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Posted: 11/14/2003 1:44:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/18/2003 3:23:57 AM EDT by Red_Beard]
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November 14, 2003


Note: This message is the first in a series about the pending
Medicare prescription-drug bill.

Congress will soon vote on the most far-reaching and the most
costly expansion of the federal government in our nation's
history when it takes up the Medicare prescription-drug bill
(H.R. 1). If H.R. 1 is approved by Congress and signed by
President Bush, our country will never be the same. By
comparison, the proposed Medicare prescription-drug "entitlement
benefit" makes FDR's New Deal and LBJ's Great Society look like
small and cheap federal programs.

Tragically, many of the biggest and most costly federal programs
in our nation's history were negotiated in secret and then given
to congressional members with little or no time for them to read,
let alone study, the legislation itself. This is the age of
instantaneous electronic communication...there is no excuse to
repeat this except as an underhanded tactic to prevent ugly
details from being discovered. Unfortunately, the Medicare
prescription-drug bill will be no exception.

This is such a concern in the House of Representatives that on
October 29, 2003, 41 House members signed a letter asking the
House leadership for "at least three calendar days" to study the
bill before having to vote on it. The second paragraph of the
letter reads: "The general public will evaluate not only what
Congress does regarding Medicare and prescription drugs, but the
way in which it does it. A bill proposing such substantive
changes to the Medicare system and costing an estimated $400
billion over the next decade deserves the careful and thoughtful
consideration of all Members." To see a copy of the letter with
the names of the 41 signatories, go to
http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/kline1.htm .

Again, this message is the first in a series about the Medicare
prescription-drug bill. To learn more and be better prepared to
contact your congressional delegation, go to
http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/medicare.htm . That page has
a collection of articles, commentaries, cartoons and graphs.

Kent Snyder
The Liberty Committee
http://www.thelibertycommittee.org

Link Posted: 11/14/2003 2:14:20 PM EDT
Do you know who the sponsors are??



I wonder if the tweedely-dees, will jump on the bandwagon, like they did for "education"...
Link Posted: 11/15/2003 8:34:23 PM EDT
Nov 15, 8:36 PM (ET)

By MARK SHERMAN

(AP) President Bush makes remarks at a forum on senior medicare benefits, Thursday, Nov. 13, 2003, in...
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WASHINGTON (AP) - Republican congressional leaders said they sealed a tentative agreement Saturday on a new prescription drug benefit for the nation's seniors, which would be the largest expansion in Medicare's history.

"We have come to an agreement on principles," Senate Majority Bill Frist said.

Talks that lasted most of the day smoothed over the last remaining wrinkles in the bill, including a proposal to have traditional Medicare compete directly with new private insurance plans and a plan to encourage employers to maintain drug coverage for retirees, officials said.

Two key Democrats, Sens. Max Baucus of Montana and John Breaux of Louisiana, joined Frist, Speaker Dennis Hastert of Illinois and other top Republicans in Frist's office to announce the accord, which Baucus stressed would remain tentative until lawmakers had a chance to see the details of the complex legislation.

But the agreement ends months of negotiations over the drug benefit and a broad reworking of the Medicare program to give private insurers a new large role in health care for 40 million older and disabled Americans.

It must win approval of House and Senate negotiators, many of whom have been meeting for months in search of a compromise. The legislation would then go to the full House and Senate, where tough questions await from lawmakers in both parties.

The prescription drug bill has been a top domestic priority for President Bush, who earlier Saturday used his radio address to make another appeal for a bill.

"Congress has an historic opportunity to give all our seniors prescription drug coverage, health care choices and a healthier, more secure retirement," the president said.

Frist predicted the call would be answered. "We are very optimistic we'll be able to send a bipartisan bill to the president ... in the next few days," he said.

Lawmakers believe they have found a way to reduce the number of retirees who would lose their employer-based coverage, without increasing the $70 billion they had set aside to achieve that. That issue has been a top concern of the politically potent AARP.

At the same time, their new proposal would provide more money to low-income seniors who currently receive their drug coverage through Medicaid, the joint federal-state program for the poor.

Baucus said he was pleased by the changes, which Republicans devised and then presented to the two Democratic negotiators.

They also reached a compromise on the sensitive issue of competition within the government-run health program, agreeing to a program lasting up to six years and involving six metropolitan areas, Republican congressional aides said.

The legislation would install the most far-reaching changes to the program since it was created in 1965. At its core, it would give millions of older Americans a prescription drug benefit, projected to cost $400 billion over 10 years.

The bill would provide drug discount cards for seniors in 2004 and 2005, estimated to reduce drug costs an average of 15 percent.

At the same time, private insurance companies would play a significant role in Medicare by delivering prescription drugs and offering managed-care plans or new preferred provider organizations. Those organizations encourage patients to use doctors inside a network but allow them to see other physicians for an extra charge.

The sweeping legislation also would send more money to rural doctors and hospitals.

Unrelated to Medicare, it would create a health-related tax break for individuals with high-deductible insurance policies, one of several demands made by conservatives in exchange for their support for the drug benefit.

Lawmakers also have agreed essentially to maintain a ban on importing cheaper prescription drugs from abroad, despite the growing popularity of such imports across the country and in Congress.

Direct competition between traditional Medicare and the new private plans has been the most vexing issue in the nearly five months since the House and Senate passed differing versions of the Medicare bill.

Democrats and some moderate Republicans strongly oppose the competition, saying it would drive up premiums for people who opted to stay in traditional Medicare. The government-run program allows beneficiaries to choose their doctors and hospitals.

Link Posted: 11/15/2003 8:44:47 PM EDT
Another entitlement that my great grandkids will be paying for. Nearly 70% of senior citizens already have prescription drug coverage. Also, no need to mention that seniors are the richest demographic group as it is. My grandparents were a helluva lot richer than I'll ever be. When he was retired my grandfather received $6,000 a month from his pension alone, not counting their investments. I eak out a modest living and I work!
Damn liberal scum Kennedy.
Link Posted: 11/16/2003 12:56:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By VICAP:
Another entitlement that my great grandkids will be paying for. Nearly 70% of senior citizens already have prescription drug coverage. Also, no need to mention that seniors are the richest demographic group as it is. My grandparents were a helluva lot richer than I'll ever be. When he was retired my grandfather received $6,000 a month from his pension alone, not counting their investments. I eak out a modest living and I work!
Damn liberal scum Kennedy.



It may be gratifying for you to blame Teddy Kennedy but this is a Republican production that Kennedy mostly opposes.

Link Posted: 11/18/2003 3:24:25 AM EDT

Monday, Nov. 17, 2003


The Medicare prescription-drug bill is 1,071 pages. Members of
Congress will not get a copy of the bill until Wednesday or
Thursday leaving them only one or two days to read, study and
understand it before casting their vote on Friday or Saturday.
Most House members were barred from the closed-door negotiations,
even though special interests were consulted along the way.

Summaries of parts of the bill are being slowly and selectively
released to members of Congress, the media and the public by the
staff of the committee that wrote it. We will have only a few
days to learn, in fact, what is in those 1,071 pages.

But we don't need to know every detail because supporters of the
bill have already admitted that this new, never-ending
"entitlement" will cost taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars
and, more likely, over $1 trillion. Of course, the politicians
making this decision will be dead when the children of today who
are stuck paying for it, realize what has been done to them and
are able to vote.

To politicians, the only future that matters is the next election.
But as parents, grandparents, great grandparents, and responsible
American citizens today, the future for us is not measured in
such a callous and self-serving way.

The National Taxpayers Union published a chart that tells us what
kind of future our children and grandchildren will have if we
allow this Medicare drug bill to become law. The chart compares
the yearly Medicare expenditures as a percentage of gross
domestic product (GDP) without the prescription drug plan and
with it. The numbers were compiled from the Congressional Budget
Office and the 2003 Medicare Trustees report.

Without a drug "benefit," the percentage of GDP necessary to pay
for Medicare increases from 2.5% to just under 10% over 75 years.
With a drug "benefit," it increases to just under 40%! That's
right. Not 40% of tax revenue or 40% of all government costs
(that would be bad enough), but 40% of the total the U.S.
produces in a year!

THINK ABOUT IT.

The yearly Medicare expenditure will consume close to 40% of our
nation's GDP. But, once again, politicians aren't concerned
about that far into the future.

Urge your congressional delegation to strongly oppose this
Republican socialism. Tell the politicians to be concerned about
the future -- the future beyond the next election. Send your
message now by going to
http://capwiz.com/liberty/issues/alert/?alertid=4165501&type=CO

Here's a link to the graph (pdf format):
http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/deadlycombo.pdf

Kent Snyder
The Liberty Committee
http://www.thelibertycommittee.org

Link Posted: 11/18/2003 3:29:54 AM EDT
The "Old Folks" just want MORE - MORE - MORE!!!

Remember, these are the people who gave us BILL & HILLARY!!!

It's greed pure and simple.

They steal from your kids and mine!
Link Posted: 11/18/2003 3:42:24 AM EDT
sorry folks but this is needed !!!! BUT !!!

MUST be means tested, i.e., i have a great aunt that gets by on $650.00 a month, she turns down needed medication in favor of a warm home, she turns down medication in favor of food to eat, she probaly only has a few more years to live so why not give her the meds she needs ??

personally, i don't need Rx help, i am retired Navy & get all my meds & medical care paid for by my 24 years service....!!!
Link Posted: 11/18/2003 3:47:01 AM EDT
I think this is crap!

These assholes supporting this know that it won't be their problem when the funding runs out or they have raise taxes to make it work in 5, 10, 15 years. They'll be dead or out of office and it will, as usual, Somebody Else's Problem.

There is a tin-foil type of story posted over at jpfo.org about the collapse of Social Security and that's the reason for Gun Control. Like I said, it's sounds pretty loony but it's worth reading because it does have the ring of "weeeeelllllll, maybe" about it. This new program could just put us into overdrive heading for that crash.

www.jpfo.org/ssandguns.htm
Link Posted: 11/18/2003 5:41:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AR-15NUTT:
sorry folks but this is needed !!!! BUT !!!

MUST be means tested, i.e., i have a great aunt that gets by on $650.00 a month, she turns down needed medication in favor of a warm home, she turns down medication in favor of food to eat, she probaly only has a few more years to live so why not give her the meds she needs ??

personally, i don't need Rx help, i am retired Navy & get all my meds & medical care paid for by my 24 years service....!!!



your aunt should go get a job
Link Posted: 11/18/2003 6:00:15 AM EDT
Just wait for the boomers to hit their 70s. Their socialist leanings and voting power are going to push government growth to new heights.

Start preparing now.
Link Posted: 11/18/2003 6:04:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/18/2003 6:10:55 AM EDT by deimos]

Originally Posted By Airwolf:
I think this is crap!

These assholes supporting this know that it won't be their problem when the funding runs out or they have raise taxes to make it work in 5, 10, 15 years. They'll be dead or out of office and it will, as usual, Somebody Else's Problem.

There is a tin-foil type of story posted over at jpfo.org about the collapse of Social Security and that's the reason for Gun Control. Like I said, it's sounds pretty loony but it's worth reading because it does have the ring of "weeeeelllllll, maybe" about it. This new program could just put us into overdrive heading for that crash.

www.jpfo.org/ssandguns.htm



Require all private pension funds to invest in government bonds, thus giving the federal government more money to pay out to social security recipients;

Reinstate a punitive inheritance tax;

Impose a 50 percent tax on IRAs or 401(k) plans, with the proceeds shoring up social security (because, after all, anyone able to afford a private retirement plan is among the "selfish rich");

Impose other special taxes on "the rich" -- for instance, anyone with an income over $40,000 per year. One potential tax might be a penalty on home ownership.

Impose various emergency measures, like price controls, to try to make each social security dollar stretch further;

Inflate the currency to raise the amount paid in social security taxes while carefully underestimating cost of living increases for recipients.

Already implemented
done in the past, considered presently with some articles

That's in Argentina, but you guys should listen when I said that our recent history can bee used as a textbook to review your current situation...


NsB
Link Posted: 11/18/2003 6:07:00 AM EDT
"Boomers" is an apt name. It's the sound the economy and country is going to make when the whole damn Ponzi scheme collapses in a flaming pile of rubble.

"No boom *today*. Boom tomorrow. There's *always* a boom tomorrow. What? Look, somebody's got to have some damn perspective around here. Boom, sooner or later. *BOOM*!"

Lt. Commander Susan Ivanova
Babylon 5
Link Posted: 11/18/2003 8:16:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:
It may be gratifying for you to blame Teddy Kennedy but this is a Republican production that Kennedy mostly opposes.



Yes, but only because he wants more.

Conversely, if he didn't want this garbage at all, there would be no need for the GOP to pander with such a stupid bill.

Kennedy's wrong (as usual), and the GOP is spineless.
Link Posted: 11/18/2003 8:37:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By AR-15NUTT:
sorry folks but this is needed !!!! BUT !!!

MUST be means tested, i.e., i have a great aunt that gets by on $650.00 a month, she turns down needed medication in favor of a warm home, she turns down medication in favor of food to eat, she probaly only has a few more years to live so why not give her the meds she needs ??

personally, i don't need Rx help, i am retired Navy & get all my meds & medical care paid for by my 24 years service....!!!



your aunt should go get a job



No shit. I don't know how many times I should have to pay for the boat anchors that make up the dead weight of this country. The fact is there ain't enough money. Hell there never will be to make these people happy.
Maybe they ought to have the balls to ask their grandchildren for the money because that's who they're taking it from. "Jimmy can I have your allowance this month? I'm all out of cigarettes and chocolate."

Your aunt needs it? BFD
Link Posted: 11/18/2003 8:46:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/18/2003 8:49:42 AM EDT by Scht0nk]

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By AR-15NUTT:
sorry folks but this is needed !!!! BUT !!!

MUST be means tested, i.e., i have a great aunt that gets by on $650.00 a month, she turns down needed medication in favor of a warm home, she turns down medication in favor of food to eat, she probaly only has a few more years to live so why not give her the meds she needs ??

personally, i don't need Rx help, i am retired Navy & get all my meds & medical care paid for by my 24 years service....!!!



your aunt should go get a job



STFU ASSHOLE. Just wait until your parents or someone you love is only getting SS checks of about $600 a month and can't afford to buy the medicine they need. I guess an asshole like you would just tell them to GO GET A JOB. I bet you're the type that would just throw your elderly parents into a slumhole, roach infested old folks home......

If your elderly family members are rich enough to afford to pay rent, utilities and medicine. GOOD FOR FUCKING YOU.

Others have worked all their lives at blue collar jobs, never been in the position to get a pension and deserve a little dignity in their last years.

People like you need see what it's like to live in poverty, we'll just see how long it takes for you to go out looking for handouts....

You gonna tell my grandfather who is hooked up to a respirator with emphyzema from working all his life in a shipyard, inhaling all sorts of chemical fumes, fiberglass and god knows what else to "GET A JOB?"

We're the one's paying his $2000 a month medical bill, NOT YOU, SO STFU ASSHOLE.
Link Posted: 11/18/2003 8:49:41 AM EDT
Huh!! I thought America WON the "War on Communism"!!


I guess, they just moved here!!!

Keep voting Tweedely-dee!!! (YA MORONS!!)
Link Posted: 11/18/2003 8:51:57 AM EDT


We're doomed. Pure and simple.

Somebody better patent a decent rocket soon, because there are no more continents for us to flee too......
Link Posted: 11/18/2003 8:56:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/18/2003 9:01:10 AM EDT by Airwolf]

Originally Posted By Scht0nk:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By AR-15NUTT:
sorry folks but this is needed !!!! BUT !!!

MUST be means tested, i.e., i have a great aunt that gets by on $650.00 a month, she turns down needed medication in favor of a warm home, she turns down medication in favor of food to eat, she probaly only has a few more years to live so why not give her the meds she needs ??

personally, i don't need Rx help, i am retired Navy & get all my meds & medical care paid for by my 24 years service....!!!



your aunt should go get a job



STFU ASSHOLE. Just wait until your parents or someone you love is only getting SS checks of about $600 a month and can't afford to buy the medicine they need. I guess an asshole like you would just tell them to GO GET A JOB. I bet you're the type that would just throw your elderly parents into a slumhole, roach infested old folks home......

If your elderly family members are rich enough to afford to pay rent, utilities and medicine. GOOD FOR FUCKING YOU.

Others have worked all their lives at blue collar jobs, never been in the position to get a pension and deserve a little dignity in their last years.

People like you need see what it's like to live in poverty, we'll just see how long it takes for you to go out looking for handouts....



I don't think anyone here would deny the fact that everyone needs a little help now and then but the Goverment should be a LAST RESTORT when ALL other options have been exausted.

For ANYONE to count on the goverment to suport them is just plain wrong and if you really think that way you may be in for some rough times on this site.

If you or anyone else is counting on .gov to be the one to support you when you retire then you are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

The sad part is that .gov HAS for DECADES made people dependant on their handouts and services. It's no wonder that each generation expects, no DEMANDS to suck on the public teat and will find a scumbag lawer to sue the crap out of anyone or any agency that doesn't say "how high?" when told to "jump" by the next group looking for a handout.

This is all going to end in a bloody mess. Social Security and most of the other .gov handouts are nothing more than a huge Ponzi scheme. If we tried to run a racket like Washington does we'd be doing hard time in pound-me-in-the-ass Federal prison. To them it's just a way of getting votes. You don't get votes by telling dumb sheep "no". That's what our system has devolved into.
Link Posted: 11/18/2003 8:57:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/18/2003 9:00:43 AM EDT by Red_Beard]

Originally Posted By Scht0nk:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By AR-15NUTT:
sorry folks but this is needed !!!! BUT !!!

MUST be means tested, i.e., i have a great aunt that gets by on $650.00 a month, she turns down needed medication in favor of a warm home, she turns down medication in favor of food to eat, she probaly only has a few more years to live so why not give her the meds she needs ??

personally, i don't need Rx help, i am retired Navy & get all my meds & medical care paid for by my 24 years service....!!!



your aunt should go get a job



STFU ASSHOLE. Just wait until your parents or someone you love is only getting SS checks of about $600 a month and can't afford to buy the medicine they need. I guess an asshole like you would just tell them to GO GET A JOB. I bet you're the type that would just throw your elderly parents into a slumhole, roach infested old folks home......

If your elderly family members are rich enough to afford to pay rent, utilities and medicine. GOOD FOR FUCKING YOU.

Others have worked all their lives at blue collar jobs, never been in the position to get a pension and deserve a little dignity in their last years.

People like you need see what it's like to live in poverty, we'll just see how long it takes for you to go out looking for handouts....

You gonna tell my grandfather who is hooked up to a respirator with emphyzema from working all his life in a shipyard, inhaling all sorts of chemical fumes, fiberglass and god knows what else to "GET A JOB?"

We're the one's paying his $2000 a month medical bill, NOT YOU, SO STFU ASSHOLE.



no, moron, my mom will never have to live on just a SS check because I know how to work for a living and I'll support her at the end of her life just as she supported me at the beginning of mine

commie
Link Posted: 11/18/2003 8:58:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Scht0nk:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By AR-15NUTT:
sorry folks but this is needed !!!! BUT !!!

MUST be means tested, i.e., i have a great aunt that gets by on $650.00 a month, she turns down needed medication in favor of a warm home, she turns down medication in favor of food to eat, she probaly only has a few more years to live so why not give her the meds she needs ??

personally, i don't need Rx help, i am retired Navy & get all my meds & medical care paid for by my 24 years service....!!!



your aunt should go get a job



STFU ASSHOLE. Just wait until your parents or someone you love is only getting SS checks of about $600 a month and can't afford to buy the medicine they need. I guess an asshole like you would just tell them to GO GET A JOB. I bet you're the type that would just throw your elderly parents into a slumhole, roach infested old folks home......

If your elderly family members are rich enough to afford to pay rent, utilities and medicine. GOOD FOR FUCKING YOU.

Others have worked all their lives at blue collar jobs, never been in the position to get a pension and deserve a little dignity in their last years.

People like you need see what it's like to live in poverty, we'll just see how long it takes for you to go out looking for handouts....

You gonna tell my grandfather who is hooked up to a respirator with emphyzema from working all his life in a shipyard, inhaling all sorts of chemical fumes, fiberglass and god knows what else to "GET A JOB?"

We're the one's paying his $2000 a month medical bill, NOT YOU, SO STFU ASSHOLE.



And who's fault is that? You want socialism move to another country because people like us who are being bled f'ing dry are sick of it. Somehow I doubt more than 50% of YOUR income is sucked up by the gov't for losers like this. How much more would you have me give? How much will EVER be enough? I'll tell you when: When they can have as much as I make while sitting on their dead fucking ass.

Your relatives need it? BFD.
You give it to 'em.
Link Posted: 11/18/2003 8:59:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By VICAP:
Another entitlement that my great grandkids will be paying for. Nearly 70% of senior citizens already have prescription drug coverage. Also, no need to mention that seniors are the richest demographic group as it is. My grandparents were a helluva lot richer than I'll ever be. When he was retired my grandfather received $6,000 a month from his pension alone, not counting their investments. I eak out a modest living and I work!
Damn liberal scum Kennedy.



Never forget. Medicare reform was a GWB Election Platform that he was elected on! He wasn't elected to carry out his own little personal crusade on Terrorists. He was elected to FIX UP THIS FUCKED UP COUNTRY. It's high time he start doing some of the shit I voted him into office for!
Link Posted: 11/18/2003 9:00:04 AM EDT

Others have worked all their lives at blue collar jobs, never been in the position to get a pension and deserve a little dignity in their last years.

People like you need see what it's like to live in poverty, we'll just see how long it takes for you to go out looking for handouts....

that will never happen because i was brought up with a good work ethic


You gonna tell my grandfather who is hooked up to a respirator with emphyzema from working all his life in a shipyard, inhaling all sorts of chemical fumes, fiberglass and god knows what else to "GET A JOB?"
no, YOU should get a job and support him!
Link Posted: 11/18/2003 9:03:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Zaphod:


We're doomed. Pure and simple.

Somebody better patent a decent rocket soon, because there are no more continents for us to flee too......



Are you a Runner?

Then, we need to take it BACK...

And, ya AIN'T gonna do it by voting for either of the Tweedelys!!


DO YA HEAR ME NOW??
Link Posted: 11/18/2003 9:10:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By Scht0nk:

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By AR-15NUTT:
sorry folks but this is needed !!!! BUT !!!

MUST be means tested, i.e., i have a great aunt that gets by on $650.00 a month, she turns down needed medication in favor of a warm home, she turns down medication in favor of food to eat, she probaly only has a few more years to live so why not give her the meds she needs ??

personally, i don't need Rx help, i am retired Navy & get all my meds & medical care paid for by my 24 years service....!!!



your aunt should go get a job



STFU ASSHOLE. Just wait until your parents or someone you love is only getting SS checks of about $600 a month and can't afford to buy the medicine they need. I guess an asshole like you would just tell them to GO GET A JOB. I bet you're the type that would just throw your elderly parents into a slumhole, roach infested old folks home......

If your elderly family members are rich enough to afford to pay rent, utilities and medicine. GOOD FOR FUCKING YOU.

Others have worked all their lives at blue collar jobs, never been in the position to get a pension and deserve a little dignity in their last years.

People like you need see what it's like to live in poverty, we'll just see how long it takes for you to go out looking for handouts....

You gonna tell my grandfather who is hooked up to a respirator with emphyzema from working all his life in a shipyard, inhaling all sorts of chemical fumes, fiberglass and god knows what else to "GET A JOB?"

We're the one's paying his $2000 a month medical bill, NOT YOU, SO STFU ASSHOLE.



And who's fault is that? You want socialism move to another country because people like us who are being bled f'ing dry are sick of it. Somehow I doubt more than 50% of YOUR income is sucked up by the gov't for losers like this. How much more would you have me give? How much will EVER be enough? I'll tell you when: When they can have as much as I make while sitting on their dead fucking ass.

Your relatives need it? BFD.
You give it to 'em.



Like I said before. WE ARE PAYING FOR IT. NOT YOU. AM I ASKING YOU TO PAY FOR HIS MEDICAL BILLS? NO, SO STFU. We take care of him at our OWN PERSONAL EXPENSE. Thank GOD we have family who give a damn because no one else would......this thread is a prime example.

Are you really a Doctor? You must get extreme pleasure in turning down people who need immediate care, just because they don't have insurance?

How is Medicare reform going to hurt you? Why can't Medicare be reformed to reflect modern times with all the miracle drugs, high technology and other advances made in the last 50 years? The medicare reforms planned will only help out those who can't afford it. People who have a fat pension should pay for their own damn medical bills. If we need Gooberment help suplementing our family medical needs, why shouldn't we be allowed to apply for it?

You have absolutely no concept of what hardship is until you are in a position to have to take care of an elderly family member who needs it. In your little worlds, rich people should be afforded lavish medical care, while poor people should get poor care, right?

Same goes for education in this country. If you are rich, you can send your kids to the best private schools with all the newest and best technology. If you're poor you have to send your kids to the public brainwashing school where kids are still using 30 year old handmedown textbooks and teachers are living at or below the poverty level.....
Link Posted: 11/18/2003 9:12:33 AM EDT
Like I said you asshole NAZI. WE ARE PAYING FOR OUR GRANDFATHER'S CARE, NOT YOU. SO, WTF DO YOU CARE? HOW DOES THAT MAKE ME AND MY FAMILY COMMIES?

FASCIST, NAZI PIG.....
Link Posted: 11/18/2003 9:29:45 AM EDT

that will never happen because i was brought up with a good work ethic


How naive of you. I got my first job at 14 and have worked ever since. I'm still working seven days per week. I have no money, and I'm fighting hard to keep my house. My wife's nursing home bills are over $3k per month plus doctor bills plus medicine. You say it will never happen to you, but how do you know that? How will you plan ahead to pay medical bills that could easily be 10x as much per month as what you're now making per month. I saved an entire life-time, and after two years and two months after my wife getting sick, I have nothing in the bank. The $300/month in retirement I'm getting seemed like a lot when I worked for it, but now, it seems like almost nothing.z
Link Posted: 11/18/2003 10:00:56 AM EDT
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