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Posted: 2/18/2018 1:45:57 AM EDT
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Ties back to their 2013 policy where they don't report troubled youth to LE. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is yet another wrinkle. Administrators at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School recommended back in January 2017 that the school board conduct a "threat assessment" on Nikolas Cruz to determine if he was a danger to the school and its students, according to documents exclusively obtained by Local 10 News. Evidently, the board never conducted the assessment. And is now in full cover-up mode. Broward County Public Schools Superintendent Robert Runcie said Thursday, however, that the school board had no clue of the danger that lurked in the former student. "We received no warning, no hints, no tips," Runcie said. "There was no warning that we saw." Disgusting. https://www.local10.com/news/parkland-school-shooting/school-considered-shooting-suspect-potential-threat-year-before-massacre -School administration asks for threat assessment on problem student, and school board follows their policy by not notifying police. -Year passes and then the student in question shoots up the school. -"It's the gun's fault! It's the NRA's fault!" IF anybody is active on social media (facebook, tweeter, whatever), they need to spread this around, so people can direct their anger at the school board's decisions that contributed to this. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 2:01:46 AM EDT
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“If Coach Feis had had his firearm in school that day, I believe that he most likely could’ve stopped the threat,” Haab asserted.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/17/student-florida-shooting-coach-gun/ Damn those South Florida RINOS 
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Posted: 2/18/2018 2:40:01 AM EDT
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Multiple States to Arm Teachers
Currently about one-third of states allow teachers to carry firearms on campus, but Education Secretary Betsy DeVos recently said all schools “clearly have the opportunity and the option” to arm teachers... https://www.thewashingtonpundit.com/blank-1/2018/02/17/Multiple-States-to-Arm-Teachers This is the only answer. Israel has proven its effectiveness. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 2:45:57 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/18/2018 3:29:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/18/2018 3:39:31 AM EDT
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Betsy DeVos recently said all schools “clearly have the opportunity and the option” to arm teachers... 
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Posted: 2/18/2018 3:46:22 AM EDT
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Ummm. I'm not sure that helps our side. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Ummm. I'm not sure that helps our side. Prominent Republican Donor Issues Ultimatum on Assault Weapons Will only fund Pro AWB GOP As I have said.... The Republican party is not gun-friendly. They use the Second Amendment as a carrot to dangle in front of us to garner votes and nothing else. Better political Capital would be spent on Nationwide Reciprocity for concealed-carry permits. Look how well that's going. No ads from the NRA about it. Nothing to whip up the public to support it and put pressure on elected officials. No hashtag campaigns on Twitter and Facebook. Nothing. The GOP is happy with the Status Quo and so is the NRA for the most part. And I guarantee you that there are GOP politicians chomping on the bit to push gun control. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 3:48:34 AM EDT
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"If Coach Feis had had his firearm in school that day, I believe that he most likely could've stopped the threat," Haab asserted. http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/17/student-florida-shooting-coach-gun/ Damn those South Florida RINOS |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 3:54:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah Where is he going with this? |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 5:13:11 AM EDT
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They're really cranking down the screws on gun control for this one. People need to stay woke.
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Posted: 2/18/2018 5:47:28 AM EDT
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Ties back to their 2013 policy where they don't report troubled youth to LE. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 6:14:46 AM EDT
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Ummm. I'm not sure that helps our side. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 6:23:43 AM EDT
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Anitere Flores and her ilk blocked campus carry. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"If Coach Feis had had his firearm in school that day, I believe that he most likely could've stopped the threat," Haab asserted. http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/17/student-florida-shooting-coach-gun/ Damn those South Florida RINOS Yes, the fbi screwed up by not following up on two or three complaints about Cruz. But the biggest failure occurred at the local level. Broward County School Board and the Sheriff’s office failed their community. The school board by not notifying law enforcement about violent criminal acts of students. BCSO Responded at least 39 times to Cruz’s house, complaints ranging from mentally disturbed, elder abuse, domestic violence, missing persons, and nothing was done and no reports were taken. And then there is the state who denied the people the tools of which they could protect themselves with. Make them wear this bloody albatross around their necks. THEY DID THIS... THEY DID THIS... THEY DID THIS!!! Call them out by name and don’t give them a moments rest. Run them to ground until they have no ground to go to. Hold them accountable for their deliberate actions and make an example out of each and every one. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 6:52:17 AM EDT
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Those useful idiots, need to turn the idiot box off. 3,000 abortions a day in the US. 2016 Nice, France 87 Dead from a fucking truck 168 Dead in the Oklahoma City Bombing. 2,974 confirmed dead in 911 Assault pressure cookers used in the Boston Marathon bombing All of those incidents have something in common. They have nothing to do with firearms, but everything to do with mental choices. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 7:44:45 AM EDT
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This is a response to all those kids to understand our current laws. CNN needs to shut the fuck up and stop pushing fake news In the wake of the Florida school shooting, CNN sent out the following Tweets from their verified account . . . http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/1518783005231285239520.png Really CNN? Really? In Florida we don't need a conceal weapons permit to conceal carry any long guns? As a resident of the Sunshine State and a member of the Law Enforcement Community, I can assure you that this is what's called fake news. Florida State Statue Chapter 790 covers our firearm related laws. Hey CNN, I cannot as a Floridian carry a rifle or shotgun concealed without a concealed weapons permit. There is a reason it is called a CONCEALED WEAPON OR FIREARM LICENSE. It applies to all the firearms we can legally own except for antiques and even then if used in the commission of a crime you still violate the law. I can't carry my AR-15 or Remington 870 concealed without a permit, period. And just to clarify any other misconceptions CNN might have. I can't open carry any firearm unless I am actually doing one of the very few defined activities that Florida allows me to do to open carry. I can't even have a gun in the car that is within reach unless I have a permit. As for CNN's other lies . . . Florida does not require a permit or license to own or purchase a firearm. But Florida does require a mandatory background check that goes through the Florida Department of Law Enforcement's Firearm Purchase Program for every gun purchased from a gun store in the state. Also Federal law and the ATF dictates through the Gun Control Act of 1986 that all federal firearms licensees (FFLs) to "report multiple sales or other dispositions of handguns to the same purchaser & the sale or disposition of two or more handguns must be reported if they occur at the same time, or within five consecutive business days of each other." So that is the reason why Florida has no law on multiple purchases because the Federal Government already dictates to every gun shop in Florida that multiple purchases must be reported to law enforcement. Straight from FDLE themselves; It runs every purchase through the Florida Crime Information Center (FCIC) and the National Crime Information Center (NCIC). It is actually more rigorous than the FBI's National instant Criminal background Check System (NICS). On top of all that, Florida law and state constitution requires a mandatory 3 day waiting period that each county can augment by 5 days. Broward County has a 5 day waiting period for all gun purchases per county ordinance 18-96. Waiting period; prohibition and Cruz was under the age of 21. Which meant he couldn't qualify for a Concealed Carry Permit and skip the waiting period. So he actually had to wait the 5 days to acquire his rifle. Additionally, 790.06 License to carry concealed weapon or firearm covers the full gamut of what requirements are needed to get a Concealed Carry Permit and I need to summarize it because the list is too long for this article. But suffice to say, being 21 or older, going to a certified training course, not being a felon, and not having mental issues are a few of the things that one would need to get a permit. So that means that the gun store that sold the rifle Nikolas Cruz followed every law on the books. But once again, CNN is attempting to make gold out of straw. Because it has been proven time and time again that the systems that the gun grabbers push aren't as fool proof as they claim like the case of when the United States Air Force failed to enter the killer's information into NCIC/NCIS system or when the FBI admitted that they were warned of Nikolas and did nothing. Hey CNN, if you're going to produce Grade A manure. How about you sell it next to all the other fertilizer sold in the Home & Garden sections instead of claiming it is factual news. Quote HistoryQuoted:
This is a response to all those kids to understand our current laws. CNN needs to shut the fuck up and stop pushing fake news In the wake of the Florida school shooting, CNN sent out the following Tweets from their verified account . . . http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/1518783005231285239520.png Really CNN? Really? In Florida we don't need a conceal weapons permit to conceal carry any long guns? As a resident of the Sunshine State and a member of the Law Enforcement Community, I can assure you that this is what's called fake news. Florida State Statue Chapter 790 covers our firearm related laws. 790.001 Definitions.
1)"Antique firearm" means any firearm manufactured in or before 1918 (including any matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar early type of ignition system) or replica thereof, whether actually manufactured before or after the year 1918, and also any firearm using fixed ammunition manufactured in or before 1918, for which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade. (2)"Concealed firearm" means any firearm, as defined in subsection (6), which is carried on or about a person in such a manner as to conceal the firearm from the ordinary sight of another person. (3)(a)"Concealed weapon" means any dirk, metallic knuckles, billie, tear gas gun, chemical weapon or device, or other deadly weapon carried on or about a person in such a manner as to conceal the weapon from the ordinary sight of another person. (6)"Firearm" means any weapon (including a starter gun) which will, is designed to, or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; the frame or receiver of any such weapon; any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; any destructive device; or any machine gun. The term "firearm" does not include an antique firearm unless the antique firearm is used in the commission of a crime. (9)"Machine gun" means any firearm, as defined herein, which shoots, or is designed to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manually reloading, by a single function of the trigger. 790.01 Unlicensed carrying of concealed weapons or concealed firearms. (2)Except as provided in subsection (3), a person who is not licensed under s. 790.06 and who carries a concealed firearm on or about his or her person commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. 790.06 License to carry concealed weapon or firearm. (1)The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services is authorized to issue licenses to carry concealed weapons or concealed firearms to persons qualified as provided in this section. Each such license must bear a color photograph of the licensee. For the purposes of this section, concealed weapons or concealed firearms are defined as a handgun, electronic weapon or device, tear gas gun, knife, or billie, but the term does not include a machine gun as defined in s. 790.001(9). Such licenses shall be valid throughout the state for a period of 7 years from the date of issuance. Any person in compliance with the terms of such license may carry a concealed weapon or concealed firearm notwithstanding the provisions of s. 790.01. It applies to all the firearms we can legally own except for antiques and even then if used in the commission of a crime you still violate the law. I can't carry my AR-15 or Remington 870 concealed without a permit, period. And just to clarify any other misconceptions CNN might have. 790.001 Definitions.
(17)"Securely encased" means in a glove compartment, whether or not locked; snapped in a holster; in a gun case, whether or not locked; in a zippered gun case; or in a closed box or container which requires a lid or cover to be opened for access. 790.053 Open carrying of weapons. (1)Except as otherwise provided by law and in subsection (2), it is unlawful for any person to openly carry on or about his or her person any firearm or electric weapon or device. It is not a violation of this section for a person licensed to carry a concealed firearm as provided in s. 790.06(1), and who is lawfully carrying a firearm in a concealed manner, to briefly and openly display the firearm to the ordinary sight of another person, unless the firearm is intentionally displayed in an angry or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense. (2)A person may openly carry, for purposes of lawful self-defense: (a)A self-defense chemical spray. (b)A nonlethal stun gun or dart-firing stun gun or other nonlethal electric weapon or device that is designed solely for defensive purposes. (3)Any person violating this section commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. As for CNN's other lies . . . Florida does not require a permit or license to own or purchase a firearm. But Florida does require a mandatory background check that goes through the Florida Department of Law Enforcement's Firearm Purchase Program for every gun purchased from a gun store in the state. Also Federal law and the ATF dictates through the Gun Control Act of 1986 that all federal firearms licensees (FFLs) to "report multiple sales or other dispositions of handguns to the same purchaser & the sale or disposition of two or more handguns must be reported if they occur at the same time, or within five consecutive business days of each other." So that is the reason why Florida has no law on multiple purchases because the Federal Government already dictates to every gun shop in Florida that multiple purchases must be reported to law enforcement. Straight from FDLE themselves; The Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) Firearm Purchase Program began operations in 1991, as authorized by F.S. 790.065, which was enacted in 1989 and amended in 1990 by the Florida Legislature. F.S. 790.065 furthered the purposes of the federal Gun Control Act of 1968 (Title 18 U.S.C., Sections 921-929), with respect to regulating the sale and delivery of firearms by licensed firearm dealers to persons who are not licensed firearm dealers. On November 30, 1993, The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Title 18 U.S.C. Section 922(t), was passed by Congress. The interim version of this law became effective February 28, 1994, with the permanent version taking effect on November 30, 1998. The Brady Act requires all federal firearm licensees to conduct criminal background checks before selling or transferring a firearm to a non-licensed individual. In Florida, the FDLE Firearm Purchase Program implements the Brady Act at the state level. On top of all that, Florida law and state constitution requires a mandatory 3 day waiting period that each county can augment by 5 days. Article I Section 8. Right to bear arms (b)There shall be a mandatory period of three days, excluding weekends and legal holidays, between the purchase and delivery at retail of any handgun. For the purposes of this section, "purchase" means the transfer of money or other valuable consideration to the retailer, and "handgun" means a firearm capable of being carried and used by one hand, such as a pistol or revolver. Holders of a concealed weapon permit as prescribed in Florida law shall not be subject to the provisions of this paragraph. Article VIII Section 5. Local option (b)Each county shall have the authority to require a criminal history records check and a 3 to 5-day waiting period, excluding weekends and legal holidays, in connection with the sale of any firearm occurring within such county. For purposes of this subsection, the term "sale" means the transfer of money or other valuable consideration for any firearm when any part of the transaction is conducted on property to which the public has the right of access. Holders of a concealed weapons permit as prescribed by general law shall not be subject to the provisions of this subsection when purchasing a firearm. Additionally, 790.06 License to carry concealed weapon or firearm covers the full gamut of what requirements are needed to get a Concealed Carry Permit and I need to summarize it because the list is too long for this article. But suffice to say, being 21 or older, going to a certified training course, not being a felon, and not having mental issues are a few of the things that one would need to get a permit. So that means that the gun store that sold the rifle Nikolas Cruz followed every law on the books. But once again, CNN is attempting to make gold out of straw. Because it has been proven time and time again that the systems that the gun grabbers push aren't as fool proof as they claim like the case of when the United States Air Force failed to enter the killer's information into NCIC/NCIS system or when the FBI admitted that they were warned of Nikolas and did nothing. Hey CNN, if you're going to produce Grade A manure. How about you sell it next to all the other fertilizer sold in the Home & Garden sections instead of claiming it is factual news. Any issues with me citing all or parts of your post in future discussions? Quoted:
Add in the 1927 Bath School Massacre/Disaster in Bath Michigan 44 killed by dynamite. The deadliest intentional school killing. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 8:11:23 AM EDT
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Thanks for the write up @Miami_JBT Any issues with me citing all or parts of your post in future discussions? Wasn't there a fire/arson that killed more than 100 at a school? Or was that not in the US? I should edit New Bath was the deadliest intentional school killing in the US. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 8:52:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Discount classes for teachers at BW? 
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Posted: 2/18/2018 9:09:20 AM EDT
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Do you have a link to a credible article supporting that? All I have seen around are numbers confirming that murders remained about the same, meaning people found other ways to keep killing. However, nothing confirming mass murders remaining the same. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: I have been thinking about that line of thought throughout today. It certainly makes some sense after reading one poster's dealings with a G-F and her son. Another story crossed my mind as well. For a while, my wife was friends with this mother who had two children adopted from Eastern Europe [I believe, but could be wrong that the children were from Russia]. The daughter seemed normal. But, then my wife told me about the son. The son was uncontrollable. The mother had all sorts of counselors to try to work with him, but none could make any headway. The final straw came when one called the mother from her car after picking the son up for another session. The boy had taken his belt off, had it wrapped around the neck of the counselor, and was CHOKING the shit out of her from the backseat of the car. And, this boy was no more than 5 at the time. After that, she had the son "taken away" but went into no further detail. The point that I am trying to drive home is no matter what laws we pass, what we try to ban, or what we do to prevent these tragedies from happening. There are those who are "wired wrong in the head". Liberals think that these individuals can be redeemed, but they cannot. And if they can't be redeemed, then we all have to give up our liberties in an effort to control their actions. But, that isn't going happen either. The Liberals love to point out the success of Australian gun laws and how effective it has been. USA Today was practically calling for such a ban in Friday's paper. But, I reached the "success" last year; think of it as "Know thy enemy" as I certainly do NOT support such a ban. While, no one can deny that the murder rate per capita involving guns dropped since they started confiscating them, that is wheree the Left stops. The full story comes out when you have to look at the overall murder rate. First, it has never been as high as the US - never much higher than 2 murders per 100K and averaging around 1.5 murders per 100k. But, the rate had started to drop BEFORE 1996, and the rate of decline remained the same AFTER their ban than before. And, this isn't from some gun rag but their own statistics. In comparison, our murder rate per capita was 7.4 and 1996 and had fallen to 5.3 in 2016. In other words, we have seen as STEEPER decrease in the murder rate without banning guns than Australia has by banning guns. The Left can call for bans all they want, but it isn't going stop those who want to murder from murdering. The boy at the top of my post can easily be one of those "dangers to society", just like Cruz was. They are the sociopaths of the world. They may be highly functional and have a high mental capacity, but they have a fundamental lack of regard for human life. And, no amount of drugs, counseling etc. will likely overcome that. Yes, there is a mental aspect to the tragedy, as others before it. But, we as a Nation are going have to figure out a way of protecting ourselves from this segment of the population. We also need to figure out why there is apparently a growing number in our Nation which isn't seen in other parts of the World. Of course, they'll tell you it was effective. They'll define "mass shootings" so it only includes the Port Arthur Massacre. Just like Everytown defines "school shooting" as any time a gun is discharged anywhere on school grounds. Done dirt cheap Neckties, contracts, high voltage Done dirt cheap
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Posted: 2/18/2018 9:32:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/18/2018 9:37:37 AM EDT
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The Q/anon/chan shit is so tired.
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Posted: 2/18/2018 9:48:17 AM EDT
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Ferpa like Hippa is a real law. I can see where they would make such policies in order to avoid the appearance of non compliance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ties back to their 2013 policy where they don't report troubled youth to LE. The school board adopted a policy of protecting juvenile criminals, in order to improve the school's performance statistics. It's similar to a college that bends over backwards to prevent rapes being reported, so that they can tell parents of prospective students that they have had no rapes on their campus. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 9:51:20 AM EDT
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The Q/anon/chan shit is so tired. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 10:38:19 AM EDT
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This is a good article whose author makes several good points.
https://mystudentapt.com/2015/10/06/theres-a-way-to-stop-mass-shootings-and-you-wont-like-it/ Of course, expecting the MSM and liberals to understand them is a different story. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 11:00:25 AM EDT
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This is a good article whose author makes several good points. https://mystudentapt.com/2015/10/06/theres-a-way-to-stop-mass-shootings-and-you-wont-like-it/ Of course, expecting the MSM and liberals to understand them is a different story. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 11:23:35 AM EDT
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Add in the 1927 Bath School Massacre/Disaster in Bath Michigan 44 killed by dynamite. The deadliest intentional US school killing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those useful idiots, need to turn the idiot box off. 3,000 abortions a day in the US. 2016 Nice, France 87 Dead from a fucking truck 168 Dead in the Oklahoma City Bombing. 2,974 confirmed dead in 911 Assault pressure cookers used in the Boston Marathon bombing All of those incidents have something in common. They have nothing to do with firearms, but everything to do with mental choices. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 12:48:18 PM EDT
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Thanks for the write up @Miami_JBT Any issues with me citing all or parts of your post in future discussions? Wasn't there a fire/arson that killed more than 100 at a school? Or was that not in the US? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is a response to all those kids to understand our current laws. CNN needs to shut the fuck up and stop pushing fake news In the wake of the Florida school shooting, CNN sent out the following Tweets from their verified account . . . http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/1518783005231285239520.png Really CNN? Really? In Florida we don't need a conceal weapons permit to conceal carry any long guns? As a resident of the Sunshine State and a member of the Law Enforcement Community, I can assure you that this is what's called fake news. Florida State Statue Chapter 790 covers our firearm related laws. 790.001 Definitions.
1)"Antique firearm" means any firearm manufactured in or before 1918 (including any matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar early type of ignition system) or replica thereof, whether actually manufactured before or after the year 1918, and also any firearm using fixed ammunition manufactured in or before 1918, for which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade. (2)"Concealed firearm" means any firearm, as defined in subsection (6), which is carried on or about a person in such a manner as to conceal the firearm from the ordinary sight of another person. (3)(a)"Concealed weapon" means any dirk, metallic knuckles, billie, tear gas gun, chemical weapon or device, or other deadly weapon carried on or about a person in such a manner as to conceal the weapon from the ordinary sight of another person. (6)"Firearm" means any weapon (including a starter gun) which will, is designed to, or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; the frame or receiver of any such weapon; any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; any destructive device; or any machine gun. The term "firearm" does not include an antique firearm unless the antique firearm is used in the commission of a crime. (9)"Machine gun" means any firearm, as defined herein, which shoots, or is designed to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manually reloading, by a single function of the trigger. 790.01 Unlicensed carrying of concealed weapons or concealed firearms. (2)Except as provided in subsection (3), a person who is not licensed under s. 790.06 and who carries a concealed firearm on or about his or her person commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. 790.06 License to carry concealed weapon or firearm. (1)The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services is authorized to issue licenses to carry concealed weapons or concealed firearms to persons qualified as provided in this section. Each such license must bear a color photograph of the licensee. For the purposes of this section, concealed weapons or concealed firearms are defined as a handgun, electronic weapon or device, tear gas gun, knife, or billie, but the term does not include a machine gun as defined in s. 790.001(9). Such licenses shall be valid throughout the state for a period of 7 years from the date of issuance. Any person in compliance with the terms of such license may carry a concealed weapon or concealed firearm notwithstanding the provisions of s. 790.01. It applies to all the firearms we can legally own except for antiques and even then if used in the commission of a crime you still violate the law. I can't carry my AR-15 or Remington 870 concealed without a permit, period. And just to clarify any other misconceptions CNN might have. 790.001 Definitions.
(17)"Securely encased" means in a glove compartment, whether or not locked; snapped in a holster; in a gun case, whether or not locked; in a zippered gun case; or in a closed box or container which requires a lid or cover to be opened for access. 790.053 Open carrying of weapons. (1)Except as otherwise provided by law and in subsection (2), it is unlawful for any person to openly carry on or about his or her person any firearm or electric weapon or device. It is not a violation of this section for a person licensed to carry a concealed firearm as provided in s. 790.06(1), and who is lawfully carrying a firearm in a concealed manner, to briefly and openly display the firearm to the ordinary sight of another person, unless the firearm is intentionally displayed in an angry or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense. (2)A person may openly carry, for purposes of lawful self-defense: (a)A self-defense chemical spray. (b)A nonlethal stun gun or dart-firing stun gun or other nonlethal electric weapon or device that is designed solely for defensive purposes. (3)Any person violating this section commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. As for CNN's other lies . . . Florida does not require a permit or license to own or purchase a firearm. But Florida does require a mandatory background check that goes through the Florida Department of Law Enforcement's Firearm Purchase Program for every gun purchased from a gun store in the state. Also Federal law and the ATF dictates through the Gun Control Act of 1986 that all federal firearms licensees (FFLs) to "report multiple sales or other dispositions of handguns to the same purchaser & the sale or disposition of two or more handguns must be reported if they occur at the same time, or within five consecutive business days of each other." So that is the reason why Florida has no law on multiple purchases because the Federal Government already dictates to every gun shop in Florida that multiple purchases must be reported to law enforcement. Straight from FDLE themselves; The Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) Firearm Purchase Program began operations in 1991, as authorized by F.S. 790.065, which was enacted in 1989 and amended in 1990 by the Florida Legislature. F.S. 790.065 furthered the purposes of the federal Gun Control Act of 1968 (Title 18 U.S.C., Sections 921-929), with respect to regulating the sale and delivery of firearms by licensed firearm dealers to persons who are not licensed firearm dealers. On November 30, 1993, The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Title 18 U.S.C. Section 922(t), was passed by Congress. The interim version of this law became effective February 28, 1994, with the permanent version taking effect on November 30, 1998. The Brady Act requires all federal firearm licensees to conduct criminal background checks before selling or transferring a firearm to a non-licensed individual. In Florida, the FDLE Firearm Purchase Program implements the Brady Act at the state level. On top of all that, Florida law and state constitution requires a mandatory 3 day waiting period that each county can augment by 5 days. Article I Section 8. Right to bear arms (b)There shall be a mandatory period of three days, excluding weekends and legal holidays, between the purchase and delivery at retail of any handgun. For the purposes of this section, "purchase" means the transfer of money or other valuable consideration to the retailer, and "handgun" means a firearm capable of being carried and used by one hand, such as a pistol or revolver. Holders of a concealed weapon permit as prescribed in Florida law shall not be subject to the provisions of this paragraph. Article VIII Section 5. Local option (b)Each county shall have the authority to require a criminal history records check and a 3 to 5-day waiting period, excluding weekends and legal holidays, in connection with the sale of any firearm occurring within such county. For purposes of this subsection, the term "sale" means the transfer of money or other valuable consideration for any firearm when any part of the transaction is conducted on property to which the public has the right of access. Holders of a concealed weapons permit as prescribed by general law shall not be subject to the provisions of this subsection when purchasing a firearm. Additionally, 790.06 License to carry concealed weapon or firearm covers the full gamut of what requirements are needed to get a Concealed Carry Permit and I need to summarize it because the list is too long for this article. But suffice to say, being 21 or older, going to a certified training course, not being a felon, and not having mental issues are a few of the things that one would need to get a permit. So that means that the gun store that sold the rifle Nikolas Cruz followed every law on the books. But once again, CNN is attempting to make gold out of straw. Because it has been proven time and time again that the systems that the gun grabbers push aren't as fool proof as they claim like the case of when the United States Air Force failed to enter the killer's information into NCIC/NCIS system or when the FBI admitted that they were warned of Nikolas and did nothing. Hey CNN, if you're going to produce Grade A manure. How about you sell it next to all the other fertilizer sold in the Home & Garden sections instead of claiming it is factual news. Any issues with me citing all or parts of your post in future discussions? Quoted:
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Posted: 2/18/2018 1:09:13 PM EDT
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This is a good article whose author makes several good points. https://mystudentapt.com/2015/10/06/theres-a-way-to-stop-mass-shootings-and-you-wont-like-it/ Of course, expecting the MSM and liberals to understand them is a different story. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 1:22:48 PM EDT
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I also went through some of them. They are an interesting sample of the wide range (from smart to doorknob stupid) specimens we find in our society presently. Also shows we have a very long way before fixing anything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is a good article whose author makes several good points. https://mystudentapt.com/2015/10/06/theres-a-way-to-stop-mass-shootings-and-you-wont-like-it/ Of course, expecting the MSM and liberals to understand them is a different story. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 1:53:34 PM EDT
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This is a good article whose author makes several good points. https://mystudentapt.com/2015/10/06/theres-a-way-to-stop-mass-shootings-and-you-wont-like-it/ Of course, expecting the MSM and liberals to understand them is a different story. Of all the mass shootings in recent history, I can only think of a few that were perpetrated by what most would consider to be "social outcasts." Didn't this Cruz kid have a good enough friend that actually asked his parents/allowed him to stay at his house after his adopted mother died? Some people are just broken mentally and no amount of buddying up to them is going to fix it. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 2:03:35 PM EDT
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Do you have a link to a credible article supporting that? All I have seen around are numbers confirming that murders remained about the same, meaning people found other ways to keep killing. However, nothing confirming mass murders remaining the same. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Australian gun ban was NOT a success. There have been more mass shootings in Australia in the 19 years since the ban than the 19 years before the ban. Of course, they'll tell you it was effective. They'll define "mass shootings" so it only includes the Port Arthur Massacre. Just like Everytown defines "school shooting" as any time a gun is discharged anywhere on school grounds. Quoted:
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The Australian gun ban was NOT a success. There have been more mass shootings in Australia in the 19 years since the ban than the 19 years before the ban. I organized them by date, killed/wounded, and the type of massacre. Mass killings in Australia: 1/20/17 6k/30w car attack 12/19/14 8k/1w stabbing 12/15/14 3k shooting 9/9/14 5k shooting 9/4/14 3k/2w arson 11/18/11 11k arson 4/29/11 3k/3w shooting 7/18/09 5k blunt instrument 2/7/09 10k arson 10/21/02 2k/5w shooting 6/23/00 15k arson 6/28/97 5k murder/suicide 4/28/96 35k/24w shooting (Port Arthur) 1/25/96 6k shooting 10/27/92 6k shooting 8/17/91 7k shooting 8/30/90 5k/7w shooting 9/25/88 6k shooting 12/8/87 8k shooting 10/10/87 5k shooting 8/9/87 7k shooting 6/1/84 5k shooting 9/24/81 5k shooting The format of those got a bit messed up, but I think you can still figure out what's what. Since we're only interested in "mass killings" or "mass shootings" then we can leave out things like multi-day crime sprees, and gang-on-gang violence in which the killed were willing combatants. I've formatted those with strikethroughs. In the same time period (22 years) since the Port Arthur Massacre as before it, there were 4 mass shootings afterward, as opposed to 10 before. Let's look at numbers. 60 killed before Port Arthur in mass shootings, and only 13 killed in mass shootings afterward. But, really, are you any less dead if you're killed with a knife or a car or a firebomb? Let's look at total killed in mass attacks, including arson, stabbings, and car attacks. Before Port Arthur: 60 killed After Port Arthur: 76 killed Interestingly enough, most of the "mass shootings" before Port Arthur were murder/suicides where someone killed their entire family and then committed suicide, mostly within the family home. This doesn't really count as a "mass shooting" because it doesn't happen in public. It's not what people think of when you say "mass shooting." So let's look at that list with the irrelevant items removed. 1/20/17 6k/30w car attack 12/15/14 3k shooting 9/4/14 3k/2w arson 11/18/11 11k arson 4/29/11 3k/3w shooting 2/7/09 10k arson 10/21/02 2k/5w shooting 6/23/00 15k arson 4/28/96 35k/24w shooting (Port Arthur) 8/17/91 7k shooting 8/30/90 5k/7w shooting 12/8/87 8k shooting 8/9/87 7k shooting Just public mass shooting attacks: four before, and three after Port Arthur. Before Port Arthur: 27 killed After Port Arthur: 8 killed All mass public attacks: Before Port Arthur: 27 killed After Port Arthur: 53 killed So, although casualties from mass shootings went down, there were nearly twice as many people killed in public mass attacks in the 22 years since the Port Arthur gun ban than in the 22 years before. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 2:46:27 PM EDT
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Good analysis! I might steal it.
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Posted: 2/18/2018 2:57:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: -Adopts policy of not notifying police of problems with students. -School administration asks for threat assessment on problem student, and school board follows their policy by not notifying police. -Year passes and then the student in question shoots up the school. -"It's the gun's fault! It's the NRA's fault!" IF anybody is active on social media (facebook, tweeter, whatever), they need to spread this around, so people can direct their anger at the school board's decisions that contributed to this. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 3:23:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember reading an article about this, late last year, but I apparently misremembered exactly what it had said. Google is no help finding the article I had read since it suppresses search results that go against their political views. However, I did go through the wikipedia list of massacres in Australia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia I organized them by date, killed/wounded, and the type of massacre. Mass killings in Australia: 1/20/17 6k/30w car attack 12/19/14 8k/1w stabbing 12/15/14 3k shooting 9/9/14 5k shooting 9/4/14 3k/2w arson 11/18/11 11k arson 4/29/11 3k/3w shooting 7/18/09 5k blunt instrument 2/7/09 10k arson 10/21/02 2k/5w shooting 6/23/00 15k arson 6/28/97 5k murder/suicide 4/28/96 35k/24w shooting (Port Arthur) 1/25/96 6k shooting 10/27/92 6k shooting 8/17/91 7k shooting 8/30/90 5k/7w shooting 9/25/88 6k shooting 12/8/87 8k shooting 10/10/87 5k shooting 8/9/87 7k shooting 6/1/84 5k shooting 9/24/81 5k shooting The format of those got a bit messed up, but I think you can still figure out what's what. Since we're only interested in "mass killings" or "mass shootings" then we can leave out things like multi-day crime sprees, and gang-on-gang violence in which the killed were willing combatants. I've formatted those with strikethroughs. In the same time period (22 years) since the Port Arthur Massacre as before it, there were 4 mass shootings afterward, as opposed to 10 before. Let's look at numbers. 60 killed before Port Arthur in mass shootings, and only 13 killed in mass shootings afterward. But, really, are you any less dead if you're killed with a knife or a car or a firebomb? Let's look at total killed in mass attacks, including arson, stabbings, and car attacks. Before Port Arthur: 60 killed After Port Arthur: 76 killed Interestingly enough, most of the "mass shootings" before Port Arthur were murder/suicides where someone killed their entire family and then committed suicide, mostly within the family home. This doesn't really count as a "mass shooting" because it doesn't happen in public. It's not what people think of when you say "mass shooting." So let's look at that list with the irrelevant items removed. 1/20/17 6k/30w car attack 12/15/14 3k shooting 9/4/14 3k/2w arson 11/18/11 11k arson 4/29/11 3k/3w shooting 2/7/09 10k arson 10/21/02 2k/5w shooting 6/23/00 15k arson 4/28/96 35k/24w shooting (Port Arthur) 8/17/91 7k shooting 8/30/90 5k/7w shooting 12/8/87 8k shooting 8/9/87 7k shooting Just public mass shooting attacks: four before, and three after Port Arthur. Before Port Arthur: 27 killed After Port Arthur: 8 killed All mass public attacks: Before Port Arthur: 27 killed After Port Arthur: 53 killed So, although casualties from mass shootings went down, there were nearly twice as many people killed in public mass attacks in the 22 years since the Port Arthur gun ban than in the 22 years before. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 3:29:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember reading an article about this, late last year, but I apparently misremembered exactly what it had said. Google is no help finding the article I had read since it suppresses search results that go against their political views. However, I did go through the wikipedia list of massacres in Australia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia I organized them by date, killed/wounded, and the type of massacre. Mass killings in Australia: 1/20/17 6k/30w car attack 12/19/14 8k/1w stabbing 12/15/14 3k shooting 9/9/14 5k shooting 9/4/14 3k/2w arson 11/18/11 11k arson 4/29/11 3k/3w shooting 7/18/09 5k blunt instrument 2/7/09 10k arson 10/21/02 2k/5w shooting 6/23/00 15k arson 6/28/97 5k murder/suicide 4/28/96 35k/24w shooting (Port Arthur) 1/25/96 6k shooting 10/27/92 6k shooting 8/17/91 7k shooting 8/30/90 5k/7w shooting 9/25/88 6k shooting 12/8/87 8k shooting 10/10/87 5k shooting 8/9/87 7k shooting 6/1/84 5k shooting 9/24/81 5k shooting The format of those got a bit messed up, but I think you can still figure out what's what. Since we're only interested in "mass killings" or "mass shootings" then we can leave out things like multi-day crime sprees, and gang-on-gang violence in which the killed were willing combatants. I've formatted those with strikethroughs. In the same time period (22 years) since the Port Arthur Massacre as before it, there were 4 mass shootings afterward, as opposed to 10 before. Let's look at numbers. 60 killed before Port Arthur in mass shootings, and only 13 killed in mass shootings afterward. But, really, are you any less dead if you're killed with a knife or a car or a firebomb? Let's look at total killed in mass attacks, including arson, stabbings, and car attacks. Before Port Arthur: 60 killed After Port Arthur: 76 killed Interestingly enough, most of the "mass shootings" before Port Arthur were murder/suicides where someone killed their entire family and then committed suicide, mostly within the family home. This doesn't really count as a "mass shooting" because it doesn't happen in public. It's not what people think of when you say "mass shooting." So let's look at that list with the irrelevant items removed. 1/20/17 6k/30w car attack 12/15/14 3k shooting 9/4/14 3k/2w arson 11/18/11 11k arson 4/29/11 3k/3w shooting 2/7/09 10k arson 10/21/02 2k/5w shooting 6/23/00 15k arson 4/28/96 35k/24w shooting (Port Arthur) 8/17/91 7k shooting 8/30/90 5k/7w shooting 12/8/87 8k shooting 8/9/87 7k shooting Just public mass shooting attacks: four before, and three after Port Arthur. Before Port Arthur: 27 killed After Port Arthur: 8 killed All mass public attacks: Before Port Arthur: 27 killed After Port Arthur: 53 killed So, although casualties from mass shootings went down, there were nearly twice as many people killed in public mass attacks in the 22 years since the Port Arthur gun ban than in the 22 years before. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 3:37:25 PM EDT
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Looks like all the Sunday news shows are trotting out the survivors to push the gun control narrative.
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Posted: 2/18/2018 3:45:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/18/2018 3:59:09 PM EDT
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Post where you can.
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Posted: 2/18/2018 4:13:30 PM EDT
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He's been in office six months and there's no way in hell he personally shitcanned the investigation into that tip. Find where the ball dropped and make an example out of that person. Firing the director over something that happened that far down the chain is short sighted, feel good, and accomplish nothing bullshit. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 4:40:07 PM EDT
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Has anyone confirmed whether Aaron Feis, the football coach, had a CCP and regularly carried when not at school? The JROTC kid in the Fox interview implies that he did (says "if he had 'his' gun" rather than "a" gun) but doesn't outright say it.
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Posted: 2/18/2018 4:48:49 PM EDT
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I think Wray has been doing a terrible job, I don’t think he’s ever spoke to the public his dept is burning, the culture is typical govt where no one accountable. And now the people on the tip line are arbiters of incoming calls.
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Posted: 2/18/2018 4:57:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/18/2018 6:06:38 PM EDT
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Ties back to their 2013 policy where they don't report troubled youth to LE. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is yet another wrinkle. Administrators at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School recommended back in January 2017 that the school board conduct a "threat assessment" on Nikolas Cruz to determine if he was a danger to the school and its students, according to documents exclusively obtained by Local 10 News. Evidently, the board never conducted the assessment. And is now in full cover-up mode. Broward County Public Schools Superintendent Robert Runcie said Thursday, however, that the school board had no clue of the danger that lurked in the former student. "We received no warning, no hints, no tips," Runcie said. "There was no warning that we saw." Disgusting. https://www.local10.com/news/parkland-school-shooting/school-considered-shooting-suspect-potential-threat-year-before-massacre "Our success will be measured by the number of kids we keep out of jail, not the number we put in jail." ~ Sheriff Scott J. Israel https://www.flsheriffs.org/sheriffs/bio/broward-county |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 7:29:01 PM EDT
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The family he was living with. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-school-shooting-family-helped-nikolas-cruz-20180217-story.html Good people. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 7:53:38 PM EDT
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Why'd you remove the central coast massacre of 1992. Granted he killed people he knew, they weren't all related. Interestingly though they had taken his weapons permit and also taken his guns prior to his shooting spree. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I remember reading an article about this, late last year, but I apparently misremembered exactly what it had said. Google is no help finding the article I had read since it suppresses search results that go against their political views. However, I did go through the wikipedia list of massacres in Australia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia I organized them by date, killed/wounded, and the type of massacre. Mass killings in Australia: 1/20/17 6k/30w car attack 12/19/14 8k/1w stabbing 12/15/14 3k shooting 9/9/14 5k shooting 9/4/14 3k/2w arson 11/18/11 11k arson 4/29/11 3k/3w shooting 7/18/09 5k blunt instrument 2/7/09 10k arson 10/21/02 2k/5w shooting 6/23/00 15k arson 6/28/97 5k murder/suicide 4/28/96 35k/24w shooting (Port Arthur) 1/25/96 6k shooting 10/27/92 6k shooting 8/17/91 7k shooting 8/30/90 5k/7w shooting 9/25/88 6k shooting 12/8/87 8k shooting 10/10/87 5k shooting 8/9/87 7k shooting 6/1/84 5k shooting 9/24/81 5k shooting The format of those got a bit messed up, but I think you can still figure out what's what. Since we're only interested in "mass killings" or "mass shootings" then we can leave out things like multi-day crime sprees, and gang-on-gang violence in which the killed were willing combatants. I've formatted those with strikethroughs. In the same time period (22 years) since the Port Arthur Massacre as before it, there were 4 mass shootings afterward, as opposed to 10 before. Let's look at numbers. 60 killed before Port Arthur in mass shootings, and only 13 killed in mass shootings afterward. But, really, are you any less dead if you're killed with a knife or a car or a firebomb? Let's look at total killed in mass attacks, including arson, stabbings, and car attacks. Before Port Arthur: 60 killed After Port Arthur: 76 killed Interestingly enough, most of the "mass shootings" before Port Arthur were murder/suicides where someone killed their entire family and then committed suicide, mostly within the family home. This doesn't really count as a "mass shooting" because it doesn't happen in public. It's not what people think of when you say "mass shooting." So let's look at that list with the irrelevant items removed. 1/20/17 6k/30w car attack 12/15/14 3k shooting 9/4/14 3k/2w arson 11/18/11 11k arson 4/29/11 3k/3w shooting 2/7/09 10k arson 10/21/02 2k/5w shooting 6/23/00 15k arson 4/28/96 35k/24w shooting (Port Arthur) 8/17/91 7k shooting 8/30/90 5k/7w shooting 12/8/87 8k shooting 8/9/87 7k shooting Just public mass shooting attacks: four before, and three after Port Arthur. Before Port Arthur: 27 killed After Port Arthur: 8 killed All mass public attacks: Before Port Arthur: 27 killed After Port Arthur: 53 killed So, although casualties from mass shootings went down, there were nearly twice as many people killed in public mass attacks in the 22 years since the Port Arthur gun ban than in the 22 years before. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 8:18:51 PM EDT
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None of the shootings happened in public. Three separate homes, and all seemed to be related to him in some way, and targeted specifically. It doesn't fit the definition of a mass public shooting, because the shootings didn't happen in public, and nobody was shot who wasn't specifically targeted. A murder spree, sure, but not what anybody thinks of as a "mass shooting," nor does it meet the FBI definition. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/18/2018 8:28:53 PM EDT
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Florida Social Services Closed Case on Parkland Spree Killer Despite "Behavioral Struggles," Nazi Sympathies and a Plan to Buy A Gun
"Florida's state social services agency investigated Nikolas Cruz's home life more than a year before police say he killed 17 people at his former high school, closing the inquiry after determining that his 'final level of risk is low,' despite learning that the teenager had behavioral struggles and was planning to buy a gun," nytimes.com reports. The specifics are or should have been alarming . . . The investigation detailed several unnerving behaviors from Cruz, including that he had cut his arms on Snapchat, had a Nazi symbol and a racial epithet on his backpack and intended to purchase a gun for unknown reasons, according to a Florida Department of Children and Families report obtained by The Washington Post. Ultimately, the investigation was closed in November 2016, just months before Cruz bought the AR-15 assault-style rifle that police say he would later use in the massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla. And yet no one intervened, Nikolas Cruz passed a federal background check to purchase a Smith & Wesson AR15 and 17 innocent people are dead. And gun control advocates want Americans to believe gun laws are to blame for the massacre. I don't think so. You? |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 8:48:45 PM EDT
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The family he was living with. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-school-shooting-family-helped-nikolas-cruz-20180217-story.html Good people. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 8:49:37 PM EDT
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There is yet another wrinkle. Administrators at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School recommended back in January 2017 that the school board conduct a "threat assessment" on Nikolas Cruz to determine if he was a danger to the school and its students, according to documents exclusively obtained by Local 10 News. Evidently, the board never conducted the assessment. And is now in full cover-up mode. Broward County Public Schools Superintendent Robert Runcie said Thursday, however, that the school board had no clue of the danger that lurked in the former student. "We received no warning, no hints, no tips," Runcie said. "There was no warning that we saw." Disgusting. https://www.local10.com/news/parkland-school-shooting/school-considered-shooting-suspect-potential-threat-year-before-massacre Why did they refuse to report problem kids to authorities? Please don't say "because ICE". --ETA: I spoke to a search engine about it... https://www.publicsource.org/these-districts-fought-the-school-to-prison-pipeline-can-pittsburgh-learn-their-lessons/ Take Broward County, the Florida county that used to rank No. 1 at sending students to their state’s juvenile justice system. The stats troubled Broward County leaders, and they responded with a bold solution: Lower arrests by not making arrests. After examining juvenile data, a local task force compiled 12 misdemeanor offenses that would no longer be considered police matters. Criminal mischief and vandalism, for example. The results were quickly positive. In 2011-12, Broward County officers made 1,062 school-related arrests. That dropped to 392 in 2015-16, putting the rate of school-related arrests among the lowest in the state. School district officials say the strategy allowed schools to respond more constructively to normal teenage behavior, without hurting police ability to respond to serious crime. “We’re not compromising school safety. We’re really saving the lives of kids,” said Michaelle Valbrun-Pope, executive director of Student Support Initiatives for Broward County Public Schools. |
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Posted: 2/18/2018 8:52:11 PM EDT
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@Miami_JBT Why did they refuse to report problem kids to authorities? Please don't say "because ICE". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is yet another wrinkle. Administrators at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School recommended back in January 2017 that the school board conduct a "threat assessment" on Nikolas Cruz to determine if he was a danger to the school and its students, according to documents exclusively obtained by Local 10 News. Evidently, the board never conducted the assessment. And is now in full cover-up mode. Broward County Public Schools Superintendent Robert Runcie said Thursday, however, that the school board had no clue of the danger that lurked in the former student. "We received no warning, no hints, no tips," Runcie said. "There was no warning that we saw." Disgusting. https://www.local10.com/news/parkland-school-shooting/school-considered-shooting-suspect-potential-threat-year-before-massacre Why did they refuse to report problem kids to authorities? Please don't say "because ICE". |
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The family he was living with. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-school-shooting-family-helped-nikolas-cruz-20180217-story.html Have to believe he'll have to switch schools. You can't survive high school being the kid who used to live with the kid who shot up your school. |
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