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Posted: 2/20/2018 8:18:20 AM EDT
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Just need something else to roll on the news cycles, perhaps a trump relative getting a wad of cash from Russia story. At this point anything that the libs can scream about against trump would do. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 8:18:26 AM EDT
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If nothing nationally was passed after Sandy Hook with Dem leadership, why are you worried about Trump' Administration?  |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 8:19:50 AM EDT
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If the Republicans actually passed a sweeping pro-RKBA law then they wouldn't have that as a campaign issue anymore. They want to be in power and keep the money rolling in, you don't do that by giving your constituents everything they want.
You could say the same about Democrats and the laws they bark about. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 8:22:02 AM EDT
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The only reason, and it's a valid concern, the Rs would pass some gun control would be to fuck over Trump The Rinos despise him, and doing something that could make him lose the election is right in their wheelhouse. But I think trump vetoes it Your move, Democrats. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 8:23:48 AM EDT
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A few days after it was like Vegas never even happened. That was weird. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's what everyone said after Vegas. That was weird. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 8:23:48 AM EDT
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While you guys are celebrating no federal gun control law individual states will have passed their own. I think Florida will be the next to fall.
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Posted: 2/20/2018 8:25:11 AM EDT
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with the great prices over the past year on ar stuff people should have plenty of everything. we have been saying for a long time stock up and stock up deep on ammo, mags, BCG and lowers. At the prices today there is no reason not to have at least one build and 1000 rounds sitting around. I do however agree we should stay on top of things by mailing our congress. However that has shown to be frivolous especially after the fail HPA for the last few years. We have to fight harder than the opposition. If we do, then we will win. If we get complacent and don't care because "I gots mine" then they will take it piece by piece. “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!” -Patrick Henry “The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.” -Thomas Jefferson “What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as freedom should not be highly rated.” -Thomas Paine “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” -Samuel Adams |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 8:26:05 AM EDT
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While you guys are celebrating no federal gun control law individual states will have passed their own. I think Florida will be the next to fall. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 8:28:22 AM EDT
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Meh... the left is leveraging the students to do their dirty work but even many students realize that banning ARs will not do the trick.
Smaller schools are not the answer to our kids social problems but rather parents who love and discipline their children. Unfortunately that is not the way our culture is headed... |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 8:31:28 AM EDT
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We need to keep the pressure on the law makers. This one has gained traction that Sandy Hook didn’t. We can’t sleep on this one. My wife who was supportive of our rights is now full of emotions and feelings as to how we need change. I never thought I’d be fighting her on gun rights. The conversations in my house have gotten heated. My kids 13 and 11 are showing reason. My son thinks we need to arm teachers. If not with guns at least with tasers. My daughter has identified a problem not being discussed. She thinks schools are to big. The large size of many of our schools makes many kids feel disconnected from others. Smaller schools and classes could help nurture compassion and unity in local communities. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 8:34:11 AM EDT
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We need an Impending Gun Ban forum to put all these threads.
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Posted: 2/20/2018 8:34:38 AM EDT
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Time to stop talking and start doing something.
ANYTHING. ANY IDEAS? FIGHT BACK! HARDER! |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 8:35:46 AM EDT
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This one is different. They're using their hatred for Trump as an oxidizer to put the pressure on vulnerable politicians. I think we are in danger if we keep looking at Sandy Hook as a "high water mark" of sorts for mass shootings. I think the left is successfully painting the narrative that Trump/republicans are to blame for mass events like this and that Mr. and Mrs. low information voter/milquetoast gun owner are beginning to fall for it. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 8:38:08 AM EDT
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I have already started to push back, don't sit back and watch, do something.
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Posted: 2/20/2018 8:39:54 AM EDT
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There may be some traction for the 21 to buy idea in DC, and NICS improvements, but bans and mag limits are probably a non-starter.
The Republicans will give in out of weakness on the first two, but will get nothing in return. They'll be afraid the last one will piss too many people off. National CCW reciprocity and the HPA, while seemingly dead before, are now dead forever. The Republicans won't have the balls to put them up before 2018, and then they'll blame 2020. It's going to be the same with the various investigations associated with Clinton, U1, and the Nunes memo. The Republicans are running out the clock in anticipation of a 2018 loss which will take the pressure off of them to actually do anything. Professional wrestling is what we're watching, nothing more. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 8:41:05 AM EDT
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We need to keep the pressure on the law makers. This one has gained traction that Sandy Hook didn't. We can't sleep on this one. My wife who was supportive of our rights is now full of emotions and feelings as to how we need change. I never thought I'd be fighting her on gun rights. The conversations in my house have gotten heated. My kids 13 and 11 are showing reason. My son thinks we need to arm teachers. If not with guns at least with tasers. My daughter has identified a problem not being discussed. She thinks schools are to big. The large size of many of our schools makes many kids feel disconnected from others. Smaller schools and classes could help nurture compassion and unity in local communities. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 8:41:37 AM EDT
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Kids younger than the ones in Florida and homosexuals were killed under obama and nothing was passed. I doubt anything will pass under trump
Where was all this nonsense under obama? Libs wait till trump gets in to go full retard on the 2nd. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 8:41:37 AM EDT
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Follow the money. Bigger schools have more horsepower to grab more taxpayer dollars. The system is self-aware, and the best way to keep the system alive is to suck more money in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My daughter has identified a problem not being discussed. She thinks schools are to big. The large size of many of our schools makes many kids feel disconnected from others. Smaller schools and classes could help nurture compassion and unity in local communities. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 8:46:48 AM EDT
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Personally, I think the threat for new controls is at the State level. They've changed from a national push to trying to pick off states where it us far easier to swing some politicos around to"Do Something". Because, you know, it's for the chirren. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:17:12 AM EDT
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Lived through the previous AWB and numerous panics.
Don’t recall the MSM drumbeat for more gun control ever being as loud and frantic as it is now. Sad and pathetic. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:20:06 AM EDT
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Lived through the previous AWB and numerous panics. Don’t recall the MSM drumbeat for more gun control ever being as loud and frantic as it is now. Sad and pathetic. 
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:20:58 AM EDT
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I think the OP is totally correct. We have gotten too comfortable with no blowback after these shootings. Please consider donating to the NRA ILA Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If nothing nationally was passed after Sandy Hook with Dem leadership, why are you worried about Trump' Administration? I think we are in danger if we keep looking at Sandy Hook as a "high water mark" of sorts for mass shootings. I think the left is successfully painting the narrative that Trump/republicans are to blame for mass events like this and that Mr. and Mrs. low information voter/milquetoast gun owner are beginning to fall for it. Please consider donating to the NRA ILA |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:24:59 AM EDT
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Some of the rhetoric coming out of the left this time is...it's unbelievable. They've ramped up the shrieking to a new level.
What's worrying are the voices of appeasement I'm hearing. This is a terrible, terrible mistake. It has been demonstrated time and again that if you give anything to the left it is seen as an admission of moral guilt and after that anything goes. Any parent knows you do not reward tantrums. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:25:55 AM EDT
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Nothing on the national level maybe.
State and local? Bet on it. One state at a time. Remember when everyone said fuck NY and Cali? This is a long term fight for us. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:28:31 AM EDT
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Why? So I can be out a couple bucks and then watch them "compromise"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If nothing nationally was passed after Sandy Hook with Dem leadership, why are you worried about Trump' Administration? I think we are in danger if we keep looking at Sandy Hook as a "high water mark" of sorts for mass shootings. I think the left is successfully painting the narrative that Trump/republicans are to blame for mass events like this and that Mr. and Mrs. low information voter/milquetoast gun owner are beginning to fall for it. Please consider donating to the NRA ILA NRA-ILA or a PAC of your choice supporting a candidate who won't fuck us. This is important, call, but write as well. Give the twats time to run around and rage but then a counter plan should be on the table. Instead of "do nothing theft of enumerated rights, as part of infrastructure spending we propose simple steps to harden schools while making them more modern and safer for students". Use of a PIV card to enter , the magnetic doors to use such a system, with local over ride. IE you pull the fire alarm to defeat the system that can be easily stopped. Like all democrat bullshit there is generally a simpler way that doesn't fuck everyone. make no mistake, the cunts are mustering forces and will push this again. a counter solution with proven background works. remember, the same morning armed security at ft meade stopped a person trying to run a gate, in the past they have done the same. they control the message via the press , we control outmaneuvering them. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:29:28 AM EDT
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If it happens, it won't for at least six months, the Democrats want more gun control naturally but they don't want it passed until later this year as they know the Republicans will have to put their name on it and they know that doing so will hurt them big time in the mid term elections.
They Democrats are playing the Republicans like a fiddle on this. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:31:05 AM EDT
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Nothing on the national level maybe. State and local? Bet on it. One state at a time. Remember when everyone said fuck NY and Cali? This is a long term fight for us. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:31:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Right now my state is on a mission to funk us over, as is Fl, and others, and as it happens, state level shot is where the NBA is worthless. We all need to do it ourselves. The left are extremely good at very loud persistent screaming. It's fascinating to me to see SJW tactics employed at such a big level, and like all the places where this happens, people will not realise until the infection has spread to the brain. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:31:26 AM EDT
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I agree. This one feels different.
The enemy has a plan this time. It's polished and well rehearsed. Something feels like the pre-WWII Japanese navy is sailing west....I can't see it, but I know it's coming. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:31:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:32:34 AM EDT
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I agree. This one feels different. The enemy has a plan this time. It's polished and well rehearsed. Something feels like the pre-WWII Japanese navy is sailing west....I can't see it, but I know it's coming. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:33:38 AM EDT
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Meh.
I don't do gun control unless it's me controlling my guns for legal purposes. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:34:20 AM EDT
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What they need to do is investigate the FBI, local Leo's, and the school for not doing anything with this kid.
Apparently there was more than enough evidence that he was a credible threat. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:36:05 AM EDT
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They might do something in terms of GVPO and "improvements" to NICS, but I don't see a AWB happening until after the mid terms depending on how bad it is.
We have a whole government full of people supporting a law for DACA and they still can't pass one. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:38:23 AM EDT
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They have the impetus of the underdog, and nothing to lose. There's also been something of a mastery of social media rhetoric over the last few years - the same thing the Russians were able to exploit successfully. If you look at
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:40:57 AM EDT
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We need to keep the pressure on the law makers. This one has gained traction that Sandy Hook didn’t. We can’t sleep on this one. My wife who was supportive of our rights is now full of emotions and feelings as to how we need change. I never thought I’d be fighting her on gun rights. The conversations in my house have gotten heated. My kids 13 and 11 are showing reason. My son thinks we need to arm teachers. If not with guns at least with tasers. My daughter has identified a problem not being discussed. She thinks schools are to big. The large size of many of our schools makes many kids feel disconnected from others. Smaller schools and classes could help nurture compassion and unity in local communities. couple the failure of family units, single parenting, and a slew of other factors there is something different in the air, stay vigilant, our rights should not be determined by mental deficients |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:41:06 AM EDT
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If nothing nationally was passed after Sandy Hook with Dem leadership, why are you worried about Trump' Administration? ones that got on the train reluctantly but still want to see PDJT break his campaign promises (wall and protect 2nd) so they can say "i told you so i knew drumpf was no good all along" a fairweather-nevatrump is just as bad as the most rabid leftist and fulltime-nevatrump enemies of MAGA, no quarter will be given |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:42:26 AM EDT
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Time to stop talking and start doing something. ANYTHING. ANY IDEAS? FIGHT BACK! HARDER! I have to be at work at 5AM daily. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:44:49 AM EDT
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The truth is the problem here does stem from the FBI's non handling of this. Why did they not do anything? This could have been definitely prevented and easily. They need to explain and correct that without furthering any gun control. There's no reason we as gun owners should take the blame for this. Personally I'm getting sick of all of their shit
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:44:55 AM EDT
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I'm not going to link them but an AWB is possible, Trump has indicated he's ok with Cornyn's FixNICS bill which was previously rolled into the now stalled Reciprocity bill. State-level bans on Bump Stocks have continued to fester under the radar. A Gabby Giffords-pushed mental health bill has had growing success on the state level and it will very likely be pushed nationally- whereby family members can raise their concerns about you before a court without your knowledge and have your weapons confiscated and the burden is on YOU to prove you're worthy to own them. There are multi-pronged tools in their arsenal, not to mention the weakening of the Congress which is definitely in their plans for 2018. They are playing the long game here as they always have. I'll remind you, Trump was supposed to get us our rights BACK. Now here we are again playing lazy defense when we should be playing an aggressive offense. 
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:45:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:47:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:48:19 AM EDT
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Any R that pushes any kind of gun control is finished. Any D in a red state that pushes any kind of gun control is finished. They're going to make some kind of token change to NCIC, that's all. This is an issue that is a LONG TERM goal of the Democrats. They have wanted this since the 80's, got it once and will be back for it again and again and again... until they get it. Next time they won't have a 10 year sunset in it. The changes to force authorities / agencies / institutions to update NCIC are long overdue. We see this from the Charlestown Church killer, the Texas Church Killer and others who shouldn't / wouldn't / couldn't get a gun except that they "slipped through" because their ineligibility was never reported or placed in the system. This will put emphasis to the "Universal Background Check" for all sales (Commercial and Private) which puts us on the road to a Universal Ownership List (of course if Edward Snowden and whatever it's name Manning's WikiLeaks have shown us that the .GOV will always be honest and never cross the legal lines for their own purposes... (Cue Native Americans for their testimony of US GOV honor of treaties)... There are a number of retiring politicians who are taking their warchests full of $$$ and leaving the game. They have no reason to stick with their positions because of re-election requirements unless they need that cred for becoming lobbiest or other "former elected political positions" in .GOV". They would not wait a fraction of a second if they though that doing so would place them on the side of a majority - winning side. Having a bunch of high schoolers & Soccer Moms who know nothing of the world, all bleating on TV parroting "NRA has blood on their hands" (Gee - I wonder Where - Who they got that from) and the near 100% hatred firearms owners have from the same mass media that pumps violent content and news for ratings, I'd say we have a lot of hard work awaiting for us. BIGGER_HAMMER 
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:49:47 AM EDT
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Just for shits I went to CNN home page this morning. Anti-gun article after anti-gun article. It's going to take something big. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:53:08 AM EDT
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Only if those opposed adopt a defeatist attitude and "compromise" again.
Though it does amaze me the number of people who don't implicitly trust their government in any capacity other than to properly apply "vetting" for fiream ownership. What could go wrong? |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:53:45 AM EDT
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If nothing nationally was passed after Sandy Hook with Dem leadership, why are you worried about Trump' Administration? Any one didn't bring down the curtain, but in the totality and combined, we are in a dangerous era when if the "R"s lose, we may be facing great danger to our rights under "D" government that the Media is doing everything it possibly can to create... |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:55:07 AM EDT
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I see them taking out token legislation like “improved” background. Dems don’t want any changes right now. They are using this as a campaign issue. If they get the house and Senate then we are fucked. Supreme Court is not in our favor yet to stop whatever shit they can force. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:56:53 AM EDT
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Nothing is going to happen. Trump was actually right. Obama and the dems had 8 Fucking years. Also you can thank Cruz my booger eating senator for beating it back during that time . Will be much screeching and gnashing but no laws will be passes The Crypt Keeper stated its worth loosing an election but she knows the truth |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:57:45 AM EDT
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They have the impetus of the underdog, and nothing to lose. There's also been something of a mastery of social media rhetoric over the last few years - the same thing the Russians were able to exploit successfully. If you look at |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 9:57:55 AM EDT
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We need an Impending Gun Ban forum to put all these threads. We don't need them here. |
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