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Posted: 11/22/2003 4:09:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/22/2003 4:09:57 AM EDT by Red_Beard]


GOP-Led House Approves Medicare Bill
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By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent

WASHINGTON - The Republican-controlled House approved a bitterly contested Medicare prescription drug bill early Saturday in an epic struggle settled near dawn. The vote was 220-215.


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House GOP Seeks Victory on Medicare Bill
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Passage of the measure capped an extraordinary roll call that began at 3 a.m. and consumed nearly three hours before the GOP leadership could overcome a rebellion by conservatives in their own ranks and the overwhelming opposition of Democrats.


"In the end, democracy works," said Rep. David Hobson, R-Ohio, as weary Republicans marked their overtime victory.


"We won it fair and square and they stole it by hook and crook," countered House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi.


The vote sent the measure to the Senate, where supporters expressed growing confidence they would prevail. President Bush (news - web sites) is eager to sign the bill, which would give 40 million seniors and disabled Americans a prescription drug benefit and a new option for private health care coverage.


"After this legislation goes into effect, low-income seniors will never be confronted with the choice of putting food on the table or paying for life-saving prescription drugs," Speaker Dennis Hastert said well after midnight, just before the lights dimmed in the chamber to signal the beginning of the longest roll call in the history of the House.


But Pelosi said seniors know that her party gave birth to Medicare during the Great Society, adding, "we want to protect it and strengthen it. America's seniors have also known where Republicans stand, for four decades they have waged war on Medicare."


The bill represented a political compromise of sorts — the new prescription drug benefit, coupled with federal subsidies designed to give private insurance companies incentives to establish new managed care plans around the country.


Republicans said these new plans, either preferred provider organizations or HMOs, would modernize Medicare, providing better coverage at lower cost. Democrats expressed skepticism, saying they marked the first step on the road toward privatization.


Dozens of lawmakers, participants and spectators both, waited out the drama of the middle-of-the-night roll call, as Hastert, his lieutenants and Department of Health and Human Service Secretary Tommy Thompson shuttled from one GOP holdout to another seeking enough votes to prevail. GOP aides said Bush lobbied by phone from the White House.


The vote was stuck at 216 to 218 for over an hour, and the bill appeared on the verge of defeat, before a flurry of last-minute switches. "I did not want to vote for this bill," said Rep. C.L. (Butch) Otter, R-Idaho. He did, one of a handful of late GOP converts, He said afterward he became convinced that if the measure were defeated, another one would come back to the House floor even less to his liking.


The bill drew the support of 204 Republicans and 16 Democrats, many of whom waited until the bill appeared on the verge of passage in the final moments of the roll call before swinging behind it. Voting no were 189 Democrats, 25 Republicans and 1 independent.


Nearly 20 hours earlier, Republicans projected confidence, even bravado. "I look forward to the presidential signing ceremony," said California Rep. Bill Thomas, a key architect of a measure making the most sweeping changes in Medicare since the program's creation in 1965.


But that was before the near-solid wall of Democratic opposition, the stubborn refusal of conservatives to bend, the hours of debate, the behind-the-scenes lobbying, the presidential phone calls from Air Force One and the still-undisclosed deals made to secure passage.


"You'd think we were talking about different bills from the rhetoric we've heard this evening," said Rep. Deborah Pryce, R-Ohio, as the debate unfolded Friday night.


There was no disputing that.


"This is a defining issue," said Rep. Jim McGovern, D-Mass., as he made a case for rejecting the measure. "This bill is a huge giveaway to the prescription drug companies. And worst of all, this bill shoves Medicare down that path toward privatization."


"This bill is really all about a fair deal," countered Thomas, the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee. "Modernize Medicare with prescription drugs, but put Medicare back on a sound financial basis as well."

As written, the legislation would virtually remake Medicare.

For the first time, seniors earning more than $80,000 a year would be required to pay a higher premium for their Part B non-hospital coverage under Medicare.

For the first time, the legislation would also require seniors with annual incomes over $80,000 to pay higher premiums under Medicare Part B, which covers services outside the hospital. Additionally, it would establish new tax-preferred health accounts, open to individuals with high-deductible insurance policies.

The tax provision and the requirement for higher premiums were part of an effort to appeal to conservatives who favor transforming Medicare and restraining its cost, yet find creation of the new prescription drug benefit distasteful.

Many Democrats argued that some of the conservative-backed elements of the bill were too dear a price to pay for the drug benefit — particularly a provision creating a limited experiment in direct competition between private plans and traditional Medicare beginning in 2010.

Conservatives said just the opposite.

Rep. Tom Feeney, R-Fla., fielded an afternoon phone call from Bush, who was flying home from England aboard Air Force One. "I basically said it was a matter of principle, that I came to Washington not to ratify and to expand Great Society programs," said the first-term lawmaker. "He wasn't happy to hear that."

Link Posted: 11/22/2003 4:11:53 AM EDT
these fucking slime will sell you down the river in a heartbeat if it can buy them votes

i'm starting to hope the camel fuckers pop off a nuke in dc
Link Posted: 11/22/2003 4:22:19 AM EDT
From www.RushLimbaugh.com:





What I Think of the Medicare Expansion

November 20, 2003


It is an amazing thing to watch the Democratic Party savage the AARP as if they're Newt Gingrich. The Democrats are trying to terrify the very senior citizens they have claimed to love and want to protect from suffering for 60 years. Meanwhile, there's a huge White House push on this bill. This just doesn't add up - unless you realize that Democrats put their concern for regaining political power above their concern for their constituents.

As I explain to the caller in the audio link below, this is Bush and Karl Rove's effort to destroy the Democratic Party by stealing their issues. Usually, I get a lot of calls when I question a GOP position as I have this bad bill, but that hasn't happened yet. Even seniors are quiet. Only 40 or 50 of the AARP's 40 million members protested, and those hapless few couldn't even burn their membership cards because they're plastic! If a Democrat were president, this bill would sail into law. The bottom line is, this Medicare expansion is the single largest entitlement in the last 40 years.

I don't care how they dress this up; this is Republicans trying to outdo Democrats for an election year. There are elements that many Republicans have been pushing, such as medical savings accounts. Of course, the bill only calls for them to be "tested" in 2010, and that's going to be the first thing killed off by any Democrat Congress between now and then. These accounts are good - if they ever truly happen. It would be far cheaper to give a pile of money to the 20 million uninsured (their inflated number), and let them keep it if they spend it so they spend it wisely, than it is to put this new entitlement on the backs of all Americans.


Democrats Opposes - and GOP Supports - Bad Bill for Wrong Reasons



We have these pharmaceutical companies advertising their wares, and making you feel like you need them - and the thinking is now, "Well, the government should fulfill that need!" It's a very short hop from there to saying that the government should fulfill all needs. For example, I had a caller tell me, "We need wage and price controls!" Folks, those never work. Oh, businesses are happy to cap wages and blame the government, but you can't simply come out and make everything cost five cents. That's not how the market works, because entrepreneurs get around it.

After all, you can't afford to produce whatever it is you produce in your job for 50 cents, can you? Imagine if we all had hotel insurance like health insurance, folks. Everyone would stay at the Waldorf. It's the same way when you book your own vacation versus a business trip, isn't it? Of course. Well, people think that someone else is paying for their prescription drugs and health care so they don't shop around! (See: Until You Pay for Health Care, Costs Won't Come Down) Health is not some magic force outside the laws of supply and demand. The only way to control prices is to put the consumer in control.

The politicians have long sought power over this aspect of your life, so they've weaseled their way into the process so you pay homage to them for every headache. The health care industry is now a great example of what socialism would be like all through society. It all comes back to the taxpayers of this country, folks. Employers are actually starting to demand that their employees exercise good health behavior, doing things like asking about trips to the doctor and shopping around for the best health care plans. We need to get the people back into the pricing.




Link Posted: 11/22/2003 4:36:36 AM EDT
It only proves that there is little difference between the Republicans and Democrats. Both parties have one agenda... pander to the electorate to stay in power.

Neither party believe in limited government.
Link Posted: 11/22/2003 4:44:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By illigb:


Neither party believe in limited government.



I know...doesn't that suck.


-HS
Link Posted: 11/22/2003 4:53:00 AM EDT
Tweedely-dee, or Tweedely-dum??? Communism is alive and well in the USA....

God DAMN them all to HELL!!!
Link Posted: 11/22/2003 5:14:15 AM EDT
Don't blame the GOP or the Demo(n)crats.......blame your Mother and Father!

The "Senior Greed" is kicking in.

The generation that bought the concept of the "NANNY STATE" is saying "GIMME-GIMME-GIMME"!

You and I are stuck in the middle and are now DEMANDED to sacrifice the futures of OUR children and grandchildren to the "SELFISH SENIORS".........the politicians are just the vehicle to do it.

On this issue the blame belongs AT HOME!

THANKS MOM & DAD for the major screw-job!
Link Posted: 11/22/2003 5:20:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:
these fucking slime will sell you down the river in a heartbeat if it can buy them votes

i'm starting to hope the camel fuckers pop off a nuke in dc



How could you possibly hope for something like that? Surely you jest! Is that your answer to a political decision that you don't like? Wow!
Link Posted: 11/22/2003 5:32:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Raynor_Schiene:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:
these fucking slime will sell you down the river in a heartbeat if it can buy them votes

i'm starting to hope the camel fuckers pop off a nuke in dc



How could you possibly hope for something like that? Surely you jest! Is that your answer to a political decision that you don't like? Wow!



no joke

i already spend half of each year working for someone else

enough is enough

Link Posted: 11/22/2003 5:44:19 AM EDT
Redbeard,

Get a grip!!!
Link Posted: 11/22/2003 5:49:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:
i'm starting to hope the camel fuckers pop off a nuke in dc



And the Taliban and Al Quaida feel the same way. Are you sure you really want to hope for this? If so, then you are an enemy of the state.
Link Posted: 11/22/2003 6:17:17 AM EDT
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