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Posted: 5/21/2018 6:53:53 AM EDT
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Jesus is LORD |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 7:01:39 AM EDT
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Actual evidence, or more he said, she said? There are written accounts from non-bible sources during the time he lived mentioning him. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 7:09:11 AM EDT
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I know this may sound crazy but pretty much all written history is he said, she said. There are written accounts from non-bible sources during the time he lived mentioning him. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Actual evidence, or more he said, she said? There are written accounts from non-bible sources during the time he lived mentioning him. All you have for religious belief, is a book (written by ^ men) and a bunch of people who can't really agree on the details. A.W.D. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 7:16:40 AM EDT
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There is only ONE Lord
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Posted: 5/21/2018 7:34:23 AM EDT
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Trick question. Lemmy is God. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 7:36:35 AM EDT
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Jesus was not created. Very very bad theology Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He is not God, but God's son, his first creation, and the one that God had make all things, including us. Colossians 1:15,16... 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth... |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 7:40:51 AM EDT
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"begotten, not made" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He is not God, but God's son, his first creation, and the one that God had make all things, including us. Colossians 1:15,16... 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth...  Attached FileA.W.D. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 8:28:20 AM EDT
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Zero evidence he even existed. The Bible is not evidence. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 8:34:51 AM EDT
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Jesus is Lord.
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Posted: 5/21/2018 8:39:54 AM EDT
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Jesus is Lord. Lots of other Gods, religious entities and other are Lord for those who believe equally in their particular faith. A.W.D. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 8:40:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know this may sound crazy but pretty much all written history is he said, she said. There are written accounts from non-bible sources during the time he lived mentioning him. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 8:53:06 AM EDT
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C. S. Lewis never intended his trilemma to prove Christ's divinity--he said it didn't. He only wanted to knock people off the fence about Jesus by showing the charitable "nice" opinion held by many is not possible.
"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't accept his claim to be God. That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher." Mike |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 8:53:34 AM EDT
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If he did exist he was a man of wise words.
However anybody that claims themselves to be the Son of God is obviously totally self-absorbed. In a sense I guess he was we are all children of creation I will have Siddhartha Guatemala, Confucius and Laozi be my prophets |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 8:59:18 AM EDT
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If he did exist he was a man of wise words. However anybody that claims themselves to be the Son of God is obviously totally self-absorbed. In a sense I guess he was we are all children of creation I will have Siddhartha Guatemala, Confucius and Laozi be my prophets Just exactly what would happen I wonder, if an otherwise respected, kind and thoughtful person, claimed himself to be this second coming - say, tomorrow? He would be ridiculed and dismissed across the globe - universally, as quickly as GD ridicules and dismisses common sense gun laws. A.W.D. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 9:05:19 AM EDT
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Fallacy of exhausted hypotheses. It's completely possible for a human to wholeheartedly believe something untrue and not be mentally ill. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 9:09:54 AM EDT
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For you. Lots of other Gods, religious entities and other are Lord for those who believe equally in their particular faith. A.W.D. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jesus is Lord. Lots of other Gods, religious entities and other are Lord for those who believe equally in their particular faith. A.W.D. Better now in this life than later. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 9:14:16 AM EDT
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Jim Jones. Liar, lunatic, or lord? As opposed to multiple centuries of Christians who were tortured to death rather than recant their faith. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 9:17:57 AM EDT
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Eccentric apocalyptic rabbi, if he existed at all. Plenty of Biblical scholars who are non believers believe in the Historical Jesus. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 9:21:11 AM EDT
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Quote Historyno matter what name an individual, culture, society, or religion calls the Creator |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 9:23:11 AM EDT
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I was raised Southern Baptist, my entire family still is... but 3-5 years ago I began to question (earlier than that if you count when I was deployed to Afghanaland). The likes of Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, and Christopher Hitchens spoke more common sense to this issue than I had heard before and definitely went a long way in changing my mind.
This is just one of many good debates involving the Hitch |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 9:27:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Debating the historicity of Jesus is a poor place to start. Plenty of Biblical scholars who are non believers believe in the Historical Jesus. Citations please. Convince me. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 9:28:36 AM EDT
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Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Better now in this life than later. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jesus is Lord. Lots of other Gods, religious entities and other are Lord for those who believe equally in their particular faith. A.W.D. Better now in this life than later. Kinda' like liberals. Really boggles my mind that the pro-gun crowd - normally so grounded and based in the reality of things and the life we live - would hold so strongly to a made up ideal in search of an agenda that must be adhered to - or else... A.W.D. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 9:29:14 AM EDT
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I was raised Southern Baptist, my entire family still is... but 3-5 years ago I began to question (earlier than that if you count when I was deployed to Afghanaland). The likes of Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, and Christopher Hitchens spoke more common sense to this issue than I had heard before and definitely went a long way in changing my mind. This is just one of many good debates involving the Hitch My story is similar in many ways. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 9:35:40 AM EDT
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I know this may sound crazy but pretty much all written history is he said, she said. There are written accounts from non-bible sources during the time he lived mentioning him. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Actual evidence, or more he said, she said? There are written accounts from non-bible sources during the time he lived mentioning him. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 9:44:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Provide a single irrefutable piece of objective evidence. One that would stand in court. Citations please. Convince me. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 9:55:22 AM EDT
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You are saying that the Creator of everything, prove that he exist or you will decide that He doesn't? That is a backwards priority. You make yourself out to be judge and God, to decide if there is a God that you can accept. If you were really able to do that, He wouldn't be God. He is however. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Provide a single irrefutable piece of objective evidence. One that would stand in court. Citations please. Convince me. This also allows for man, as the judge, to question the concept of God, as they are in a sense - one in the same. A.W.D. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 10:45:39 AM EDT
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doubletap
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Posted: 5/21/2018 10:46:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Provide a single irrefutable piece of objective evidence. One that would stand in court. Citations please. Convince me. https://www.amazon.com/Case-Christ-Journalists-Personal-Investigation/dp/0310345863/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526913963&sr=8-1&keywords=the+case+for+christ https://www.amazon.com/Evidence-That-Demands-Verdict-Life-Changing/dp/1401676707/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1526914025&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=evidence+that+demands+a+verdict&psc=1 |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:01:19 AM EDT
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I read Case for Christ. The author makes the argument that if someone claims A, B, C and D and A, B, and C are shown to be true then we can accept D as also true. Not all that bad of logic. Except the author admits every single interview was fabricated. He shoots down his whole argument by doing that in my opinion. I think the only thing Lee Strobel discovered in his investigations is that there is a lot of money to be made writing Christian books.
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:05:34 AM EDT
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Assyrians, Muslims, Mongols and Nazis could have wiped away the memory of the Tribe of Judah and the Idea of Christianity should have been stomped out by the Romans if it was just another man made religion but it seems God has a plan based on his timeline not ours. Yes, I call him Lord. The conversion of Paul would have to take place with some serious "that's a fact jack" event. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:07:31 AM EDT
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you'd have to be willfully ignorant to deny his existence, His coming the first time has affected human history more than any other, we even date our calendars Anno Domini and BC and he's coming again. He's the 2nd person of the God head. The God/Man Christ Jesus , he came to save us from our sins , to keep us out of Hell.
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:09:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Provide a single irrefutable piece of objective evidence. One that would stand in court. Citations please. Convince me. It’s not like Jesus has been subject to immense scholarship since about 300 AD or so. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:13:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Better now in this life than later. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:14:14 AM EDT
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you'd have to be willfully ignorant to deny his existence, His coming the first time has affected human history more than any other, we even date our calendars Anno Domini and BC and he's coming again. He's the 2nd person of the God head. The God/Man Christ Jesus , he came to save us from our sins , to keep us out of Hell. The realization that Earth is actually not flat, has had a pretty big impact on things as well. I'm growing more and more convinced that religion is a product of Liberalism. They share too many common traits, undeniable insistence on what is right and what is wrong, "...because we said so, or you will burn in Hell," and that proverbial holier than thou attitude. A.W.D. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:15:13 AM EDT
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Sounds rather self serving and of the mind to be controlling, and not be questioned. Kinda' like liberals. Really boggles my mind that the pro-gun crowd - normally so grounded and based in the reality of things and the life we live - would hold so strongly to a made up ideal in search of an agenda that must be adhered to - or else... A.W.D. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:18:26 AM EDT
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Jesus is the Son of God.
And it's amazingly simple, you believe it not. Why so many find this offensive is a testament to the sad state of society. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:20:10 AM EDT
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If he did exist he was a man of wise words. However anybody that claims themselves to be the Son of God is obviously totally self-absorbed. In a sense I guess he was we are all children of creation I will have Siddhartha Guatemala, Confucius and Laozi be my prophets |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:23:34 AM EDT
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Zero evidence he even existed. The Bible is not evidence. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:23:48 AM EDT
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I was raised Southern Baptist, my entire family still is... but 3-5 years ago I began to question (earlier than that if you count when I was deployed to Afghanaland). The likes of Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, and Christopher Hitchens spoke more common sense to this issue than I had heard before and definitely went a long way in changing my mind. This is just one of many good debates involving the Hitch |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:24:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Read and judge yourself It’s not like Jesus has been subject to immense scholarship since about 300 AD or so. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:26:47 AM EDT
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Folks speak of the "Second Coming of Christ" from time to time. Just exactly what would happen I wonder, if an otherwise respected, kind and thoughtful person, claimed himself to be this second coming - say, tomorrow? He would be ridiculed and dismissed across the globe - universally, as quickly as GD ridicules and dismisses common sense gun laws. A.W.D. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If he did exist he was a man of wise words. However anybody that claims themselves to be the Son of God is obviously totally self-absorbed. In a sense I guess he was we are all children of creation I will have Siddhartha Guatemala, Confucius and Laozi be my prophets Just exactly what would happen I wonder, if an otherwise respected, kind and thoughtful person, claimed himself to be this second coming - say, tomorrow? He would be ridiculed and dismissed across the globe - universally, as quickly as GD ridicules and dismisses common sense gun laws. A.W.D. I disagree...... when He returns, in the way He is prophesied to return, those who scoff and dismiss now won’t......it will be an awesome sight |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:28:29 AM EDT
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Based on the testimony of multiple first hand assistants, the first two. As opposed to multiple centuries of Christians who were tortured to death rather than recant their faith. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jim Jones. Liar, lunatic, or lord? As opposed to multiple centuries of Christians who were tortured to death rather than recant their faith. There have been lots of weirdos over the years who claimed to be god. Many of their followers went to the grave believing that they were too. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:29:38 AM EDT
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Outside of changing the world and how things are done in it and being one of, if not the most influential person in history, you're right. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Zero evidence he even existed. The Bible is not evidence. It only means that the conditions existed within society and the world for the many, to focus their attention on something or someone that fit their needs. A.W.D. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:30:32 AM EDT
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LORD and Savior
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:33:33 AM EDT
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. I disagree...... when He returns, in the way He is prophesied to return, those who scoff and dismiss now won’t......it will be an awesome sight Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If he did exist he was a man of wise words. However anybody that claims themselves to be the Son of God is obviously totally self-absorbed. In a sense I guess he was we are all children of creation I will have Siddhartha Guatemala, Confucius and Laozi be my prophets Just exactly what would happen I wonder, if an otherwise respected, kind and thoughtful person, claimed himself to be this second coming - say, tomorrow? He would be ridiculed and dismissed across the globe - universally, as quickly as GD ridicules and dismisses common sense gun laws. A.W.D. I disagree...... when He returns, in the way He is prophesied to return, those who scoff and dismiss now won’t......it will be an awesome sight No need for a god, or a book or other set of instructions (or else!) I believe in you as a person, and that you have the power to ascertain the difference between good and evil all by yourself, to act in a manner beneficial to society and its future success. A.W.D. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:35:15 AM EDT
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Actually, one must be pretty willfully in denial of hi/her own ability to think, and to reason - to blindly follow such silliness. The realization that Earth is actually not flat, has had a pretty big impact on things as well. I'm growing more and more convinced that religion is a product of Liberalism. They share too many common traits, undeniable insistence on what is right and what is wrong, "...because we said so, or you will burn in Hell," and that proverbial holier than thou attitude. A.W.D. "He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son hath not life". People may tell you you are going to Hell - or you're not. I wouldn't listen to them . I'd listen to what the Holy son of God has said to you about it. Christ died a real death not a spiritual death but a physical real death , he was buried in a real tomb. Then 3 days later he was raised from the dead.. If that had not happened Christianity would have died in the 1st century and we wouldn't be talking about it. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:35:38 AM EDT
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. I disagree...... when He returns, in the way He is prophesied to return, those who scoff and dismiss now won’t......it will be an awesome sight I would hate for god to be such a being, it would be the greatest tragedy |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:36:34 AM EDT
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Anyone who claims to know when Christ will come again is a liar, period.
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:37:32 AM EDT
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Nothing in the Bible says the earth is flat... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Actually, one must be pretty willfully in denial of hi/her own ability to think, and to reason - to blindly follow such silliness. The realization that Earth is actually not flat, has had a pretty big impact on things as well. I'm growing more and more convinced that religion is a product of Liberalism. They share too many common traits, undeniable insistence on what is right and what is wrong, "...because we said so, or you will burn in Hell," and that proverbial holier than thou attitude. A.W.D. A.W.D. |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 11:38:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know this may sound crazy but pretty much all written history is he said, she said. There are written accounts from non-bible sources during the time he lived mentioning him. |
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