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Posted: 2/21/2018 3:51:12 PM EDT
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How many mass shooters were 25 years old or younger? |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 3:51:53 PM EDT
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Yes, with the exception that active military members may purchase/carry firearms, purchase/consume alcohol, and receive full civic franchise at 18 (or whatever age they join prior to 25).
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Posted: 2/21/2018 3:56:32 PM EDT
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It always pissed me off (when I was in the Army) that I couldn't buy a damn 1911, that I couldn't buy ammo for a pistol and that I had to sign a book/ledger stating .22 rim fire ammo was going to be used in a rifle and yet I could still get sent off somewhere to kill other people, or get killed, fighting a damn war.
How in the hell is "right" to send a kid off to kill/get killed in combat and then tell him he can't buy a gun of his own? That shit sucked in 1975/76/77 and it still sucks now. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 3:57:42 PM EDT
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Oh look. A proposed compromise thread. How original.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 3:59:00 PM EDT
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The only compromise I’d support is one that clearly favors us. Not even ‘two steps forward one step back’ but maybe ‘a lot of steps forward one step back’
I’d probably be fine with a bump stock ban, if in exchange we got SBRs and suppressors off the NFA, and they reopened the book on MG stamps. That’s compromise I can probably live with. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:00:05 PM EDT
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Can we extend the definition of a '13'er'
back to August of 2012? |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:00:24 PM EDT
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Only compelling reason I could think of would be this: https://twitter.com/ebyard/status/796317753749729280 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whomever voted yes, you should come in and give us your reasoning. https://twitter.com/ebyard/status/796317753749729280 They're already pushing to have 16+ vote because they know kids who have no life experience will vote for whoever has the most pie-in-the-sky BS story. You have to be 25 to run for the lowest office (house rep)... |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:01:00 PM EDT
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Ban the OP.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:01:26 PM EDT
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While I won't bargain pieces of freedom away... There is a philosophical point here: a teachable moment as it were. All these kids under 25 who want to ban everything would think twice if it backfired, and they were mostly what got banned. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:02:06 PM EDT
[#10]
NO!!!
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:03:56 PM EDT
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I voted yes for 2 reasons.
One, it would REALLY get dim panties in a twist, like frothing at the mouth bad, about how unfair it is, etc etc Second, i didn't give a shit about politics until i grew up and pulled my head out of my own ass, around my mid 20s i think. I suspect many are the same. Not all, but many. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:04:30 PM EDT
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That is EXACTLY why I voted yes. They're already pushing to have 16+ vote because they know kids who have no life experience will vote for whoever has the most pie-in-the-sky BS story. You have to be 25 to run for the lowest office (house rep)... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whomever voted yes, you should come in and give us your reasoning. https://twitter.com/ebyard/status/796317753749729280 They're already pushing to have 16+ vote because they know kids who have no life experience will vote for whoever has the most pie-in-the-sky BS story. You have to be 25 to run for the lowest office (house rep)... Young, stupid, brainwashed, inexperienced liberal voters aren't going to suddenly start voting conservative just because they turned 26. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:05:54 PM EDT
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So the nut job kid who wants to shoot up his school will now have to steal a gun from his parents closet instead of legally being able to buy his own gun? Yeah....that will really stop the school shootings....
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:06:16 PM EDT
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if we are going to start rewriting laws on when a person becomes a legal adult it better translate into everything else like voting, drinking, enlisting, gambling etc. not saying that I agree with raising age requirements, just saying you should not be able to make life altering decisions like join the military, or decisions that effect other people like voting, but can't own a fucking gun. Can't buy a gun? Can't be tried as an adult. Can't buy a gun? Can't be held liable under a negligence claim. Can't buy a gun? Parents still can claim you as a dependent. Oh, most importantly, Can't buy a gun? Can't enter into a binding contract (to include procuring a student loan.) |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:09:29 PM EDT
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No. Young, stupid, brainwashed, inexperienced liberal voters aren't going to suddenly start voting conservative just because they turned 26. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whomever voted yes, you should come in and give us your reasoning. https://twitter.com/ebyard/status/796317753749729280 They're already pushing to have 16+ vote because they know kids who have no life experience will vote for whoever has the most pie-in-the-sky BS story. You have to be 25 to run for the lowest office (house rep)... Young, stupid, brainwashed, inexperienced liberal voters aren't going to suddenly start voting conservative just because they turned 26. We have a cultural problem in this country that is much deeper than most realize - we're literally at a point that injecting 5 year olds with hormones and saying they're trans is normalized, we need MASSIVE fucking changes and we need them asap. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:12:02 PM EDT
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Hey, if you're gonna fuck with gun laws, drinking laws, smoking laws, insurance laws and raise them all to 21, might as well raise the voting age because you've shown that these people are too young to make rational decisions. Go ahead and put the civil liability back on the parents, because they do that anyway and they fuck you over on your student loans anyway too.
That's what society is saying. You're 18, you're still a kid. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:12:32 PM EDT
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No
I will say because parents now let kids live at home until they are 30+ you might as well let the parents claim them on taxes even if they are not in school (sarcasm  ).
People need to grow the hell up, what happened???? My dad gave me an option right after I graduated high school, go to college and I can live at home or I start paying rent like I would anywhere else. No family discounts here. I spend a year and a half in college not having a damn clue what I wanted to do, my fault. In the end I decided I liked crayons and it worked out for me. When you become an adult choices start to count. Keep pushing the age back and 15 years down the road 40+ will have the same additude people at 30 have now. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:13:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. Young, stupid, brainwashed, inexperienced liberal voters aren't going to suddenly start voting conservative just because they turned 26. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:34:03 PM EDT
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Quoted: Nope, however most of them will have 3 years post-college life under their belt - sure they'll still be anti-gun and pro-abortion, but it's pretty doubtful they'll support those high tax brackets when they see it coming out of their check every month - especially when they realize all of their "free shit" program are being funded by that money. We have a cultural problem in this country that is much deeper than most realize - we're literally at a point that injecting 5 year olds with hormones and saying they're trans is normalized, we need MASSIVE fucking changes and we need them asap. You're underestimating the tendency of liberals to try fixing a leaky pipe with bubble gum instead of a wrench. Quoted:
You'd be surprised. I friends with some pretty hard left dope smoking hippies in college and once they graduated, got married and had kids they were riding that Trump train like a $2 whore. Anyone who thinks raising the voting age to 25 will change the colors on that map is delusional. We'd be giving up yet another piece of cake for nothing worthwhile in return. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:35:24 PM EDT
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18 military 18 voting 18 firearms 18 drinking |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:37:34 PM EDT
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If we raise the age for every right and privilege to 25, and define anyone under 25 as a literal child, sure.
Hell, make it 26. Obamacare already set that precedent. Democrats would probably lose everything but MA, NY, NJ, IL and CA. 26 to vote, join the military, get drafted, serve on a jury, be a civil servant, be elected to any office, own any property independently, get a DL without a sponsor, get car insurance without a sponsor, buy guns without permission from your parents, open a bank account without a sponsor... It could be pretty great. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:41:17 PM EDT
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They left would go on a rampage and burn everything if the voting age would even be increased even to 19.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:41:32 PM EDT
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If we could do that maybe we could come up with some more BS banning compromise threads. AKA not this shit AGAIN
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:42:19 PM EDT
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They left would go on a rampage and burn everything if the voting age would even be increased even to 19. They burn down their own neighborhoods, then find out they have to be 26 to get a loan to rebuild. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:44:04 PM EDT
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A conservative trolling would have supported a vote ban on the over-60 bracket, the Boomers. They have a disproportionate amount of leftists and antigunners, and a valid risk of senility.
Instead you propose attacking gen Z, which has the one of the highest and farthest-right sets of voters in living memory. Hmm. No bans, no compromise. Not now, not ever. Edit: muh teachable moment. This form of belief in sympathetic magic is why I extend the slogan: no compromise, no votes. For anyone. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:47:35 PM EDT
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If we raise the age for every right and privilege to 25, and define anyone under 25 as a literal child, sure. Hell, make it 26. Obamacare already set that precedent. Democrats would probably lose everything but MA, NY, NJ, IL and CA. That said enforce the laws we have. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:47:47 PM EDT
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OP while you are working to repeal the 26th Amendment could you get the repeal of the 19th thrown in as a bonus?......That would be great.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:51:03 PM EDT
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OP is on to something here. I can't wait to see what additional brilliant shit he/she posts up next...
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:53:58 PM EDT
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Sure, if thats the age they can get a DL, enlist and all that shit.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:55:03 PM EDT
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NO compromise. Not one inch. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:55:54 PM EDT
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18 military 35 and male voting 18 firearms 18 drinking |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 4:58:24 PM EDT
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So you're saying I can be married have a child on the way, own a business and be a partner in another and not buy a single gun myself for another 15 months. Yep that's fucking stupid.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 5:03:17 PM EDT
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Put in other words, this poll asks:
"Would you support the restriction on not one, but TWO of your sacred rights in this country?" Good. Grief. 
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Posted: 2/21/2018 5:06:43 PM EDT
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The nation needs to pick one age that is considered an adult and apply it uniformly. Vote, join the military, purchase alcohol, purchase firearms, purchase cigarette, and everything else.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 5:07:46 PM EDT
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Put in other words, this poll asks: "Would you support the restriction on not one, but TWO of your sacred rights in this country?" Good. Grief. Representative government is pretty stupid anyway. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 5:12:03 PM EDT
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So you're saying I can be married have a child on the way, own a business and be a partner in another and not buy a single gun myself for another 15 months. Yep that's fucking stupid.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 5:12:20 PM EDT
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Put in other words, this poll asks: "Would you support the restriction on not one, but TWO of your sacred rights in this country?" Good. Grief. The voting age hasn't always been 18 everywhere. It is a fair question. What makes a 17.99 year old a child (that can join the military, buy cigs, get charged as an adult) but an 18.00 year old is an adult (but not adult enough to drink, buy a pistol, rent a car)? |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 5:14:23 PM EDT
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You gonna trust politicians to honor a promise to link both voting and gun purchase age. I guarantee the voting age would be back to 18 in two years and gun purchase age would remain at 25 indefinitely. Stop acting like politicians of any stripe can be trusted.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 5:18:22 PM EDT
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Would you support such a deal. No voting until 25. You can still be gifted guns by family from 18-25, but you can't purchase one on your own.  So you are going to have someone who may have served in the military for almost 7 years unable to vote until 25. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 5:20:17 PM EDT
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Young people as a group, like women and blacks, vote Dem. If we raised the voting age to 25, less Dems would be elected and we could roll back other gun bans. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whomever voted yes, you should come in and give us your reasoning. We shouldn't make rules about voting just because we don't like how other people vote. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 5:23:22 PM EDT
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18 military 35 and male voting 18 firearms 18 drinking Quote HistoryQuoted:
18 military 35 and male voting 18 firearms 18 drinking Quoted: This has my vote! |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 5:24:19 PM EDT
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fuck this is worse than my work meetings with 87 introductions and stupid stories from people before ANYTHING gets discussed.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 5:30:32 PM EDT
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Might as well make it Land Owners like it use to be.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 5:32:19 PM EDT
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No, and GTFOWTS
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Posted: 2/21/2018 5:46:12 PM EDT
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We've compromised enough. Look elsewhere to solve the school shooting problem.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 5:54:26 PM EDT
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dude, we get it. but OP isn't proposing a teachable moment for them--he's asking if we would make that exchange. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While I won't bargain pieces of freedom away... There is a philosophical point here: a teachable moment as it were. All these kids under 25 who want to ban everything would think twice if it backfired, and they were mostly what got banned. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 5:55:04 PM EDT
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Might as well make it Land Owners like it use to be. |
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Posted: 2/22/2018 1:35:35 AM EDT
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I might consider it after the following are implemented and pass constitutional challenges:
1) No abortions for women under 25 2) No legal drinking until 25 3) No voting rights until 25 4) No right to freely assemble until 25 5) Major networks are no longer allowed to discuss politics in any manner until they show objective journalism.....same with newspapers. 6) Right to free speech suspended until 25 7) Unreasonable search laws do not apply until 25 8) Factors why being notified of a threat are revealed and corrected 9) TSA level security measures implemented at all schools with no increase in taxes or tax diversion from other sources. That should be a good discussion starting point. |
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Posted: 2/22/2018 1:37:29 AM EDT
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WTF. I've never called for locks on any type of thread before, but these need to fucking stop.
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Posted: 2/22/2018 1:40:59 AM EDT
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No. So everything in society gets reset by age. Nope.
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