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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:40:29 AM EDT
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Huh? Your sentance is unclear.
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:40:41 AM EDT
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You do know phone calls mean absolutely dick, right?
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:41:15 AM EDT
[#3]
And this surprises anyone why?
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:42:33 AM EDT
[#4]
He said the ATF will deny all form 1's. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:43:54 AM EDT
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That's right. If you're dealing with the government, get it in writing. Otherwise it is meaningless. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:56:18 AM EDT
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So the ATF would laugh in the face of the decision and still enforce what is in the states under the 9th, an unconstitutional law? No way, wow who would have thought the ATF of all federal agencies would do that
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Posted: 11/17/2003 7:01:31 AM EDT
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What we need is a pro-2nd Amendment lawyer to submit a Form 1 and start the fight...
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Posted: 11/17/2003 7:06:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/17/2003 7:23:13 AM EDT
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We need a Constitution which both limits the power of the government, federally and in the states, and a method of checks and balances to prohibit one branch of the government from getting too powerful.
Oh wait, that's what we had 40 years ago  What we have now is a former Republic in which all three branches of government ignore the 10th and 14th Admendments and only comment on each other when one of them is getting in the way - all three branches are expanding their powers as quickly and as broadly as they can. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 7:27:05 AM EDT
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If someone wants to start a fight between the 9th and the ATF, file a form 1 for a reciever tube... Then file a suit in federal court when they deny you...
Of course, unless you're a lawyer, it's gonna cost you... There may be a way to merely file a complaint, but I think it has to be a full blown lawsuit... |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 7:30:05 AM EDT
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This is actually happening as you speak. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 7:36:33 AM EDT
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We need to get details posted. I, for one, would be willing to contribute this person's expenses related to fighting this battle. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 7:38:54 AM EDT
[#14]
As would I |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 7:57:58 AM EDT
[#15]
You should have asked that idiot if they're going to start enforcing prohibition law again as well. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 8:07:30 AM EDT
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Was just reading subguns.com
They have a few people filing form1s from AZ... Hopefully someone's rich enough, connected enough, or POed enough to make themselves a test case... |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 8:09:52 AM EDT
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Shocking
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Posted: 11/17/2003 8:19:24 AM EDT
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Now we just need it to spread to the other circuits... Since the govt won't appeal, this means someone's gotta test-case themselves (file form 1 & get denied) in every circuit, and sue the ATF claiming 922(o) to be unconstitutional... However, it would be nice, in a few years, to be able to devise some 'novel' device for converting an AK or AR to FA, or to see how many different ways an aluminum tube and Sten barrel/bolt/magwell can become a MG... |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 8:38:24 AM EDT
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1: Have a lawyer obtain a certified copy of the ruling.
2: Have the lawyer get it notarized, and cosign it. 3: Have the lawyer draft up an explanatory note. 4: Have the lawyer send this notarized, certified copy of the ruling, the note, and your Form 1 to the ATF. See what sticks. CJ |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 8:42:05 AM EDT
[#20]
Heheheh. You got that right. Bring it on, bitch. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 9:09:24 AM EDT
[#21]
Just whose country is this, anyway??? What happened to "We The People"? When did it become "We the .gov"?
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Posted: 11/17/2003 9:42:09 AM EDT
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No shit...
When we have a revenue agency posing as a police force AND using deadly force to selectively enforce laws that may or may not be unconstitutional regardless of what the legislative OR judicial branches rule, we have got a police state on our hands. 
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Posted: 11/17/2003 9:49:03 AM EDT
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Sorry for not know, i need to be shot, Whats the deal with this 922(o) and form 1's. Please explain. Thanks...
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Posted: 11/17/2003 9:54:13 AM EDT
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A form 1 is a tax paid application to make and register a firearm, in this case a machinegun. 922(o) is the legislation prohibiting the registration of any new machineguns (transferrables) to anything other than le or military (government) entities. 922(o) has been ruled unconstitutional in the 9th circuit. If it stands that means cheap machineguns again in the future. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 10:12:29 AM EDT
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First if it holds up and we can do the MG thing cheap again that great. The only thing I see is if it is held up the ATF NFA branch will delay even more that they do now and it will be forever before the form 1 comes back. I say this as I wait for my form 4 for my sound suppressor to come back from atf.
If it does get held up and form 1's are approved, I will be machining like mad. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 10:30:03 AM EDT
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This won't go to the USSC. So you'll have to get a similar ruling in your circuit... |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 10:39:39 AM EDT
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With the current make-up of SCOTUS, are you sure you want a ruling? This may also give more ammo to passing the AWB and extending it to machine guns. Also, what about silencers?
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Posted: 11/17/2003 12:55:24 PM EDT
[#28]
My thoughts exactly. Not like it was an abortion ruling or free speech or something, in which case they wpuld jump through hoops to abide by instantly. |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 6:51:06 AM EDT
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We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
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Posted: 12/8/2003 6:59:45 AM EDT
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Why don't we have everyone pitch in $5 or so? Have the forum get a laywer and go from there... I'm sure there is enough people on here and who are willing to raise enough money.
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