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You're wrong and you don't even know why. There are no reasonably priced new cars that are rear wheel drive. The new Camaro and Challenger are pigs and cost more than that guy has in his car. You are proposing buying a 40k car to cut up and spend another 20k on to match this car. Here is another point you miss, this car is not about handling. The guy that built this doesn't give two shits that your Miata will out corner it. The G body is that last vestige of affordable rwd gm performance. They weren't even moderately powered but their engine bays can hold any powerplant and are fairly light weight for a full framed car. As far as your last point go, that's an opinion so it's neither right or wrong. I do agree with the ones saying it's a sausage magnet though. Girls don't give a fuck about that shit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A fourth gen Malibu? Gross. I'd rather have that orange pickup (Studebaker?), the first gen Camaro, or the Nova also seen in these videos. Antique cars are for enjoying for the experience. The '50s and '60s are the golden age of automotive Americana. That Malibu comes from the dark ages of the Malaise Days. Also, I'd contend there's more fun to be had cruising around with a straight six and a three on the tree than there is trying to street a car that can barely idle. The G body is that last vestige of affordable rwd gm performance. They weren't even moderately powered but their engine bays can hold any powerplant and are fairly light weight for a full framed car. As far as your last point go, that's an opinion so it's neither right or wrong. I do agree with the ones saying it's a sausage magnet though. Girls don't give a fuck about that shit. GM has been building LSs for a long damn time now, the Ford Coyotes have been in production since 2011, and if you're a dirty Mopar fan, the modern Hemi has been in cars since at least 2006. Considering what Malaise Malibu dude most likely has invested in speed parts, all of this and more is probably an option. |
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You're wrong and you don't even know why. There are no reasonably priced new cars that are rear wheel drive. The new Camaro and Challenger are pigs and cost more than that guy has in his car. You are proposing buying a 40k car to cut up and spend another 20k on to match this car. Here is another point you miss, this car is not about handling. The guy that built this doesn't give two shits that your Miata will out corner it. The G body is that last vestige of affordable rwd gm performance. They weren't even moderately powered but their engine bays can hold any powerplant and are fairly light weight for a full framed car. As far as your last point go, that's an opinion so it's neither right or wrong. I do agree with the ones saying it's a sausage magnet though. Girls don't give a fuck about that shit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A fourth gen Malibu? Gross. I'd rather have that orange pickup (Studebaker?), the first gen Camaro, or the Nova also seen in these videos. Antique cars are for enjoying for the experience. The '50s and '60s are the golden age of automotive Americana. That Malibu comes from the dark ages of the Malaise Days. Also, I'd contend there's more fun to be had cruising around with a straight six and a three on the tree than there is trying to street a car that can barely idle. The G body is that last vestige of affordable rwd gm performance. They weren't even moderately powered but their engine bays can hold any powerplant and are fairly light weight for a full framed car. As far as your last point go, that's an opinion so it's neither right or wrong. I do agree with the ones saying it's a sausage magnet though. Girls don't give a fuck about that shit. Pick one, the not "even moderately powered G body" was the last vestige of performance, or performance metrics are measured off engine bay size and what different motor can be fit in them. Which is it going to be? |
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What side do you presume I’m on? View Quote I find it difficult to believe that someone could genuinely like cars and not find the vehicle in the video to be at least interesting. I think fox bodies are some of the ugliest cars ever made, but I don't shit on guys that have built up fox bodies. |
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You realize that your argument is garbage yet? Pick one, the not "even moderately powered G body" was the last vestige of performance, or performance metrics are measured off engine bay size and what different motor can be fit in them. Which is it going to be? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A fourth gen Malibu? Gross. I'd rather have that orange pickup (Studebaker?), the first gen Camaro, or the Nova also seen in these videos. Antique cars are for enjoying for the experience. The '50s and '60s are the golden age of automotive Americana. That Malibu comes from the dark ages of the Malaise Days. Also, I'd contend there's more fun to be had cruising around with a straight six and a three on the tree than there is trying to street a car that can barely idle. The G body is that last vestige of affordable rwd gm performance. They weren't even moderately powered but their engine bays can hold any powerplant and are fairly light weight for a full framed car. As far as your last point go, that's an opinion so it's neither right or wrong. I do agree with the ones saying it's a sausage magnet though. Girls don't give a fuck about that shit. Pick one, the not "even moderately powered G body" was the last vestige of performance, or performance metrics are measured off engine bay size and what different motor can be fit in them. Which is it going to be? |
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According to KBB, the average new car transaction price in June was about $34,400. For that, you can get a Toyota 86, a Mazda Miata, a Ford Mustang, a Chevy Camaro, a Dodge Challenger, a Nissan Z, a BMW 2 Series, or probably another car or three I'm not thinking of. But then again, that's just what's available brand new with a warranty. You can buy something 5-10 years old for significantly less money and have a starting point that's light-years ahead of any Malaise Era shit heap. GM has been building LSs for a long damn time now, the Ford Coyotes have been in production since 2011, and if you're a dirty Mopar fan, the modern Hemi has been in cars since at least 2006. Considering what Malaise Malibu dude most likely has invested in speed parts, all of this and more is probably an option. View Quote |
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According to KBB, the average new car transaction price in June was about $34,400. For that, you can get a Toyota 86, a Mazda Miata, a Ford Mustang, a Chevy Camaro, a Dodge Challenger, a Nissan Z, a BMW 2 Series, or probably another car or three I'm not thinking of. But then again, that's just what's available brand new with a warranty. You can buy something 5-10 years old for significantly less money and have a starting point that's light-years ahead of any Malaise Era shit heap. GM has been building LSs for a long damn time now, the Ford Coyotes have been in production since 2011, and if you're a dirty Mopar fan, the modern Hemi has been in cars since at least 2006. Considering what Malaise Malibu dude most likely has invested in speed parts, all of this and more is probably an option. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A fourth gen Malibu? Gross. I'd rather have that orange pickup (Studebaker?), the first gen Camaro, or the Nova also seen in these videos. Antique cars are for enjoying for the experience. The '50s and '60s are the golden age of automotive Americana. That Malibu comes from the dark ages of the Malaise Days. Also, I'd contend there's more fun to be had cruising around with a straight six and a three on the tree than there is trying to street a car that can barely idle. The G body is that last vestige of affordable rwd gm performance. They weren't even moderately powered but their engine bays can hold any powerplant and are fairly light weight for a full framed car. As far as your last point go, that's an opinion so it's neither right or wrong. I do agree with the ones saying it's a sausage magnet though. Girls don't give a fuck about that shit. GM has been building LSs for a long damn time now, the Ford Coyotes have been in production since 2011, and if you're a dirty Mopar fan, the modern Hemi has been in cars since at least 2006. Considering what Malaise Malibu dude most likely has invested in speed parts, all of this and more is probably an option. Some of them (let's say Camaro, Mustang, Challenger) are available in very aggressive performance versions. Those aren't 34k though. Plus there is only so much you can do to them without voiding that warranty you speak of, and/or violating state/federal emissions laws, which is a factor with both new and newer used. And then there's vehicle weight... I'm not saying it can't be done. We have members here with crazy versions of those cars. But all of those things are potential problems to a person who would build a car like the Malibu. The solutions you speak of come with their own issues. Personally I'm tired of the "let's work around all of the rules as we mod a newer car" game. Give me something older to work with! Like I said earlier in this thread, I would rather insert new technology into a vehicle that is a blank slate, free of current mandates and regulations. You have the freedom to do whatever you want. Malibu dude wanted an animal with a blower. But you guys go tell him a Toyota 86 is a better ride for him. |
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It sounds like a race car. Most people have never heard real race cars. You can be all the way at the top of the stands, thinking you're safe, and you still feel it in your fucking chest. Quoted:
I stood near this as a child while it was being tuned in a suburban L.A. shop's lot. The concussion would affect your heart efficiency. I was nine and would back away occasionally to catch my breath after standing within twenty feet of the rear. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/332308/IMG_0136_JPG-337602.jpg |
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Well, to be fair: I'm into cars, and sometimes when I'm next to the burnout box when top fuel races, my bowels get a little loose, too. You can be all the way at the top of the stands, thinking you're safe, and you still feel it in your fucking chest. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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They were dirt cheap all the way into the early 90s, if memory serves. A neighbor of mine was selling his 1968 Roadrunner (383) circa 1994. It was unrestored, and the paint was faded and oxidized. Still, it was rust free, the body had no dings, and it was in great mechanical shape. Interior was worn, but serviceable - no tears or holes. It was his daily driver. He was asking $4,200. As a teenager, he might as well have been asking $100k, for all the hope I had of buying that making $4.25/hr part time. By the time I had a real job, career, house, etc 5 or 6 years later, they became unobtanium. They fetch exotic car money now, if restored. It’s depressing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yeah. You know what sucks? ARFcom had a recent thread about the 80's, and I was trying to find pictures of Friday/Saturday night cruising, especially after football games and such, from back in the day...and they're just not out there. Literally a whole generation of awesomeness, and damn little record of it. Cruising was a real thing for us kids back then. It was our generation's cell phone. It's how we listened to our music, how we watched our movies (drive-ins), how we met our girls, how we spent our money. A neighbor of mine was selling his 1968 Roadrunner (383) circa 1994. It was unrestored, and the paint was faded and oxidized. Still, it was rust free, the body had no dings, and it was in great mechanical shape. Interior was worn, but serviceable - no tears or holes. It was his daily driver. He was asking $4,200. As a teenager, he might as well have been asking $100k, for all the hope I had of buying that making $4.25/hr part time. By the time I had a real job, career, house, etc 5 or 6 years later, they became unobtanium. They fetch exotic car money now, if restored. It’s depressing. Hell, in 1987 I scored a 1969 Mach I with a 427 and a 4 speed for $1200. I sold it (I hadn't got to the interior yet when I had to pcs, and back then I never thought the prices would do what they've done) for $1500 6 months later. Man, hindsight. |
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Came to post this. Growing up in the Central Valley that was a normal Friday/Saturday night. View Quote |
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I remember this car from the Street Machine Nationals West in Sacramento, CA about 1984. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/97742-Chevette%20Pro%20Street.JPG At the time, my daily driver was a 1967 Plymouth GTX with a 440, .030" over with 11.5 TRW pistons, mildly ported iron heads 292° .509" cam, 800 CFM Holley, etc. Needless to say the car was extremely traction limited on the street... View Quote |
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This is really something that is part of today's culture, and high-dollar thug racing scene made popular on TV. Many nights I've watched cops sit right by the burnout pit and only get involved when someone started getting squirrely. And then it was usually just to tell them to keep control of their shit or go home. Blown street cars were rare as fuck, and always caused a scene when they showed up to cruise...But alcohol? Never saw one. Some Hilborn alcohol injection, once in a great while...but I never saw anything like this. But this was in NorCal (Sacramento...Sunrise, for those that know the area and might remember the day ). Back when Tower of Records/Posters was still a thing, and you give jugs to the A&W girl to fill. |
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So for someone who desires an animalistic vehicle like the one Malibu dude built... most of the 34k vehicles you posted are lame ass weak sauce. Some of them (let's say Camaro, Mustang, Challenger) are available in very aggressive performance versions. Those aren't 34k though. Plus there is only so much you can do to them without voiding that warranty you speak of, and/or violating state/federal emissions laws, which is a factor with both new and newer used. And then there's vehicle weight... I'm not saying it can't be done. We have members here with crazy versions of those cars. But all of those things are potential problems to a person who would build a car like the Malibu. The solutions you speak of come with their own issues. Personally I'm tired of the "let's work around all of the rules as we mod a newer car" game. Give me something older to work with! Like I said earlier in this thread, I would rather insert new technology into a vehicle that is a blank slate, free of current mandates and regulations. You have the freedom to do whatever you want. Malibu dude wanted an animal with a blower. But you guys go tell him a Toyota 86 is a better ride for him. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A fourth gen Malibu? Gross. I'd rather have that orange pickup (Studebaker?), the first gen Camaro, or the Nova also seen in these videos. Antique cars are for enjoying for the experience. The '50s and '60s are the golden age of automotive Americana. That Malibu comes from the dark ages of the Malaise Days. Also, I'd contend there's more fun to be had cruising around with a straight six and a three on the tree than there is trying to street a car that can barely idle. The G body is that last vestige of affordable rwd gm performance. They weren't even moderately powered but their engine bays can hold any powerplant and are fairly light weight for a full framed car. As far as your last point go, that's an opinion so it's neither right or wrong. I do agree with the ones saying it's a sausage magnet though. Girls don't give a fuck about that shit. GM has been building LSs for a long damn time now, the Ford Coyotes have been in production since 2011, and if you're a dirty Mopar fan, the modern Hemi has been in cars since at least 2006. Considering what Malaise Malibu dude most likely has invested in speed parts, all of this and more is probably an option. Some of them (let's say Camaro, Mustang, Challenger) are available in very aggressive performance versions. Those aren't 34k though. Plus there is only so much you can do to them without voiding that warranty you speak of, and/or violating state/federal emissions laws, which is a factor with both new and newer used. And then there's vehicle weight... I'm not saying it can't be done. We have members here with crazy versions of those cars. But all of those things are potential problems to a person who would build a car like the Malibu. The solutions you speak of come with their own issues. Personally I'm tired of the "let's work around all of the rules as we mod a newer car" game. Give me something older to work with! Like I said earlier in this thread, I would rather insert new technology into a vehicle that is a blank slate, free of current mandates and regulations. You have the freedom to do whatever you want. Malibu dude wanted an animal with a blower. But you guys go tell him a Toyota 86 is a better ride for him. |
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This is my car. Notice the supercharger whine and idle surge!!! Unfortunately it hasn't been down the track since then because my gun funds are superseding the car funds :( View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
This is my car. Notice the supercharger whine and idle surge!!! Unfortunately it hasn't been down the track since then because my gun funds are superseding the car funds :( |
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Maybe I'm out of touch, but a 10 second car these days is "meh". I guess I need to keep in mind, most peoples "10 second" car is the 0-60 times. View Quote |
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For those that "don't get it", forward to 0:40 in that video. See everyone turn their head and cover their ears? That's because it goes from kinda loud to having a JDAM land in your lap loud instantly. It's also about the closest thing to a Shuttle launch or getting sling shotted off a carrier deck that mortals get to experience. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1vBp4g2zqE No way would I spend my money on one of those things, but I understand why people do. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This one needs a tune. https://youtu.be/W1vBp4g2zqE See everyone turn their head and cover their ears? That's because it goes from kinda loud to having a JDAM land in your lap loud instantly. It's also about the closest thing to a Shuttle launch or getting sling shotted off a carrier deck that mortals get to experience. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1vBp4g2zqE No way would I spend my money on one of those things, but I understand why people do. |
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A 10 second car is not "meh" in the real world. On the internet everyone's daily driver makes 1400 hp but in the real world a 10 second street car,let alone a daily driver,is a pretty rare thing. View Quote |
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A whole lot of faggotry in this thread. People bitching about classic cars. View Quote Attached File ETA, the cool thing about an old ugly duckling car is you can do whatever you want to them and no one cares. And they are a dirt cheap starting point that can grow as money allows. Chop up an old Chevelle (if you're willing to pay the buy in price just for a starting point) or the like and the resto guys get all hurt in the ass about it. The "modern performance car" fans don't get it and never will, and that's ok... they don't need to "get it", it's not their car. |
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I suppose if absolutely the only thing you care about is going fast in a straight line it makes sense to pour money into some old junker. Beyond that though there's value in handling, value in braking, features, comfort, reliability, efficiency, safety, etc... And it's not like modern cars are slow at all, in fact you'll need to sink a bunch of money into an old pile before it'll even match a single aspect of a modern performance car. View Quote Modern cars are much better tech, and it is easier to get performance out of them. But that's not why many people build cars. They build cars for fun, for nostalgia, for single aspects of the hobby. Hell, look at the diesel truck drag races. That's cool with me. As for handling, value in braking, features, comfort, reliability, efficiency, safety - I don't care about most of that. I enjoy handling, braking, reliability (to a point, you're going to break shit if you run hard) and raw power. I couldn't give two shits about features, comfort, efficiency or modern safety requirements. Those things you list as important to you, are not selling points for me. We all have different levels of risk aversion, and different things about the hobby we enjoy. If I was going to build a competition car and actually compete in auto racing events I would totally start with a newer vehicle. If I am going to build a car I want to enjoy cruising, looking at in my garage, and occasionally mashing the pedal just to get some shit eating grins- its going to be an early 70's Camaro or Chevelle. |
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We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. A $1500 Malibu with $20k put in it is way more affordable and in my opinion cooler than your examples. The Malibu was also bought out right without payments more than likely so it can be piecemealed over time. A lot of the population can't afford payments and speed parts at the same time. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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According to KBB, the average new car transaction price in June was about $34,400. For that, you can get a Toyota 86, a Mazda Miata, a Ford Mustang, a Chevy Camaro, a Dodge Challenger, a Nissan Z, a BMW 2 Series, or probably another car or three I'm not thinking of. But then again, that's just what's available brand new with a warranty. You can buy something 5-10 years old for significantly less money and have a starting point that's light-years ahead of any Malaise Era shit heap. GM has been building LSs for a long damn time now, the Ford Coyotes have been in production since 2011, and if you're a dirty Mopar fan, the modern Hemi has been in cars since at least 2006. Considering what Malaise Malibu dude most likely has invested in speed parts, all of this and more is probably an option. $20k+ is $20k+ regardless of how he spent it. He could have bought a Mazda RX with a broken dorito or a 4th gen F-body with a V6 for cheap, LS swapped it, and added boost. Fifth gen Mustangs are working their way down the depreciation curve, and SN-95s are about as close to free as it gets these days. All of these options and more would be superior to a 4th gen Malibu by just about every metric imaginable. |
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No shit. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/109172/07f-338745.JPG ETA, the cool thing about an old ugly duckling car is you can do whatever you want to them and no one cares. And they are a dirt cheap starting point that can grow as money allows. Chop up an old Chevelle (if you're willing to pay the buy in price just for a starting point) or the like and the resto guys get all hurt in the ass about it. The "modern performance car" fans don't get it and never will, and that's ok... they don't need to "get it", it's not their car. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A whole lot of faggotry in this thread. People bitching about classic cars. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/109172/07f-338745.JPG ETA, the cool thing about an old ugly duckling car is you can do whatever you want to them and no one cares. And they are a dirt cheap starting point that can grow as money allows. Chop up an old Chevelle (if you're willing to pay the buy in price just for a starting point) or the like and the resto guys get all hurt in the ass about it. The "modern performance car" fans don't get it and never will, and that's ok... they don't need to "get it", it's not their car. , Talon may be faster, but that A models going to be a hoot, it's going to be a rail job but w/210hp rev happy Pontiac OHC inline 6 and no weight. |
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Get both.... https://i.imgur.com/iS36MJy.jpg ,https://i.imgur.com/VbKv9QV.jpg Talon may be faster, but that A models going to be a hoot, it's going to be a rail job but w/210hp rev happy Pontiac OHC inline 6 and no weight. View Quote |
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They have been climbing in value lately. The G body GMs were arguably the last muscle car platform. Intermediate sized, full frame, read wheel drive, two door, V8 and so on. I have some fond memories from high school in a friends 78 Malibu that had the factory V6 swapped for a mildly warmed over 350 and four speed complete with homemade linkage we wasted hours and hours fabricating. it would be slow by todays standards but in the late 90's it was more than enough to eat all the 5.0s Mustangs and Camaros you would encounter in town. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What you've written is nothing but truth...internet bravado, plus arfcom's wealthy membership. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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They have been climbing in value lately. The G body GMs were arguably the last muscle car platform. Intermediate sized, full frame, read wheel drive, two door, V8 and so on. I have some fond memories from high school in a friends 78 Malibu that had the factory V6 swapped for a mildly warmed over 350 and four speed complete with homemade linkage we wasted hours and hours fabricating. it would be slow by todays standards but in the late 90's it was more than enough to eat all the 5.0s Mustangs and Camaros you would encounter in town. View Quote |
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I don't really care, I think it's silly to choose a side and whine about what interests other people. I find it difficult to believe that someone could genuinely like cars and not find the vehicle in the video to be at least interesting. I think fox bodies are some of the ugliest cars ever made, but I don't shit on guys that have built up fox bodies. View Quote |
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Quite telling that the cops descend on the car like flies to shit. "Sir, your car is too loud to be in a classic car run and you'll need to park it until you can get a trailer to get it off the streets." I remember when you could find a steady stream of cars like that circling any Dairy Queen in America on any given Saturday night. View Quote |
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Again, you're going from one extreme (brand new) to another (Malaise). There's over 35 years of automotive progress and development between the two. $20k+ is $20k+ regardless of how he spent it. He could have bought a Mazda RX with a broken dorito or a 4th gen F-body with a V6 for cheap, LS swapped it, and added boost. Fifth gen Mustangs are working their way down the depreciation curve, and SN-95s are about as close to free as it gets these days. All of these options and more would be superior to a 4th gen Malibu by just about every metric imaginable. View Quote |
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I’ve owned 60s era to current era fast muscle cars. While I can somewhat understand such argument between domestic vs foreign, I absolutely cannot understand anything else. I’ve always been a Ford guy, and preferentially Mustangs, I still very much appreciate Chevy’s (such as 55-57 Bel Airs, chevelle, novas, Camaro, corvettes, Malibu’s of any gen, impalas, etc,)
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Save your breath, apparently because he doesn't like something makes it a piece of shit and not worth playing with. I'd like to see his fast ride. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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