a request for a security clearance made in response to an application for a White House press pass, officials of the Secret Service will be guided solely by the principle of whether the applicant presents a potential source of physical danger to the President and/or the family of the President so serious as to justify his or her exclusion from White House press privileges." The White House never claimed Acosta was a security threat. ---- The government did not play by their own rules and revoked the pass just because 
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:23:59 PM EDT
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So the courts are going to manage the White House press room now? https://media1.tenor.com/images/5684efb5a71699d2efaa13baba0dbb2c/tenor.gif?itemid=7715492 |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:27:04 PM EDT
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It's the people's house, not Trump's. Remember? |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:28:20 PM EDT
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Because Constitutional rights are at stake and those are decisions made for the courts and not at the whim of a man who is having feud with another man. This isn't a hard concept. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It may be. However, it is better than what was in place before. Which was nothing and the SS didn't have to tell you anything essentially. This is Trump's opportunity to make it better.  |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:28:28 PM EDT
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Never call his name
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:28:38 PM EDT
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 Trump reacts to judge's ruling on Jim Acosta's press pass |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:30:03 PM EDT
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It's the people's house, not Trump's. Remember? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So the courts are going to manage the White House press room now? https://media1.tenor.com/images/5684efb5a71699d2efaa13baba0dbb2c/tenor.gif?itemid=7715492 |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:30:34 PM EDT
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“1st amendment violation” folks:
Explain your position, I dare you. Banning an intentionally abusive and disruptive individual (on multiple occasions) is not a violation of anything. He’s not being threatened or imprisoned, and he’s not being prevented from writing whatever drivel he produces. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:31:15 PM EDT
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Okay, this is a textbook example of the corruption of the judiciary. I can go along with the court's findings except the last one. There is no irreparable harm to CNN or Acosta. Irreparable harm was intended to refer to something which truly cannot be replaced or restored by money, such as the destruction of a historical monument or building. Courts have watered down the concept of irreparable injury or harm to the point where it has become meaningless. Without that requirement, courts can do this activist nonsense like they've done here, and did in the other "injunction" cases. It's really time for an appeals court to smack them down and return to the requirement of irreparable injury to put an end to all this "Hawaiian Judge" crap. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:32:35 PM EDT
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"1st amendment violation" folks: Explain your position, I dare you. Banning an intentionally abusive and disruptive individual is not a violation of anything. He's not being threatened or imprisoned, and he's not being prevented from writing whatever drivel he produces. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:37:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It isn't a 5th amendment thing, either. Acosta has no right to be there. None of his rights were harmed in any way. Now, if Trump forced him to take a ride on Marine 1, you might have a point. Hmmm, how many people could they fit on Marine 1? |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:41:53 PM EDT
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There are zero Constitutionally enumerated rights at stake at a press conference. Trump should just stop hosting them entirely. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:49:25 PM EDT
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Now that Trump's judge and CNN made him look like a fucking fool with this Acosta dog and pony show, If him or Sarah Huckabee call on ANY CNN reporter in the next 2 years I'm staying home on Election Day in 2020. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:50:36 PM EDT
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For starters Judge Kelly said that The White House was within its rights to ignore Acosta from here on in, to never call on him and to grant him no interviews if it wants to.
In other words Acosta would be nothing more than a spectator. "I want to emphasize the very limited nature of this ruling," Judge Kelly said, The Hill reported. It is limited because the decision is only temporary. Judge Kelly did not rule whether or not Acosta's First and Fifth Amendment rights were violated |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:53:18 PM EDT
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You actually think Jim Acosta needs to be called before he opens his fucking pie hole? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Now that Trump's judge and CNN made him look like a fucking fool with this Acosta dog and pony show, If him or Sarah Huckabee call on ANY CNN reporter in the next 2 years I'm staying home on Election Day in 2020. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:53:44 PM EDT
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Nonsense. Every reporter there should be able to stand up and yell at the top of their lungs for the duration of the press conference without any recourse. Anything less and we have a 1st amendment violation. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:54:15 PM EDT
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I think we are getting to the point where liberals will have destroyed journalism for generations. We are witnessing the death of liberalism which is being replaced by hard-left communism. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:54:24 PM EDT
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Nonsense. Every reporter there should be able to stand up and yell at the top of their lungs for the duration of the press conference without any recourse. Anything less and we have a 1st amendment violation. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:56:49 PM EDT
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From the 1977 case law: That is one of the reasons why Acosta could file and challenge. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The 1977 case actually helps set up a standard for the time that was reasonable. Up until then there was no release of info by the SS as to why people were denied their 1a rights. How you don't see that as a problem is mind boggling. I suspect it has something to do with the fact that you either didn't read the relevant parts of the case or don't understand the implications of it. Let me put it this way. If Hillary had won and she revoked all the press passes of all Conservative news organizations, as you are suggesting Trump should do to Acosta, would you be upset with that and complaining? The case law might not be the best, not may things are nowadays, but up until this point it hasn't been an issue. Trump now has the opportunity to appeal case law and take the to the SCOTUS to have it changed. Why is that a bad thing? Why should he not have to follow case law? This is the stupidest fucking thing I think that's happened to Trump so far. With respect to its requirement of notice and opportunity to rebut, the Court relied on its determination that denial of a White House press pass constitutes a deprivation of "liberty" without due process of law within the meaning of the fifth amendment because it interferes with the free exercise of the profession of journalism. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:57:15 PM EDT
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I think we're eventually headed to a system where each side has forbidden all press passes and no longer informs us of what is going on behind the closed doors until things get passed at which time it's too late to do anything about it. I also could be wrong too Both parties expand the reach of the government while their own fans cheer for it, then when the other party takes over, they pick up where the last one left off instead of rolling back anything |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:57:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Change it to a daily briefing by video, online transcript and no interaction. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:59:28 PM EDT
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Refuse to call on Acosta, and if he yells out of turn immediately end the press conference. Every time this happens make it clear that it's because of Acosta's behavior.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 5:00:18 PM EDT
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Calling up that number is a righteous stand that a real man would make. Standing up and questioning the president however is s pitiful act of butthurt Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So is calling up the Judge's office and yelling, screaming, and crying about the issue to some intern or clerk because GD said so |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 5:00:28 PM EDT
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Calling up that number is a righteous stand that a real man would make. Standing up and questioning the president however is s pitiful act of butthurt Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So is calling up the Judge's office and yelling, screaming, and crying about the issue to some intern or clerk because GD said so |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 5:04:48 PM EDT
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Nobody will perceive this except for Stephanie, the poor intern that's trying to get her 3 hours of credit for her poli sci degree... There are places were the voice of the people should be heard. A federal judge's chambers isn't one of them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Not exactly sure that getting everyone to call and harass some poor clerk (or intern) is going to work out the way you think it will...  That doesn't sound very conservative. There are places were the voice of the people should be heard. A federal judge's chambers isn't one of them. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 5:05:39 PM EDT
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LOL so now a press pass is a right? It's not a right. It's a privilege. Many other "journalists" would love to be in the White House but they can't. These press conferences aren't mandatory either. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 5:07:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not what he did it's how he does it. He flagrantly denies others their right to access the president. He takes over and won't relent to others wanting to exercise their rights. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 5:07:18 PM EDT
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And if it was Obama, he would have CNN fire the reporter, and that would be following due process. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is establishing due process based on a 5th amendment of why someone was being denied and establishing a standard for appealing the denial of passes. |
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