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Posted: 2/19/2018 12:06:44 AM EDT
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The Democrats can't deal with the truth, that tearing down our societal values has consequences. The chickens are coming home to roost from their war on God in the public arena. The Constution was written for a moral society. Not the morals of the left. There are other things too, but I think has the most to do with it. Now we are only left with hardening the schools to slow the trend or "give up the guns" which is a pipe dream. And will not do a thing. What will they want when a school massacre happens after MOST are turned in? They won't stop and that is why they can't win!
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Posted: 2/19/2018 12:10:42 AM EDT
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As a parent, it saddens me greatly whenever I hear of these lunatics shooting up a school. I know many of us here are not just proud gun owners but also deeply loving parents. There is no greater tragedy then to lose a child to senseless violence. This awful trend of school violence needs to be dealt with. "No compromise, from my cold dead hands", yeah I get it but at the end of the day, that doesn't solve anything and doesn't address the issue. What say the hive? |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 12:15:20 AM EDT
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1. Fuck anyone who wants to restrict my rights. 2. Dozens of solutions that don't involve restricting our rights have been proposed already. I don't see anyone calling for restrictions on vehicle purchases/ownership simply because of the large number of alcohol related deaths in motor vehicles. Why? Because it doesn't make sense to blame the method of death...blame the culprit. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 12:15:29 AM EDT
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At the end of the day, our unalienable right... Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, outweighs your bravado and some mentally unstable's "right" to guns. *Put armed guards in schools *Deny the rights of millions of Americans. Tough call apparently |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 12:30:58 AM EDT
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Sleeper account? That's a first. Ok some predictable F off, not my problem responses. Great, very macho of you. The question was not being posed to basement dwellers but to those with school aged children who have imagined the unimaginable pain these parents must be going through. All I was stating was that the adults in the room and responsible gun owners need to be part of the solution. At the end of the day, our unalienable right... Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, outweighs your bravado and some mentally unstable's "right" to guns. I don't know what the answer but I think it should be up to us gunowners to ponder the issue more than just macho sound bites. I am going to give it to you anyway. Criminals do not abide by laws. They are criminals by very definition. Murder is already "banned". Words on paper do not prevent crime when civility has been discarded. Adding more words on more paper will have the same effect as the ban on drugs or alcohol had. Which is to say none at all for the people who choose or chose to ignore the words on paper. When someone chooses to murder, they are aware that it is illegal but that obviously is not enough to deter that behavior. At that point laws can only serve to punish after the fact, not prevent. The only people laws do affect are those that choose to abide by laws in the first place, which by definition are not murders. Anything other than meeting evil physical force with equal or greater good physical force is an emotional hand wringing response to a logical problem which can only lead to trading freedom for the illusion of safety. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 12:50:01 AM EDT
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1. Fuck anyone who wants to restrict my rights. 2. Dozens of solutions that don't involve restricting our rights have been proposed already. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 12:55:32 AM EDT
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Harden the schools Mag lock and heavy doors on every class and entrypoint. Allow them to be panick locked by a panick button in every class Controlled access entry. No one gets in without permission Armed security to screen and defend Allow teachers to arm themselves beit simple pepper spray or more lethal means Pay attention to people when they are on social media saying they want to shoot up schools All sorts of solutions already in place at sporting arenas and amusement parks nationwide Why is only about the 2nd? Ask yourself that. Crime would actually go UP afterwards, but that is not the Left's concern. They do not care about citizens. Never did and never will. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 12:57:09 AM EDT
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As a parent, it saddens me greatly whenever I hear of these lunatics shooting up a school. I know many of us here are not just proud gun owners but also deeply loving parents. There is no greater tragedy then to lose a child to senseless violence. This awful trend of school violence needs to be dealt with. "No compromise, from my cold dead hands", yeah I get it but at the end of the day, that doesn't solve anything and doesn't address the issue. What say the hive? 
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Posted: 2/19/2018 1:01:38 AM EDT
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all great ideas. When's the last time conservatives, in general, and arfcom, in particular, wanted to increase taxes to pay for hardening schools? 
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Posted: 2/19/2018 1:06:13 AM EDT
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As a parent, it saddens me greatly whenever I hear of these lunatics shooting up a school. I know many of us here are not just proud gun owners but also deeply loving parents. There is no greater tragedy then to lose a child to senseless violence. This awful trend of school violence needs to be dealt with. "No compromise, from my cold dead hands", yeah I get it but at the end of the day, that doesn't solve anything and doesn't address the issue. What say the hive? ETA: and for those who wonder what it was like leading up to 1994 - it was like this; there were orange vested fudds on the news every night saying we had to compromise and do something because no one needs those weapons of war and our children are being killed. Exact same playbook. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 1:08:42 AM EDT
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My only thought is putting kids that make threatening statements into the court system and if it is determined they pose a threat, take away their right to purchase a firearm. The school psychologist, admin, local police often meet for these issues already. If they determine their is a threat send it to a court. They could park a car a block away and rain down crossbow bolts on football game and it would be totally silent. People would be dying all over before anyone figured out what was happening. No, if they are a credible threat they need to be removed from society altogether. None of this "Hurr-dur can't buy from a gun store, lol!" is going to stop a determined killer. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 1:14:07 AM EDT
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It is the breakdown of morality and family values that is causing the increase in shootings. Society is sick. The left doesn't want to acknowledge those things are a problem, and certainly doesn't want to fix it as I believe they set our breakdown in society by design. Unfortunately this is a by product of that.
At this point there is no magic fix. Certainly allowing the adults in the school to be armed would help minimize the dangers. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 1:14:51 AM EDT
[#13]
You started the thread, what is your idea ?
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Posted: 2/19/2018 1:40:20 AM EDT
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Sleeper account? That's a first. Ok some predictable F off, not my problem responses. Great, very macho of you. The question was not being posed to basement dwellers but to those with school aged children who have imagined the unimaginable pain these parents must be going through. All I was stating was that the adults in the room and responsible gun owners need to be part of the solution. At the end of the day, our unalienable right... Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, outweighs your bravado and some mentally unstable's "right" to guns. I don't know what the answer but I think it should be up to us gunowners to ponder the issue more than just macho sound bites. If so, please lead by example, turn in your guns, then log out of arfcom and don't come back to this gun forum. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 1:43:17 AM EDT
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all great ideas. When's the last time conservatives, in general, and arfcom, in particular, wanted to increase taxes to pay for hardening schools? |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 1:49:23 AM EDT
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You started the thread, what is your idea ? |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 2:12:44 AM EDT
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These attackers are cowards who look for the biggest "gun free" zones so that they know they will be the only one with a weapon.
We have armed guards paid to protect bank tellers and money, security for celebrities and athletes, yet they refuse to use our tax dollars to secure schools? Let's take a % of the money we're giving away to countries that hate us and invest in keeping our future generations safe. Billions are wasted every year, there must be a way to redirect some of that into securing schools and places of mass gatherings. I imagine a few billion a year in foreign aid kept home could go a long ways towards footing the bill for increased school hardening. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 2:42:46 AM EDT
[#18]
Eliminate gun free zones. Free and instant results. Pretty simple.
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Posted: 2/19/2018 3:00:33 AM EDT
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As a logical person if I wanted to save childrens lives, Id probably focus on something where the chance a child were killed is not statistically near zero. So literally anything else, like car accidents, suicide, overdoses, drowning, etc. By spending resources on this instead of something much more likely to harm them we are facilitating a much large number of deaths.
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Posted: 2/19/2018 3:00:33 AM EDT
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School shootings would go down if kids were still allowed to 'duke it out'.
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Posted: 2/19/2018 3:19:20 AM EDT
[#21]
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As a parent, it saddens me greatly whenever I hear of these lunatics shooting up a school. I know many of us here are not just proud gun owners but also deeply loving parents. There is no greater tragedy then to lose a child to senseless violence. This awful trend of school violence needs to be dealt with. "No compromise, from my cold dead hands", yeah I get it but at the end of the day, that doesn't solve anything and doesn't address the issue. What say the hive? |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 3:59:19 AM EDT
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Sleeper account? That's a first. Ok some predictable F off, not my problem responses. Great, very macho of you. The question was not being posed to basement dwellers but to those with school aged children who have imagined the unimaginable pain these parents must be going through. All I was stating was that the adults in the room and responsible gun owners need to be part of the solution. At the end of the day, our unalienable right... Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, outweighs your bravado and some mentally unstable's "right" to guns. I don't know what the answer but I think it should be up to us gunowners to ponder the issue more than just macho sound bites. 
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Posted: 2/19/2018 4:10:07 AM EDT
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Nah, that would mean being involved as a parent and keeping the home they're raised within intact. That requires, like, responsibility and shit
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Posted: 2/19/2018 4:48:55 AM EDT
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Here's an idea.
How about we admit that guns are part of American culture, have been around since Day One and will be here till Day Z. Teach your kids proper gun handling right up there alongside tying your shoes and brushing your teeth. Teach it in K-12 schools. Demystify guns, strip them of their taboo, return them to their proper status as household tools to be handled with respect, not avoided in quivering fear. Trying to suppress the understanding that there are hundreds of millions of guns out there, and always will be, is doing a great injustice to our children, and theirs. The live in a world with guns, and violence, and crazy people, and they need to learning how to function in it... not how to sigh emotionally and volley gumdrop legislation back and forth between parties until the public again loses interest. That all starts with the parents. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 5:12:21 AM EDT
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As a parent, it saddens me greatly whenever I hear of these lunatics shooting up a school. I know many of us here are not just proud gun owners but also deeply loving parents. There is no greater tragedy then to lose a child to senseless violence. This awful trend of school violence needs to be dealt with. "No compromise, from my cold dead hands", yeah I get it but at the end of the day, that doesn't solve anything and doesn't address the issue. What say the hive? liberals want us dead. Not one more inch! No compromise! Never give up your guns! Close all schools because they are unsafe and terrorist targets. Homeschool and private school is the answer. or Arm the teachers and harden the schools. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 7:15:59 AM EDT
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Site staff has been letting the troll accounts run wild.
And OP is a very defensive one with that sleeper account. lol |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 7:48:01 AM EDT
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Sleeper account? That's a first. Ok some predictable F off, not my problem responses. Great, very macho of you. The question was not being posed to basement dwellers but to those with school aged children who have imagined the unimaginable pain these parents must be going through. All I was stating was that the adults in the room and responsible gun owners need to be part of the solution. At the end of the day, our unalienable right... Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, outweighs your bravado and some mentally unstable's "right" to guns. I don't know what the answer but I think it should be up to us gunowners to ponder the issue more than just macho sound bites. Go back and tell your handlers you failed. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 7:50:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/19/2018 8:27:49 AM EDT
[#29]
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As a parent, it saddens me greatly whenever I hear of these lunatics shooting up a school. I know many of us here are not just proud gun owners but also deeply loving parents. There is no greater tragedy then to lose a child to senseless violence. This awful trend of school violence needs to be dealt with. "No compromise, from my cold dead hands", yeah I get it but at the end of the day, that doesn't solve anything and doesn't address the issue. What say the hive? But we need to do something about guns? Piss off. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 8:35:57 AM EDT
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Agreed. I personally think this hard ass “over my dead body” routine is going to cost us dearly. Trump’s approval is in the toilet as is the Republican Party. I could see an enhanced AWB coming back (no sunset this time).
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Posted: 2/19/2018 8:47:03 AM EDT
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If more parents would actually raise their kids....instead of letting ipads raise their kids, I think this country would be a better place.
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Posted: 2/19/2018 9:11:24 AM EDT
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No, all gun owners, and for that matter, all citizens do not "need" to be part of the solution.
School security begins at home with parents talking to and teaching their kids about the realities of the world we live in. Pull your heads out of your asses, or wine bottles, mom and dad. School security is the responsibility of the school, the school district, and surrounding community. It is not the responsibility of people living 1,000 miles away. Stop crying for help that someone pays for. And there it is. Everyone wants utopia, but expects the whole effing country to pay for it. YOU figure out what YOUR needs are and YOU pay for it. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 9:13:12 AM EDT
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Agreed. I personally think this hard ass "over my dead body" routine is going to cost us dearly. Trump's approval is in the toilet as is the Republican Party. I could see an enhanced AWB coming back (no sunset this time). 
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Posted: 2/19/2018 9:35:57 AM EDT
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1. Fuck anyone who wants to restrict my rights. 2. Dozens of solutions that don't involve restricting our rights have been proposed already.  /
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Posted: 2/19/2018 9:38:20 AM EDT
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Agreed. I personally think this hard ass “over my dead body” routine is going to cost us dearly. Trump’s approval is in the toilet as is the Republican Party. I could see an enhanced AWB coming back (no sunset this time). btw quisling, Trump's numbers have always been "low", but he managed to get elected over your gal. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 9:44:09 AM EDT
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As a parent, it saddens me greatly whenever I hear of these lunatics shooting up a school. I know many of us here are not just proud gun owners but also deeply loving parents. There is no greater tragedy then to lose a child to senseless violence. This awful trend of school violence needs to be dealt with. "No compromise, from my cold dead hands", yeah I get it but at the end of the day, that doesn't solve anything and doesn't address the issue. What say the hive? |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 9:46:39 AM EDT
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More gun laws are not the answer. More taxes on me to pay for other people's kids education and security is not the answer. How about parents that chose to have kids deal with the kid's issue. That is the problem. A percentage of parents haven't taught and monitored the behavior of their kids. Make parents responsible for raising their offspring.
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Posted: 2/19/2018 9:51:41 AM EDT
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sapper in the wire
Correction: sappers in the wire |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 9:57:24 AM EDT
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Sleeper account? That's a first. Ok some predictable F off, not my problem responses. Great, very macho of you. The question was not being posed to basement dwellers but to those with school aged children who have imagined the unimaginable pain these parents must be going through. All I was stating was that the adults in the room and responsible gun owners need to be part of the solution. At the end of the day, our unalienable right... Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, outweighs your bravado and some mentally unstable's "right" to guns. I don't know what the answer but I think it should be up to us gunowners to ponder the issue more than just macho sound bites. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 9:57:32 AM EDT
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Agreed. I personally think this hard ass “over my dead body” routine is going to cost us dearly. Trump’s approval is in the toilet as is the Republican Party. I could see an enhanced AWB coming back (no sunset this time). I can see this mass murder fading in interest as the Black Panther and the NBA All Star game give way to Oscar talk. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 10:00:09 AM EDT
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Easiest solution is to have an armed guard(s) stationed at schools. Contrary to what some say, the kids will not be traumatized when they see a good guy w/ a gun especially when the kid knows that good guy is there to protect them
Or everyone could home school I'll take the first option Hell, I would gladly volunteer my time to patrol the local school |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 10:28:13 AM EDT
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FIREARMS RESTRICTIONS WILL NOT STOP SOMEONE INTENT ON KILLING.
These shooters seek out places where they can kill large numbers of people so they can become famous. The media jumps at the chance to plaster their name and face for all to see giving these murderers what they want so desperately. I wonder how many of these shootings there would be if the nobody would every hear of these killers. End Gun-Free Zones and give people a chance to defend themselves. Stop making these murderers famous. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 10:45:21 AM EDT
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As a parent, it saddens me greatly whenever I hear of these lunatics shooting up a school. I know many of us here are not just proud gun owners but also deeply loving parents. There is no greater tragedy then to lose a child to senseless violence. This awful trend of school violence needs to be dealt with. "No compromise, from my cold dead hands", yeah I get it but at the end of the day, that doesn't solve anything and doesn't address the issue. What say the hive? bye. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 11:05:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/19/2018 11:07:18 AM EDT
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man that's a old ass sleeper account.. Now much did it cost shareblue? |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 11:09:43 AM EDT
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Agreed. I personally think this hard ass “over my dead body” routine is going to cost us dearly. Trump’s approval is in the toilet as is the Republican Party. I could see an enhanced AWB coming back (no sunset this time). Tell your handlers it won’t work here. |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 11:09:55 AM EDT
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1. Fuck anyone who wants to restrict my rights 2. Dozens of solutions that don't involve restricting our rights have been proposed already |
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Posted: 2/19/2018 11:10:54 AM EDT
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Raise your kids right. That's my solution.
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Posted: 2/19/2018 11:13:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryDamn
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Posted: 2/19/2018 11:14:17 AM EDT
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I posted this in another thread that died right after;
These things have happened before, but that doesn't make it OK to accept it happening now. Free societies are going to have violence, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't make efforts to prevent it. We have the Constitutionally guaranteed, God granted right to keep and bear arms. Unfortunately that same right can be abused by terrible people in even more terrible ways, therefore we must take precautions against those people without infringing on ANY of our rights. I personally have no idea what the answer is. I don't think there is one blanket one. I think it does behoove our community to keep trying to find answers and to try to prevent these things from happening. I do not believe that we need to give any more ground away to keep our rights - we've given plenty away already - but we do need to admit to ourselves that protecting innocent lives is not only the very reason for those rights to exist, it's the most important of our rights. We're not being allowed to use those very guaranteed rights to do the jobs they were intended for and that's just plain wrong. Instead of fighting to keep our rights, we should be fighting to utilize them as God intended and the Constitution enumerates. |
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