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Posted: 2/21/2018 12:23:53 PM EDT
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Ok, so like pistols have been for as long as I can remember?
Not enthused, but not exactly going to go apoplectic about it either. Thing is I want something in return for these things. I'm tired of compromise meaning I just keep letting them cut off a toe, finger, or arm every time they screech without giving up anything themselves ever. They want these things then they give us something else in return. I know. I'm dreaming. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 12:25:05 PM EDT
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Trump isn't up for re-election, he doesn't need to worry about the heat. He could easily have said "I'm requesting Congress take action and get something on my desk" which is what a President should be doing. Which would have taken any heat off of him. The fact that Trump didn't ask Congress to do their job, instead went to the press with his demands that Sessions create a ban on bump stocks when the current law does not allow them to be regulate is very telling. Trump is trying to make things happen. He isn't playing 3D chess, he isn't trolling the media, he is backing a ban on bump stocks and raising the age to buy a rifle to 21. The sad part is we all know the legislators won't just pass a very simple bill raising the age to 21, they will still all sorts of other measures in it. Trump using Executive Action to push for more regulations, just like Bush, Clinton, and Obama gives me all the info I need to judge Trump on this. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 12:25:47 PM EDT
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Ok, so like pistols have been for as long as I can remember? Not enthused, but not exactly going to go apoplectic about it either. Thing is I want something in return for these things. I'm tired of compromise meaning I just keep letting them cut off a toe, finger, or arm every time they screech without giving up anything themselves ever. They want these things then they give us something else in return. I know. I'm dreaming. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 12:27:13 PM EDT
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If were going to play this little game, why don't we throw social media into the mix. Between cyber bullying and human trafficking concerns, social media is far to dangerous for anyone under 21 to participate. I'd venture a guess that more teens have committed suicide over negative social media comments than have been killed in school shootings.
Truth is we don't really want to solve the problem, only use dead kids to advance a political agenda. That's why there aren't calls to raise the age kids can have a facebook or twitter account when someone kills themselves or gets abducted over an online connection. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 12:32:44 PM EDT
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By then it’s too late. The mere fact that Trump and other Republicans are talking about or entertaining the possibility of ANY form of gun control is very troubling. I would never tell you to avoid calling your congress slugs or the White House over this. Feel free to do so. All I'm saying is don't freak out and act like this is a done deal. More than likely, if Trump really wanted this done, he would push it with legislation. No actions have been taken on ANY of this since the shooting. Also, Trump is known to play rope-a-dope games with the Dems to show everyone that they don't want to do something about the problems, just complain to muster up their base. Also, does anyone have any actual proof of Trump saying this? All I've seen are unnamed sources, and we know how that goes. And, for the record, you would be foolish to take Fox News's word for it. They're MSM as hell and Trump haters. On top of that, their obvious agenda is gun control. They have tons of advocates for it. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 12:37:40 PM EDT
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You people should wait and see what happens before going apeshit. 
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Posted: 2/21/2018 12:40:37 PM EDT
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And I think it needs to be lowered. 17 yo and you're an adult and everything that implies. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 12:40:43 PM EDT
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Yeah well we will just wait until they are at our doorstep before we do anything. Then continue to freak out over rumors and no actions. Your choice. Have fun with that. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 12:44:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please show me where ANYTHING has changed with your gun rights in a negative fashion due to |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 12:46:38 PM EDT
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I really don’t have a problem with a 21 year old ownership law. It would maybe stop some of these shooters from getting their hands off n guns OR make them try to find them illegally which might ‘out’ them.
But I also think there needs to be a law holding the gun owners responsible for the fact that they leave their guns laying around so these minors can kill people with them. If a kid breaks into a safe or takes some extraordinary effort to get the guns, no charges for the owner that secured them. Too many times we find these retard kid’s parents buying them guns and then not securing them. They give the kids carte Blanche access and when the kid snaps it’s as easy to grab the gun as it is a backpack. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 12:47:13 PM EDT
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Buy, own, possess and use are all different things. I think current pistol law is 21 to purchase, 18 to own, not sure on posses and nothing on use
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Posted: 2/21/2018 12:47:20 PM EDT
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Just checking in to see if GD is still carrying water for Trump.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 12:48:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The fact that Trump didn't ask Congress to do their job, instead went to the press with his demands that Sessions create a ban on bump stocks when the current law does not allow them to be regulate is very telling. Trump is trying to make things happen. He isn't playing 3D chess, he isn't trolling the media, he is backing a ban on bump stocks and raising the age to buy a rifle to 21. 
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Posted: 2/21/2018 12:49:19 PM EDT
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In for another GD freakout session.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 12:50:02 PM EDT
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Same people were screaming that he had given the dems everything they wanted for the dreamers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bullshit. Some of you need to stop freaking out and remember how many times Trump has fooled the shit out of the media. We were_assured that that was going to happen too. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 12:51:06 PM EDT
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It’s a dumb idea, mandatory conscription at 18 for 2 years is a smart one. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 12:52:47 PM EDT
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I really don’t have a problem with a 21 year old ownership law. It would maybe stop some of these shooters from getting their hands off n guns OR make them try to find them illegally which might ‘out’ them. But I also think there needs to be a law holding the gun owners responsible for the fact that they leave their guns laying around so these minors can kill people with them. If a kid breaks into a safe or takes some extraordinary effort to get the guns, no charges for the owner that secured them. Too many times we find these retard kid’s parents buying them guns and then not securing them. They give the kids carte Blanche access and when the kid snaps it’s as easy to grab the gun as it is a backpack. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 12:52:56 PM EDT
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See how dumb that argument is? No, I don't. Trump came out pro-gun, Obama was obviously for gun control. Obama tried to have his ATF ban shouldering pistol stabilizers and used an EO to ban imports of firearms and ammo from Russia. He also used an EO to ban vets from owning firearms if they signed over their financial decisions to someone else. He took action. Trump has taken no anti-2A legislative or EO actions. Poor comparison. I'm still waiting to that link of audio or video of Trump saying this. I'll settle for him writing something down, too. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 12:56:20 PM EDT
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Reagan didn't do that. The legislature did that before he got in and then took the money away to make sure that he couldn't fix it. Nixon, on the other hand, thought that he could buy votes by appeasing the liberals with things like deinstitutionalization, and he did it all across the US, which led to the whole insanity of things like the "Free the Slow" movement in Texas. It wasn't Reagan. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Funny I keep forgetting what did Ronald Regean sign in 1986? Dont Arfcommers say he was the greatest president of all time? Fuck Clinton for the AWB Fuck Bush Jr. For the patriot act and GWOT FUCK OBAMA (pick any one of the 30 available reasons) FUCK TRUMP....why? What's he actually done that hurts America or gun rights? Fuck Nixon for dismantling the mental asylums Fuck Regan! For tossing out the fair reporting Fuck Clinton for the AWB Fuck Bush Jr. For the patriot act and GWOT FUCK OBAMA (pick any one of the 30 available reasons) FUCK TRUMP....why? What's he actually done that hurts America or gun rights? |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 12:58:03 PM EDT
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Age to vote ought to be 21 then also. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 12:59:53 PM EDT
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It absolutely isn't. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It’s a dumb idea, mandatory conscription at 18 for 2 years is a smart one. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 1:03:53 PM EDT
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Iirc I was 16 when I got my first pistol. Before that I had shoot, but only owned pellet and B.B. guns
- answer to voting is remove the franchise to anyone with public support. While the youth hurt, welfare and aarp looses a lot of votes as well - grew up with access to guns at not only my house, but probably every friends house. The problem is not access it is indoctrination. We used them as tools for hunting not social engineering |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 1:03:53 PM EDT
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So what are we getting in return hpa National cfp? Tried of compromise meaning gun owners get fucked
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Posted: 2/21/2018 1:04:59 PM EDT
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take it to 40...more guns for me
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Posted: 2/21/2018 1:05:20 PM EDT
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Age to vote ought to be 21 then also. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 1:10:43 PM EDT
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Age to vote ought to be 21 then also. I believe you should have to qualify to vote with the qualification being some sort of proven success. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 1:16:56 PM EDT
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Bullshit. Some of you need to stop freaking out and remember how many times Trump has fooled the shit out of the media. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 1:17:07 PM EDT
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I guess i should turn my gund in now,since arfcom has decided that i shouldnt own them.
I remeber a proposal to make it illegal for anyone under 18 to be able to handle a firearm at all, so i guess that would be the next logical step, think of the children. 
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Posted: 2/21/2018 1:17:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. Trump has a long history of drifting away from a gun control position, not towards it. This was not the feeling I got when Bush said that he would be happy to reauthorize the AWB at all. I suspect that Trump will do what he has been doing, which is use something reasonable to the fat middle of the bell curve to draw the Dems in and make the whole thing their failure, hang it around their neck, and look far more reasonable and statesmanlike to the low information voter WHICH IS WHAT HE HAS BEEN DOING BY THE NUMBERS and then quietly keep doing all of the MAGA stuff that people aren't paying attention to. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 1:17:52 PM EDT
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Then continue to freak out over rumors and no actions. Your choice. Have fun with that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Yeah well we will just wait until they are at our doorstep before we do anything. I’m just saying that your wait and see logic is flawed. Kinda like  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 1:18:04 PM EDT
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That's more than an inch.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 1:26:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: TOTALLY AGREE the fucking NEVER TRUMPERS and trolls are jumping with joy right now . It like the num nut ass wipes want this crap to happen. Fucking disgusting POS. They are speading thus crap faster than the left wing extremists spread the russian bullshit. Oh wait they spread that shit on here also  |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 2:01:14 PM EDT
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I’m not freaking out. I’m just saying that your wait and see logic is flawed. Kinda like https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/351027/0B644FE4-BAA7-4DC3-BE93-9FF75586C42A-459631.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/21/2018 2:08:35 PM EDT
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I didn't vote for Trump, never trusted him. I still hoped to be proved wrong once he was elected because I want what's best for the country more than I like being right. But seing what Trump is actually backing, I'd hope his hardcore fans would be the first to hold his feet to the fire rather than sitting back smirking about 4d chess and telling the realists to sit back and see where he's going with this. And I have the right to remind you that the other option is hillary. Because if not for Trump, hillary as slated to "win." I don't GAF if you "trust Trump." Because I trust hilldog to fuck us over at every turn as a matter of course. Trump screwing us once or twice is still better than that. Yes, this sucks........but every time Trump does/says something that can be construed as deviating from extreme right-ism, the never-trumpers come out in force with the "see what you did, look.....trump really is horrible and cannot be trusted." It's worn out and tired. Trump is your potus. He's 1000000x better for us than Hillary would have been. That is a damn fact. Because if Hillary was in office, there'd be an AWB out already in Congress and we'd be considering confiscation of all semi-autos rather than the potential of an accessory being used as a pawn. Neither is good, but lest you forget.....Hilldog promised to work on nothing besides gun control as soon as she got into office, and to work on it until she got everything she wanted (which is all the guns). |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 2:11:13 PM EDT
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when will we see some winning on guns ? |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 2:12:15 PM EDT
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I work in an office full of old oilfield guys. Been shooting with all of them. Nearly all of them have nfa stuff. All have AR's and ak's. Every one today was saying they agree with the 21 to own an AR bit. It's hard to argue against when handguns already have that limit, and nobody wants psycho kids shooting up schools. This is in the most red state in the country. That should tell you something about national sentiment.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 2:16:45 PM EDT
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My son turned 18 yesterday.
He is mature and very responsible. He has been signed into Navy delayed entry for several months now and in 5 months he leaves for basic training. This curtails his Second Amendment rights. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 2:17:04 PM EDT
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Ok, so like pistols have been for as long as I can remember? Not enthused, but not exactly going to go apoplectic about it either. Thing is I want something in return for these things. I'm tired of compromise meaning I just keep letting them cut off a toe, finger, or arm every time they screech without giving up anything themselves ever. They want these things then they give us something else in return. I know. I'm dreaming. Never even thought about it. As you say. "its always been that way" Flame me. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 2:17:36 PM EDT
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If were going to play this little game, why don't we throw social media into the mix. Between cyber bullying and human trafficking concerns, social media is far to dangerous for anyone under 21 to participate. I'd venture a guess that more teens have committed suicide over negative social media comments than have been killed in school shootings. Truth is we don't really want to solve the problem, only use dead kids to advance a political agenda. That's why there aren't calls to raise the age kids can have a facebook or twitter account when someone kills themselves or gets abducted over an online connection. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 2:21:21 PM EDT
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I would almost be okay with 21 to buy, IF we get something major in return. What, I don’t know, but if we give an inch here, we better take a foot somewhere else. I’m sick of playing the damage control game instead of coordinating actual compromise. If anyone can do that, it’s Trump. We’ll see.
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Posted: 2/21/2018 2:22:23 PM EDT
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My son turned 18 yesterday. He is mature and very responsible. He has been signed into Navy delayed entry for several months now and in 5 months he leaves for basic training. This curtails his Second Amendment rights. The problem with age is its an arbitrary number. I know 17 year olds who have their shit together and 43 year olds who don't. we know that GENERALLY people who are older are more mature and wiser. hence age restrictions. unfair, yes. broad yes. arbitrary, yes. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 2:25:27 PM EDT
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Funny I keep forgetting what did Ronald Regean sign in 1986? Dont Arfcommers say he was the greatest president of all time? Of course I know you're referring only to what was supposed to be the poison pill in the bill. Remember he was dealing with a D controlled Congress, and although the Ds of the 80s were not the out and proud commies they have become today, they were still no friend to us. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 2:30:33 PM EDT
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I really don’t have a problem with a 21 year old ownership law. It would maybe stop some of these shooters from getting their hands off n guns OR make them try to find them illegally which might ‘out’ them. But I also think there needs to be a law holding the gun owners responsible for the fact that they leave their guns laying around so these minors can kill people with them. If a kid breaks into a safe or takes some extraordinary effort to get the guns, no charges for the owner that secured them. Too many times we find these retard kid’s parents buying them guns and then not securing them. They give the kids carte Blanche access and when the kid snaps it’s as easy to grab the gun as it is a backpack. I wish the COC didnt keep me from telling you what I really want to say about what you "think" |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 2:32:07 PM EDT
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Trump is hosting parents, teachers and students, including those from Parkland, to talk school safety today. It will be interesting to hear what he says later this week.
One thing folks shouldn't underestimate is the whole 'kids dying' effect on Trump. Remember the Syria strike? |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 2:32:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the way you think terrifies me and gives me little hope that our fellow gun owners will fight more unconstitutional laws I wish the COC didnt keep me from telling you what I really want to say about what you "think" |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 2:36:44 PM EDT
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Exactly. This is all a trap for the media and antis. They keep falling for it. Got it. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 2:38:25 PM EDT
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With the current situation with the tide pod eating generation I am all for this. Go for 25 though. If you can't rent a car or are still eligible to be on your parents insurance you aren't ready. To be fair though we are going to need to apply this age of 25 to all things across the board. No drinking, no drivers licenses, no voting, no marriage, no military service, no draft, no smoking, no credit cards, no entering in any legal contracts, no jobs(it's child labor after all), no casino, no lottery tickets, etc. Anything and everything should be set at 25 as the minimum age. See how well that flies with the college age lefties. Voting age used to be 21 let's bring that back and bump it up to 25!
"You can't do that! It infringes on our rights?" the left will say. Ya well fuck you...all your bullshit anti gun crap infringe on mine. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 2:40:38 PM EDT
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If the age to purchase all guns is 21, then an 18 year old cannot buy a rifle and saw the barrel down to pistol length. This means SBR laws no longer serve a purpose at all. 
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Posted: 2/21/2018 2:41:20 PM EDT
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Trump is hosting parents, teachers and students, including those from Parkland, to talk school safety today. It will be interesting to hear what he says later this week. One thing folks shouldn't underestimate is the whole 'kids dying' effect on Trump. Remember the Syria strike? Ivanka is swell but her social circle is as left oligarch as it gets. |
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Posted: 2/21/2018 2:48:44 PM EDT
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the way you think terrifies me and gives me little hope that our fellow gun owners will fight more unconstitutional laws I wish the COC didnt keep me from telling you what I really want to say about what you "think" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I really don’t have a problem with a 21 year old ownership law. It would maybe stop some of these shooters from getting their hands off n guns OR make them try to find them illegally which might ‘out’ them. But I also think there needs to be a law holding the gun owners responsible for the fact that they leave their guns laying around so these minors can kill people with them. If a kid breaks into a safe or takes some extraordinary effort to get the guns, no charges for the owner that secured them. Too many times we find these retard kid’s parents buying them guns and then not securing them. They give the kids carte Blanche access and when the kid snaps it’s as easy to grab the gun as it is a backpack. I wish the COC didnt keep me from telling you what I really want to say about what you "think" I’m not sure what terrifies you about an age restriction to keep an AR15 out of the hands of the age group most likely to shoot up a school with it. Not to mention that each time one of these idiots shoot up a school, it gives the other side more ammunition to outright ban AR15’s. But then again, I really don’t care what you think. |
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