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Posted: 11/20/2003 8:21:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/20/2003 8:22:17 PM EDT by Aimless]
Link Posted: 11/20/2003 8:22:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/20/2003 8:24:40 PM EDT by DK-Prof]
Tikka-Koski (also known as Suomi)


Link Posted: 11/20/2003 8:25:38 PM EDT
I would say the Thompson
and the MP40 a close second
Link Posted: 11/20/2003 8:30:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/20/2003 8:34:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/20/2003 8:43:43 PM EDT
The only two on your list that actually belong there are the Thompson and Beretta. The Suomi was another gun that the Germans and Russians used all the exampels they could lay their hands upon in prefrence to the MP40 or any of the PPS/PPSh family.

The only other possible contender for this title is the Owen.
Link Posted: 11/20/2003 8:53:14 PM EDT
What about the M3? The "Greasegun"? It was pretty rough looking, but it was cheap and easy to manufacture, rugged, easy to clean, and when that was my issue weapon in the early 70's, I never had a failure to fire. That ugly hunk of junk just kept on like the Energizer Bunny.
Link Posted: 11/20/2003 10:48:14 PM EDT
Uh, HELLO? The Sterling?
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 1:08:42 AM EDT
Dont know. Ive only shot a Thompson, so I'd just be repeating what Ive read or been told.
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 1:33:08 AM EDT
Again, what's "Best" mean?

As far as accuracy/cost/reliability, I'd say the Beretta & Stirling rule the roost and they're not even on the list.

Whatever.
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 3:37:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/21/2003 10:41:26 AM EDT by glimmerman68]
Having only shot the Thompson and the Sten it's Thompson hands down. It's point and shoot characteristics are second to none.

Link Posted: 11/21/2003 4:23:34 AM EDT
While the Thompson looks nice and is a true "American" gun it had some serious drawbacks during the war. It was expensive to make, jammed regularly if not kept clean,they were heavy and it was hard to control on full auto. I'd love to have one but they're not the perfect sub-gun. Now if it just comes down to which one do you "like" then I'd go MP-40. It's got an underfolder stock so it's compact, in 9mm it's controlable in full auto and you can find 9mm anywhere in the world. Second choice would be the "Pep-pah-sha", PPSH-41, that 71 rnd. drum mag could sure come in handy.
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 4:54:35 AM EDT
I found it interesting that some SF units deployed have Stens secured with bungi cords to the inside of their Hummers for quick access.
The quote i read basicaly said they were prefered for their reliability, and easier to get to and employ while inside a vehicle.
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 5:37:40 AM EDT
Peter Weeks in "Infantry Weapons", Ed Ezell in "Small Arms of the World", and Roy Dunlop in "Ordnance Went Up Front" all agree that the Beretta was the most highly regarded sub gun of the war, by all the combatants that used it or had it used against them.

The Sterling did not exist during the war, and its grand-daddy, the Patchett, only saw extremely limited service during the Arnhem operation (per Peter Laidler in "The Guns of Dagenham").

Link Posted: 11/21/2003 5:57:58 AM EDT
Growing up my dad was a judge and had some interesting toys. This included at one time a 1928 thompson, M3, mp40 and a c96 30 luger select fire broomhandle.

The Thompson is cool, but feels like it weighs as much as an m1 but still has terrible climbe even with a cuts comp. The m3 is a bush beater, if a bush moves, mow it down. Sights were better on my Red Rider bb gun. Although not on the list or realy fit, the c96 was my fav! Riiiiiip! Esp with the shoulder stock!

For this discussion the mp40 is just great. I can not say about battle conditions, but you could write your name on a wall with it.

I have never shot a sten, I've been told it is on par with a mp40.

Dad's older brother was in in Italy in WWII and claims all the italian auto weapons the 38's and the 34 pistols were so so.

I would love to shoot a ppsh. If I got the chance I would bet it would be my pick. the 7.62 is a nasty little round.
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 6:05:32 AM EDT
Quite right, it was the Lanchester (manufactured by Sterling) that I was thinking of.
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 9:20:51 AM EDT
No one had mentioned the Stg 44, or would we consider this too little too late to be part of the poll? Out of the choices I'd pick up the Thompson.
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 9:35:17 AM EDT
Not sure if the STG-44 was considered a "submachinegun". Anyone know?
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 9:37:20 AM EDT
The 88mm the Germans had on theirs.

Oh, I thought you said "submarine" gun.
Nevermind.
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 9:44:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 9:46:20 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 9:47:34 AM EDT
I voted mp-40.

I always liked those german guns from ww2 era.
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 9:55:06 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 10:03:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/21/2003 11:15:12 AM EDT by Alien]
I voted for the Thompson but I'm pretty ignorant on the technical aspects of the other guns . I'd take it in the M1A1 Saving Private Ryan flavor of course
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 10:15:55 AM EDT
I've shot the 1928,STEN and the MP38/40,And would have say the STEN as a fighting weapon.Simpler to make,shoots ok for what it is and with the side feed you can get a lot lower to the ground.But if we were talking which would I would pick to have for grins...Thompson 1921 or 28
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 10:33:33 AM EDT
The Owen would be in the running...
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 10:50:00 AM EDT
Of the 4 subguns I've fired, Uzi, CZ26, Sten, M1A1, the M1A1 was the most controllable.

Seems the British Commandos in WWII refused to give up their Thompsons for Stens. This should be a clue.

Link Posted: 11/21/2003 11:02:45 AM EDT
I do so like the Thompson SMG.A chunk of iron to be sure,but it will do the damage with those 230 gr.fmj's.Grip it,lean in,hose'r down.A man that can use the Thompson can be very artistic indeed.That mass absorbes a ton of heat and recoil.Easy to get 2-3 shot bursts.A real pleasure to do business with.Col.Thompson had a winner then ....and now!
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 1:24:19 PM EDT
I voted PPSH, I was issued a grease gun and wasn't very fond of it. I have fired a Sten and it was ok but the side magazine was awkward to me. Fired a tommy gun too, damn that thing was heavy, I wouldn't like to tote that chunk of steel across europe. The berettas were nice from what I heard and the MP 40s were very good but from what I recall the PPSH help save russia arse from the german hordes and is still in service in one form or another to this day.
However if I were to pick one for my own and not which was possibly the best of WWII I would choose the MP40, it just look cool.
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 1:35:36 PM EDT
If you mean the best made, I'd go with the MP-40. If you mean the most battle worthy, one that was effective and reliable, I'd go with the ppsh41. It was dependable and sought after by Germans on the Russian front. As the Russians like to say, "Better is the enemy of good enough." Russian arms developed in WWII were not always the prettiest, but they worked.
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 1:55:23 PM EDT
Another vote for the PPSh41. Not pretty, but cheap, fast/easy to manufacture & effective. 71rnd drum & MAC10 level of fire (~900rpm). 7.62x25 shoots flat & penetrates better than 9x19.

DK-Prof has a point re the M31 Suomi, which the Soviets copied the PPSH41 drum mag from.

Another fav, though nowhere near the 'best' smg is the Lanchester. It has a certain panache with the Lee-Enfield style stock, 50rnd horizontal mag, bronze mag well & bayonet lug.
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 2:04:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
The 88mm the Germans had on theirs.

Oh, I thought you said "submarine" gun.
Nevermind.





I remember once watching a Hill Street Blues episode on Danish T.V., and laughing my ass off when the subtitles indicated that the police officers were looking for a guy who had used a "submarine gun" in a robbery.
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