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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:00:55 PM EDT
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I'm on the "reservation list" for this vaporware mobile. https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2017/07/bollinger-electric-truck-b1.jpg http://bollingermotors.com $? |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:01:05 PM EDT
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It's actually a little worse than OP makes it sound. Tesla's guidance was originally for 100,000 to 200,000 Model 3s during the second half of 2017. Obviously that number isn't going to be reached at this point. More recently the guidance was lowered to an incredibly modest 1630 Model 3s during 3Q17. They made 13.5% of that! My personal estimate had been 407, 25% of their guidance, and even that was too optimistic. |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:04:15 PM EDT
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Mosk is hoping to duplicate at Tesla what Jeff Bezo's Amazon. Mosk is probably smart enough to not get any of HIS money mixed up with Tesla's. When Tesla goes TU; Tesla's stockholders will the holding bag, and Elan will just ride off into the sunset.
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:04:36 PM EDT
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So once again does anyone want to suggest a reasonable time to travel to flagstaff ax from western nc?
And would anyone like to make a wager I can drive the distance in a reasonable in my tesla? Money where your mouth is kind of thing |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:05:00 PM EDT
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I’m here Not too concerned. Record quarter for model s Record quarter for model x If they aren’t cranking out the model 3 at a quick rate by end of November or mid December I’ll be a little concerned Been hearing of Tesla’s imminent bankruptcy for 5 years or so Been hearing about tesla killer cars for about as long We will see how it plays out To date none of the tesla is doomed talk has come to pass |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:05:19 PM EDT
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Read the book about Elon, I liked him before I read the book, but gotta say hes a real asshole, slave driving dick. He runs his people into the ground and burns them all out. Kind of has a Steve jobs arrogance attitude. I consider buying a Tesla thought they were the shit, but after reading the books, it’s all smoke and mirrors, I agree company goes under and get bought b pay someone like Toyota or GM.
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:05:36 PM EDT
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I’m here Not too concerned. Record quarter for model s Record quarter for model x If they aren’t cranking out the model 3 at a quick rate by end of November or mid December I’ll be a little concerned Been hearing of Tesla’s imminent bankruptcy for 5 years or so Been hearing about tesla killer cars for about as long We will see how it plays out To date none of the tesla is doomed talk has come to pass It's been a while since I looked at the exact numbers, but Tesla has enough cash to last another 6-12 months. It's going to be interesting to see their financials for the third quarter. |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:10:42 PM EDT
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My surprised face. 
Where are the Musk sycophants now? |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:10:51 PM EDT
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Hey, I think we're missing some people..... hohohohoho! 
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:10:56 PM EDT
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I’m here Not too concerned. Record quarter for model s Record quarter for model x If they aren’t cranking out the model 3 at a quick rate by end of November or mid December I’ll be a little concerned Been hearing of Tesla’s imminent bankruptcy for 5 years or so Been hearing about tesla killer cars for about as long We will see how it plays out To date none of the tesla is doomed talk has come to pass |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:12:13 PM EDT
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Check out the price of the Bolt to the base model 3
About the same range but the performance specs heavily favor the model 3 The bolt is more expensive, looks ugly, and underperforms I won’t be concerned until there really is a similar car really on the street |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:12:24 PM EDT
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Musk's latest promise is 20,000 Model 3s by Dec, and that at least sounds reasonable. I don't think his goals of 5k cars a week/one car every two minutes put him in any position for long term survival against the big 3, with affordable vehicles, especially when he hasn't proven that he can run his line at that speed. GM can almost pump out a car a minute with their manufacturing process, 56/hr. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's actually a little worse than OP makes it sound. Tesla's guidance was originally for 100,000 to 200,000 Model 3s during the second half of 2017. Obviously that number isn't going to be reached at this point. More recently the guidance was lowered to an incredibly modest 1630 Model 3s during 3Q17. They made 13.5% of that! My personal estimate had been 407, 25% of their guidance, and even that was too optimistic. No way Tesla is going to ramp up a new line from ~25 vehicles to ~6500 vehicles per week over the next seven weeks. |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:17:52 PM EDT
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Record quarter for model s Record quarter for model x You Tesla guys... geez... 
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:21:55 PM EDT
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Is it a Muskle car? I hope Tesla is wildly successful and leads the way into alternative transportation. But I want them to do it on their own dime not mine. What Muskie clearly doesn't recognize despite being an absolutely brilliant con man, is that the overwhelming majority of the green weanies who would buy his car have virtually no wealth having invested in album collections and bongs, and not unlike Ol' Elon living largely on the taxpayers. |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:25:00 PM EDT
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There are about seven weeks until December, excluding Thanksgiving. There are three working weeks in December. No way Tesla is going to ramp up a new line from ~25 vehicles to ~6500 vehicles per week over the next seven weeks. Sundays and a lot of times Saturdays are non-production days to recalibrate equipment and conduct maintenance that can't be done when the plant is in operation. |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:27:00 PM EDT
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So once again does anyone want to suggest a reasonable time to travel to flagstaff ax from western nc? And would anyone like to make a wager I can drive the distance in a reasonable in my tesla? Money where your mouth is kind of thing |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:29:03 PM EDT
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Check out the price of the Bolt to the base model 3 About the same range but the performance specs heavily favor the model 3 The bolt is more expensive, looks ugly, and underperforms I won’t be concerned until there really is a similar car really on the street |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:29:31 PM EDT
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So once again does anyone want to suggest a reasonable time to travel to flagstaff ax from western nc? And would anyone like to make a wager I can drive the distance in a reasonable in my tesla? Money where your mouth is kind of thing |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:33:50 PM EDT
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So once again does anyone want to suggest a reasonable time to travel to flagstaff ax from western nc? And would anyone like to make a wager I can drive the distance in a reasonable in my tesla? Money where your mouth is kind of thing Just pump some gas into it and keep driving. Either you are burning gas or you are burning coal. Pick your poison. |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:35:41 PM EDT
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If stockholders didn't revolt when he bought Solar-whatever, they are basically his bitches at this point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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220, that's worse than I thought it would be. I called it in the other thread, comparing Tesla's production line certification to GM's. People are stupid if they think you're just going to hit the on switch and everything is going to work, and cars are going to come pouring out at the ridiculous pace he claimed. Because Musk certainly knew he was pissing on the stockholders' feet and calling it rain. |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:36:34 PM EDT
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Very cool. $? |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:38:56 PM EDT
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So once again does anyone want to suggest a reasonable time to travel to flagstaff ax from western nc? And would anyone like to make a wager I can drive the distance in a reasonable in my tesla? Money where your mouth is kind of thing |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:40:18 PM EDT
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No
I’m specifically replying to the post that said that the range was too short to sell them without tax credits. My wager is for all the posts I’ve read in hear that says they are fine for commuting but not really for road tripping. One of the biggest anti tesla statements I read is the inconvenience and lack of range So anyone want to make a wager? |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:41:15 PM EDT
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No I’m specifically replying to the post that said that the range was too short to sell them without tax credits. My wager is for all the posts I’ve read in hear that says they are fine for commuting but not really for road tripping. One of the biggest anti tesla statements I read is the inconvenience and lack of range So anyone want to make a wager? |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:42:17 PM EDT
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No I’m specifically replying to the post that said that the range was too short to sell them without tax credits. My wager is for all the posts I’ve read in hear that says they are fine for commuting but not really for road tripping. One of the biggest anti tesla statements I read is the inconvenience and lack of range So anyone want to make a wager? 
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:43:15 PM EDT
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I would really, really like for Tesla to succeed. I admire Musk's pioneering spirit, factory direct marketing plan and awesome fast cars.. Right now Tesla is propped up with venture capital and he just can't get a handle on mass production techniques. Right now is the best possible time to do this for them. The tech is matured and relatively inexpensive, and the expertise is in abundance. But it doesn't happen overnight. I'll bet in 6 to 12 months, they are approaching their current estimated output. In 18 to 24, they're surpassing it. -Automation guy |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:43:18 PM EDT
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Unless you got 9 digits or more to your name like Musk, don't dream on living on Mars with him. He just wants to get off this rock and get away from the people on it. And he is good at convincing people with a little bit of money he is in the same boat as them and wants the same things they do.
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:45:03 PM EDT
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So you want to make a wager there DK Prof?
You can lol all the way to the bank if it’s that silly |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:45:32 PM EDT
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Read the book about Elon, I liked him before I read the book, but gotta say hes a real asshole, slave driving dick. He runs his people into the ground and burns them all out. Kind of has a Steve jobs arrogance attitude. I consider buying a Tesla thought they were the shit, but after reading the books, it’s all smoke and mirrors, I agree company goes under and get bought b pay someone like Toyota or GM. |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:46:34 PM EDT
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Busy blowing the Apple sycophants? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My surprised face.
Where are the Musk sycophants now? |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:47:16 PM EDT
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Bear Stearns was the same way, until it wasnt. I still think Tesla & SpaceX are more reasonably priced than other premium silicon valley companies. At least they have some scrap metal and equipment that can be auctioned off if it goes bad.
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:48:11 PM EDT
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Where's the rocket surgeon who was braying that internal combustion engines would be obsolete in 7 years?
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:54:49 PM EDT
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Where's the rocket surgeon who was braying that internal combustion engines would be obsolete in 7 years? Just brayin'
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Posted: 10/2/2017 11:05:30 PM EDT
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SpaceX is great thanks to NASA. US Gov was paying $450 million per launch to ULA/Boeing, and SpaceX is doing it now for 1/8 of that just a few years later. So yeah... there success is "thanks to NASA" but if you're intellectually honest you'd have to ask why wasn't ULA/Boeing doing it that well before SpaceX came along? Why wasn't ULA/Boeing or NASA reusing first stages? They were laughing at Musk until a year ago, saying it was impossible. Now they're suddenly quiet.... |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 11:05:57 PM EDT
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I work for a company that does A LOT of work engineering, building, maintaining, and expanding car plants and I thought from the announcement his promise to be putting out 5,000 cars a week by the end of the year was pie in the sky BS. 
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Posted: 10/2/2017 11:07:31 PM EDT
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Car assembly plants also do not run 24/7. Sundays and a lot of times Saturdays are non-production days to recalibrate equipment and conduct maintenance that can't be done when the plant is in operation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are about seven weeks until December, excluding Thanksgiving. There are three working weeks in December. No way Tesla is going to ramp up a new line from ~25 vehicles to ~6500 vehicles per week over the next seven weeks. Sundays and a lot of times Saturdays are non-production days to recalibrate equipment and conduct maintenance that can't be done when the plant is in operation. It really depends on the specific causes. |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 11:26:43 PM EDT
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Mosk is hoping to duplicate at Tesla what Jeff Bezo's Amazon. Mosk is probably smart enough to not get any of HIS money mixed up with Tesla's. When Tesla goes TU; Tesla's stockholders will the holding bag, and Elan will just ride off into the sunset. |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 11:34:06 PM EDT
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There are about seven weeks until December, excluding Thanksgiving. There are three working weeks in December. No way Tesla is going to ramp up a new line from ~25 vehicles to ~6500 vehicles per week over the next seven weeks. Everybody keeps saying the prices of the batteries are going to go down, but I'm not seeing that happening for a while. The demand is about to skyrocket. |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 11:41:19 PM EDT
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Chief Executive Elon Musk previously said that he expected Tesla to produce 100 Model 3 cars in August and ramp up to 1,500 in September, with plans to produce 5,000 Model 3 cars a week by the end of the year. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tesla-model-3-hit-by-production-bottleneck-that-slowed-initial-deliveries-2017-10-02
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Posted: 10/2/2017 11:42:22 PM EDT
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Stop worrying everyone! Soon, you'll be able to put down a deposit for a ticket to Mars, or maybe a condo on the moon or something! 
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Posted: 10/2/2017 11:43:12 PM EDT
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The logistics and cash-burn rates of mass producing cars are fucking astonishing.
The 3 is what the rest of the industry would deem a 'failed launch'. Now we see if Tesla's pockets are deep enough to pull it out of that hole. |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 11:56:36 PM EDT
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That's like saying "Apple is great thanks to people who buy iPhones"--sure, I guess it's true in one sense. But the people wouldn't have anything like the iPhone if it hadn't been for innovation at Apple. US Gov was paying $450 million per launch to ULA/Boeing, and SpaceX is doing it now for 1/8 of that just a few years later. So yeah... there success is "thanks to NASA" but if you're intellectually honest you'd have to ask why wasn't ULA/Boeing doing it that well before SpaceX came along? Why wasn't ULA/Boeing or NASA reusing first stages? They were laughing at Musk until a year ago, saying it was impossible. Now they're suddenly quiet.... |
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Posted: 10/2/2017 11:59:47 PM EDT
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I really hope that one day people talk just as much shit about me as they do Tesla.
#lifegoals 
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Posted: 10/3/2017 12:17:49 AM EDT
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Has PeanutBoy dropped in yet to make up some excuse again?
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Posted: 10/3/2017 1:21:21 AM EDT
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I'm on the "reservation list" for this vaporware mobile. https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2017/07/bollinger-electric-truck-b1.jpg http://bollingermotors.com
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Posted: 10/3/2017 1:55:25 AM EDT
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Read today's press release carefully. Go back and reread the 3q16 vehicle delivery press release. See the error in your statement. Realize how Elon lies to you, and how easily you're fooled. You Tesla guys... geez... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Record quarter for model s Record quarter for model x You Tesla guys... geez... Musk doesn't care if any of his companies actually make money as long as people keep believing in the dream he'll keep making money off the rising stock price. |
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Posted: 10/3/2017 7:16:17 AM EDT
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This is very basic stuff. Tesla can't get the Model 3 cars out the door.
Thousands of workers, still getting paid, while the cars aren't being sold. |
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Posted: 10/3/2017 7:23:46 AM EDT
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Nope. Musk has over $600M in personal loans secured by Tesla stock. He is literally borrowing money to buy shares. Ask the finance gurus how that often turns out. His net worth is around $20B but it's almost completely in Tesla and SpaceX stock. He'll almost certainly have to sell or turn over a big chunk of SpaceX to his creditors when Tesla goes under. And it is when, not if. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mosk is hoping to duplicate at Tesla what Jeff Bezo's Amazon. Mosk is probably smart enough to not get any of HIS money mixed up with Tesla's. When Tesla goes TU; Tesla's stockholders will the holding bag, and Elan will just ride off into the sunset. And there you go! Now he's free to start unloading his shares without any SEC disclosures. The institutional investors dumped 11% of the company in 2q17 and the stock price barely noticed. Elon can unload 25% over a few quarter's easily. |
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Posted: 10/3/2017 7:34:51 AM EDT
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This is very basic stuff. Tesla can't get the Model 3 cars out the door. Thousands of workers, still getting paid, while the cars aren't being sold. Very expensive, and very inefficient for what's supposed to be a genius's technology company. |
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Posted: 10/3/2017 7:35:10 AM EDT
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I would really, really like for Tesla to succeed. I admire Musk's pioneering spirit, factory direct marketing plan and awesome fast cars.. Right now Tesla is propped up with venture capital and he just can't get a handle on mass production techniques. musk is the pt barnum of cars and his followers are no sharper than a sack of ball-bearings. |
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