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Posted: 9/25/2017 1:41:49 PM EDT
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Good luck with that
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:01:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:07:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:07:42 PM EDT
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Idiot's loop and Mach 2 getaway. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have serious doubts about an F-4s ability to escape a 330kt blast...that's a massive bomb. Yikes. 
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:08:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:12:49 PM EDT
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Where do they get black males? You must mean blackmail. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:27:57 PM EDT
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Hey North Korea - the POTUS does not have the power to declare war. Grow up.
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:28:00 PM EDT
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Dennis Rodman is Kim's secret weapon LOL. 
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:33:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:33:57 PM EDT
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Not in the target speed band, majority wood and fabric, loaded with brainwashed NK commandos? Could be a problem. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is the NK air force ready for this task? https://unitedcats.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/korea.jpg |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:38:01 PM EDT
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Yes. They have modern commie block weapons systems. They only have to be lucky once. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do they really even have that capability? Serious question. They have modern commie block weapons systems. They only have to be lucky once. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:45:42 PM EDT
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Polish PZL built AN2's are exempt from experimental classification, and may be operated under Part 91. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:48:16 PM EDT
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Foreign minister just announced.
Correct me if I am wrong: I am fairly certain if the US had already declared war the entire country of NK would know it by now. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:49:57 PM EDT
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Correct me if I am wrong: I am fairly certain if the US had already declared war the entire country of NK would know it by now. I call it rhetoric because I'm fairly certain they will not launch at our planes in international airspace. ... but who knows? |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:51:59 PM EDT
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Foreign minister just announced.
Correct me if I am wrong: I am fairly certain if the US had already declared war the entire country of NK would know it by now. EDIT: sorry for the double post.. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:54:07 PM EDT
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So what does the ROE look like for US plane in international airspace?
Are they green-light with a radar lock-on? Or do they have to wait to be fired on? I'm guessing the latter. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:59:26 PM EDT
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lol What will the Norks do when they find out about 2 double pepperoni pizzas in 30 minutes or less?! |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 2:59:42 PM EDT
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You are not wrong, the foreign minister is just upping the rhetoric. I call it rhetoric because I'm fairly certain they will not launch at our planes in international airspace. ... but who knows? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Correct me if I am wrong: I am fairly certain if the US had already declared war the entire country of NK would know it by now. I call it rhetoric because I'm fairly certain they will not launch at our planes in international airspace. ... but who knows? I think his endgame is to have a reunited korea with himself being the leader. Thus he is delusional. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:01:34 PM EDT
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My big concern is that Un is mentally unsound and is just unbalanced enough to order a strike on the US or its' allies and the consequences would be incalculable for both sides in terms of death toll and destruction. I really think he wants a war as he has done so much to provoke us. I think his endgame is to have a reunited korea with himself being the leader. Thus he is delusional. I'm not sure either way. Could be just saber rattling, could be he's a nutbar and will actually do it. I'm leaning towards saber rattling. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:03:02 PM EDT
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We'll see. I'm not sure either way. Could be just saber rattling, could be he's a nutbar and will actually do it. I'm leaning towards saber rattling. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:05:08 PM EDT
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Bad reference. The lunger won that fight.
A better one would have been "You're a daisy if you do!" |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:07:16 PM EDT
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Bad reference. The lunger won that fight. A better one would have been "You're a daisy if you do!" |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:10:06 PM EDT
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My big concern is that Un is mentally unsound and is just unbalanced enough to order a strike on the US or its' allies and the consequences would be incalculable for both sides in terms of death toll and destruction. I really think he wants a war as he has done so much to provoke us. I think his endgame is to have a reunited korea with himself being the leader. Thus he is delusional. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Correct me if I am wrong: I am fairly certain if the US had already declared war the entire country of NK would know it by now. I call it rhetoric because I'm fairly certain they will not launch at our planes in international airspace. ... but who knows? I think his endgame is to have a reunited korea with himself being the leader. Thus he is delusional. This isn't 1941, where the Japanese had a very slight chance of actually pulling off Pearl Harbor and winning a quick victory that would lead to an eventual treaty. This is 2017, and war between the DRPK and the US means if Kim or members of his faction order even a single ROK or US death then they are all dead men. The war wont be waves of mindless starving commie peasants getting mowed down with machine guns, it will be a war where kinetic warheads will be detonating within feet of the bodies of the leaders of the DRPK. They all will be killed and they don't want to die, they want to enjoy the fruits of being the leaders of a despotic totalitarian govt where they eat till they get fat while the people starve. They are corrupt, they are power mad, they are evil, but they are not suicidal and contrary to their language, they don't actually want war. That's why Trump can press Kim Jung Un against the wall, because Trump knows the truth because he has the best advisers. Kelly, Mattis, McMaster, and Dunford all know not only the military capabilities of the DRPK, but also how constrained they are politically. They know we don't even need to attack to win, we win by destroying NK through sanctions. Their only recourse is to threaten, they can't throw down without guaranteeing their own death, they have zero chance of success. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:10:18 PM EDT
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Are you calling them the JV team? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/327183/IMG_1850-316753.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/327183/IMG_1851-316754.JPG How they got his fat ass in this, I do not know. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/327183/IMG_1852-316755.JPG |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:11:06 PM EDT
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Most capable threat are the Fulcrums, obviously but they wouldn't last long enough to get their landing gear up. Fishbeds are the threat here, at least air-air. S-A is a whole other ballgame with the massive amount of ADA they can throw up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:18:33 PM EDT
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Are you calling them the JV team? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/327183/IMG_1850-316753.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/327183/IMG_1851-316754.JPG How they got his fat ass in this, I do not know. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/327183/IMG_1852-316755.JPG Blue: Aircraft it has shot down Red: How many MiG-29s shot down by other aircraft (A2A losses) Orange: How many MiG-29s have been shot down by ground fire Lebanon War 1982-2000 (Syria) 0-2-0. Syrians vs Israelis, no brainer who will win that one. Gulf War (Iraq) 0-5-0 This was versus USAF F-15C pilots. The MiG-29 is more maneuverable than the F-15C, better thrust-to-weight, with Helmet-Mounted Sight, still got wrecked 0-5 in the hands of Iraqi pilots who had more combat experience than their US counterparts. Transnistra War (Moldova, Russia) 0-0-0 Brothers in Rescue incident (Cuba) 2-0-0 Slovenian War (Yugoslavia) 0-0-0 Croatian War (Yugoslavia) 0-0-0 Bosnia (Serbia) 0-0-0 Kosovo (Serbia) 0-6-0. More Western Air against MiG-29s, same basic results. They get wrecked for sport. Kargil War (India) 0-0-0 Ethiopian-Eritrean War (Eritrea) 3-5-0 Georgian border violation 2008 (Russia) 1-0-0 Darfur War (Sudan) 0-0-1 Now imagine the MiG-29 trying to fly in the Raptor's airspace. The DPRK pilots won't know what hit them. I would actually air task F-15Cs and F-16Cs for it just to keep F-22 capabilities a guess for the Russians, Chinese, and Iranians. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:20:59 PM EDT
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One missed shot and North Korea ceases to exist.
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:22:21 PM EDT
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Do they really even have that capability? Serious question. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:22:46 PM EDT
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Snip Now imagine the MiG-29 trying to fly in the Raptor's airspace. The DPRK pilots won't know what hit them. I would actually air task F-15Cs and F-16Cs for it just to keep F-22 capabilities a guess for the Russians, Chinese, and Iranians. Realistically, how many Mig-29s do you think a Raptor could take on at the same time? Three? Four? |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:23:53 PM EDT
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I understand they have VERY restricted use in the US. Basically a airshow plane with no commercial use. Drop zone operators would be all over them otherwise |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:24:21 PM EDT
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Easy to spot those NK commandos - they're all about four feet tall. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is the NK air force ready for this task? https://unitedcats.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/korea.jpg |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:25:28 PM EDT
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Oh my God. Realistically, how many Mig-29s do you think a Raptor could take on at the same time? Three? Four? 
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:26:41 PM EDT
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MiG-29 Combat Record: 6-18-1 Blue: Aircraft it has shot down Red: How many MiG-29s shot down by other aircraft (A2A losses) Orange: How many MiG-29s have been shot down by ground fire Lebanon War 1982-2000 (Syria) 0-2-0. Syrians vs Israelis, no brainer who will win that one. Gulf War (Iraq) 0-5-0 This was versus USAF F-15C pilots. The MiG-29 is more maneuverable than the F-15C, better thrust-to-weight, with Helmet-Mounted Sight, still got wrecked 0-5 in the hands of Iraqi pilots who had more combat experience than their US counterparts. Transnistra War (Moldova, Russia) 0-0-0 Brothers in Rescue incident (Cuba) 2-0-0 Slovenian War (Yugoslavia) 0-0-0 Croatian War (Yugoslavia) 0-0-0 Bosnia (Serbia) 0-0-0 Kosovo (Serbia) 0-6-0. More Western Air against MiG-29s, same basic results. They get wrecked for sport. Kargil War (India) 0-0-0 Ethiopian-Eritrean War (Eritrea) 3-5-0 Georgian border violation 2008 (Russia) 1-0-0 Darfur War (Sudan) 0-0-1 Now imagine the MiG-29 trying to fly in the Raptor's airspace. The DPRK pilots won't know what hit them. I would actually air task F-15Cs and F-16Cs for it just to keep F-22 capabilities a guess for the Russians, Chinese, and Iranians. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you calling them the JV team? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/327183/IMG_1850-316753.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/327183/IMG_1851-316754.JPG How they got his fat ass in this, I do not know. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/327183/IMG_1852-316755.JPG Blue: Aircraft it has shot down Red: How many MiG-29s shot down by other aircraft (A2A losses) Orange: How many MiG-29s have been shot down by ground fire Lebanon War 1982-2000 (Syria) 0-2-0. Syrians vs Israelis, no brainer who will win that one. Gulf War (Iraq) 0-5-0 This was versus USAF F-15C pilots. The MiG-29 is more maneuverable than the F-15C, better thrust-to-weight, with Helmet-Mounted Sight, still got wrecked 0-5 in the hands of Iraqi pilots who had more combat experience than their US counterparts. Transnistra War (Moldova, Russia) 0-0-0 Brothers in Rescue incident (Cuba) 2-0-0 Slovenian War (Yugoslavia) 0-0-0 Croatian War (Yugoslavia) 0-0-0 Bosnia (Serbia) 0-0-0 Kosovo (Serbia) 0-6-0. More Western Air against MiG-29s, same basic results. They get wrecked for sport. Kargil War (India) 0-0-0 Ethiopian-Eritrean War (Eritrea) 3-5-0 Georgian border violation 2008 (Russia) 1-0-0 Darfur War (Sudan) 0-0-1 Now imagine the MiG-29 trying to fly in the Raptor's airspace. The DPRK pilots won't know what hit them. I would actually air task F-15Cs and F-16Cs for it just to keep F-22 capabilities a guess for the Russians, Chinese, and Iranians. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:29:01 PM EDT
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Oh my God. Realistically, how many Mig-29s do you think a Raptor could take on at the same time? Three? Four? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Snip Now imagine the MiG-29 trying to fly in the Raptor's airspace. The DPRK pilots won't know what hit them. I would actually air task F-15Cs and F-16Cs for it just to keep F-22 capabilities a guess for the Russians, Chinese, and Iranians. Realistically, how many Mig-29s do you think a Raptor could take on at the same time? Three? Four? |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:29:08 PM EDT
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MiG-29 Combat Record: 6-18-1 Blue: Aircraft it has shot down Red: How many MiG-29s shot down by other aircraft (A2A losses) Orange: How many MiG-29s have been shot down by ground fire Lebanon War 1982-2000 (Syria) 0-2-0. Syrians vs Israelis, no brainer who will win that one. Gulf War (Iraq) 0-5-0 This was versus USAF F-15C pilots. The MiG-29 is more maneuverable than the F-15C, better thrust-to-weight, with Helmet-Mounted Sight, still got wrecked 0-5 in the hands of Iraqi pilots who had more combat experience than their US counterparts. Transnistra War (Moldova, Russia) 0-0-0 Brothers in Rescue incident (Cuba) 2-0-0 Slovenian War (Yugoslavia) 0-0-0 Croatian War (Yugoslavia) 0-0-0 Bosnia (Serbia) 0-0-0 Kosovo (Serbia) 0-6-0. More Western Air against MiG-29s, same basic results. They get wrecked for sport. Kargil War (India) 0-0-0 Ethiopian-Eritrean War (Eritrea) 3-5-0 Georgian border violation 2008 (Russia) 1-0-0 Darfur War (Sudan) 0-0-1 Now imagine the MiG-29 trying to fly in the Raptor's airspace. The DPRK pilots won't know what hit them. I would actually air task F-15Cs and F-16Cs for it just to keep F-22 capabilities a guess for the Russians, Chinese, and Iranians. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:30:00 PM EDT
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Oh my God. Realistically, how many Mig-29s do you think a Raptor could take on at the same time? Three? Four? |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:31:58 PM EDT
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Didn't they also say releasing the movie about him called "the interview" was also a declaration of war? yea, not worried about their constant look at me talk.
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:36:11 PM EDT
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Rumor has it (and I can't confirm) that the F22 can track 22 separate targets simultaneously and fire on 8 of them. Take that with a grain of salt, because the actual number hasn't been declassified. F35 should have improvements over the F22 in this capacity as well, correct? (I'm sure it's also classified) |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:36:16 PM EDT
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I vote we rig up a few mothballed bombers as drones and sail them right the fuck over Pyongyang.
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:36:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:41:45 PM EDT
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Wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bad reference. The lunger won that fight. A better one would have been "You're a daisy if you do!" Quoted:
Ok lungers.....let's do it. It was a bad reference because Johnny Ringo lost that fight. My Doc Holliday quote is more accurate to the situation. It is what Doc said when one of the cowboys said they would kill him during the funfightbat the OK corral. That guy died at Doc Holliday's hand as well. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:44:24 PM EDT
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Rumor has it (and I can't confirm) that the F22 can track 22 separate targets simultaneously and fire on 8 of them. Take that with a grain of salt, because the actual number hasn't been declassified. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:44:58 PM EDT
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My son may become an ACE  |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:46:51 PM EDT
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Serious question. How long has it been since we have minted and ace? |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:48:05 PM EDT
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Good luck with that |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:49:25 PM EDT
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Have they gotten a solid fix on the O2 system trying to kill the pilots? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rumor has it (and I can't confirm) that the F22 can track 22 separate targets simultaneously and fire on 8 of them. Take that with a grain of salt, because the actual number hasn't been declassified. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:50:32 PM EDT
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Meh, Iraq use to launch misiles at planes patrolling the no fly zone after the first gulf war on a regular basis. We never retaliated. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I doubt they'd have to score a hit to get a serious retaliation. Just launching a SAM at an aircraft in international airspace would be an actual declaration of war, not a tweet about Kimmy being an idiot.  Attached FileWe responded from both aerial and ground platforms I know for a fact that as late as 99 we were still willing to drop a 10 round 155 mission on a target in Iraq |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:50:35 PM EDT
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Trump needs to call his bluff and send another jet past their air space. Dust off an SR71 and do a fly over.
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:50:52 PM EDT
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Oh my God. Realistically, how many Mig-29s do you think a Raptor could take on at the same time? Three? Four? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Snip Now imagine the MiG-29 trying to fly in the Raptor's airspace. The DPRK pilots won't know what hit them. I would actually air task F-15Cs and F-16Cs for it just to keep F-22 capabilities a guess for the Russians, Chinese, and Iranians. Realistically, how many Mig-29s do you think a Raptor could take on at the same time? Three? Four? |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 3:56:47 PM EDT
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Wonder if we still have any fighter/drone conversions in inventory. Perhaps they should be tasked for "surveillance".
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