two idiots

So, a 120 lb cat would try to kill you?  But I'm sure it loves it's human companion and would never attempt to harm them.  It has EMOTIONS.

Dogs are property, they are the responsibility of their owner.


Unless it's a pitbull then GD will tell you that the owner is absolved from responsibility and the dog is to blame for any situation it is placed in lol

How many humans harm their own family? How many murder-suicides has there been involving families?

You would be surprised at how we are not much different than animals, only with much higher intelligence. In fact, we are mammals

I'm sure if a cat was big enough and got hungry it would most certainly try to kill you.

You mean humans can be irrational, spontaneous, and violent?

Who woulda thunk it.

Yes, just like a 120 pound cat or animal could be.

Laughing Out Loud is getting upset?
This case doesn't even peg my care-o-meter (much)

No, I am just laughing at your "logic"

How many 120 lb cats would attempt to kill their owners?  All of them.

How many humans murder their children/families?  A small fraction.

Difference should be obvious to such a logical thinker.

Not even a little

Wrong. There's domesticated 120 lb + cats that don't attempt to kill their owners

Here's an example: https://www.instagram.com/blackjaguarwhitetiger

Haven't killed them yet.

Ask Siegfried and Roy about that.

This is getting good
Did you really just call site staff an idiot?

More anecdotal evidence.  Would that person lay down and sleep in that enclosure, or interact with them outside of extremely controlled circumstances.  lol

You are ruled by feelz.

So you choose the few breeds of large cats that are actually pack animals as an example?

They're unique in that regard.

They'd still eat him if it came down to it.

Raising large predatory cats takes skill and is still very dangerous. When you see them playing with humans the trainers are aware at all times of where each one is and knows their temperaments. I'm not sure what point everyone is trying to make?

There is more a wild side to those wild cats for sure, but just showing they don't instantly kill someone because they are simply bigger.

This whole argument has strewn way off topic

Not sure why we are talking about big cats now in a thread related to recklessly dumping a domesticated dog

Probably take money for it also 
How inhumane 

How many of those poor bees never make it back to the hive?

What would make you happy? That I say that domesticated dogs and cats should not be treated more than a non-living object?

What should this guys punishment be? A littering fine?

You brought up cats, as noble, wise creatures who have human emotions and talk to you.

IDK why you felt you needed to do that, but it may seem logical to someone who talks to cats, and hears them talk back.

Well considering that large felines are not even close in DNA to a domesticated house case, that has strayed off topic. My point in that video was they don't instantly kill people.

My entire point initially was that a dog and cat are capable of feelings and emotions. You acknowledged that. I believe there should be additional penalties, because of that, if a crime is committed that involves cruelty toward them. By cruelty I mean suffering. Not being humanely disposed of.

Baboso-"Better believe you are in a gym thread, Ms. Turner, because you are in a gym thread"

Oh and for calling me crazy saying my cat can verbally communicate....here is some reading:

http://www.catbehaviorassociates.com/the-meaning-of-your-cats-meow/

Cats do not verbally communicate with each other (instead using mostly body language) but actually learn to use verbal communication toward humans simply because we do it

They can make also make over 100 vocal sounds (dogs make about 10). My cat has different sounds, for example, if I tell him to come inside from the garage and he doesn't want to. He has one if he's hungry, if he's angry, etc. He has a sound for a happy response. He has a sound when I tell him I'm going to give him cat nip. He also mimics bird sounds when he sees a bird.

That's 100% communication

At least this one had a happy ending. I'll try not to think of those that don't.

Asshole.

I will never understand how people can do this with a pet.

Gather round the campfire kids. It's story time...

Certain details of this story will remain shrouded to protect the criminally awesome.

I learned to fly as a young man out of a regional airport in southwest Missouri. My instructor was a prolifically active pilot as well as the tower chief of the airport. Besides being the tower chief he was a full time charter pilot, flew air ambulance, flight instructed and owned and operated his own aircraft, a beautiful L-19 Bird Dog. He was unmarried (what woman would put up with such a lifestyle) and so he lived his entire life at the airport. He received the regional "flight instructor of the year" award a number of times throughout his career and even received it once at the national level. He was a fantastic pilot and a fantastic guy. A character the likes of which you rarely come across.

Over a period of months in the late 80's he noticed a particular car that would park in the airport viewing area not far from the tower in which he worked. He could easily see the car from the tower with his binoculars and got to where he became familiar (visually) with the man that drove it. He'd show up every Saturday, put out a lawn chair and eat his lunch while watching the aircraft come and go. Soon, John (we'll call him), noticed that there were animals being abandoned out there. It didn't take him long to realize that it was happening on Saturdays. So he began to pay closer attention to the man's activities. Sure enough, he finally witnessed him kick a kitten out of his car as the last thing he did before packing up and leaving the viewing area.

So the following Saturday the man shows up again with a puppy in his car. John goes right out there to meet him. He approaches him and says "hey sir. I see you out here every Saturday watching the airplanes. Do you like airplanes?" The man enthusiastically says yes and how he's always wanted to be a pilot but never had a chance to pursue it. John says, "well, I happen to own an airplane. Would you like to go for a ride some time?"
"Yes! Absolutely! Thank you so much for the offer!"
"Well, how does tomorrow look for you? Should be nice weather. How about we meet here around 8am?" Says John.
"I'll be here!"

So the next day rolls around and John takes the guy to the airplane and they blast off into the calm morning air for a scenic ride. John flies him over fields and rivers, playfully dodging about the occasional puff of cloud, towards Hutchinson, KS. Hutchinson was an old abandoned military airport that has since been revitalized. It was set up for the Navy back in the 40's for primary instruction during WWII. Later the air force used it and made the runways huge so they could base SAC bombers there. They later abandoned it as well. Civilians have used on and off for various purposes... skydiving, gliding. There's a nice FBO there now. But there it sat at the time. Enormous runways sprawled out everywhere. Cavernous hangars standing agape next to the ramp. The majority of air traffic came from pigeons flying in and out of the hangars.

John lands and taxis up to a corner of the enormous ramp area away from the hangars. They get out to stretch their legs and John is explaining the history of this base to the man as they're walking across the tarmac towards the abandoned buildings. As they get up next to the buildings, John says "hold on a second. I forgot to grab my camera from the airplane. Be right back." He walks back to the plane, hops in, and fucking flies away. Abandoned his ass right there in the middle of nowhere.

It's gotta be close to a mile walk just to get to the highway. The man would've needed to hitchhike home from there. John never saw him again. But he did keep one of the cats the man abandoned. He named him "Rudder" and he grew up to be the fattest, happiest cat you ever saw.

Swear to God that's a true story.

An L-19 Bird Dog:
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Pics of Hutchinson over the years.
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Cool story thanks

Yes, you've always been 100% cordial and non-confrontational.

You and I have agreed more than we've disagreed, as well as giving each other attah-boys on occasion. My initial point to you was to say that even though we've disagreed about animals in the past, I agreed with your post in this thread. And then you somehow turned that into a pissing match. And I'M the one who's "hostile"???

You're way underestimating dogs intelligence and capacity to both feel and express emotions.

They don't have the higher order brain function such as sense of self, which is why they're still property and can be treated as such

But your argument based on this post alone is as exaggerated as the "fur baby" types.

Dogs mangle and kill lots of other living things.
This is not a path you really want to tread.

I agree. Best answer yet.

Seize his fucking car like the DNR would do if used for poaching. Bet that would make a few bastards like that guy think twice about dumping. If he was in my family, he would be dead to me and my kids.

When you have an animal, you are that animal's entire world.  It relies on you 100%.  Especially with dogs, it will give its life for you in an instant.  You have a responsibility to treat it accordingly.  Anyone who would just abandon another life, regardless of species, that depends on you and loves you deserves no better fate than what they left for the animal.

The true measure of a man's character is not how he treats his superiors and peers:  it's how he treats his inferiors.

Works for me.

Lol..

Do I like th guy for dumping a dog? No...

Do I think our society has put pets on a pedestal and people treat them better than other humans..yes


People call their pets their kids...you have a damn screw loose if you compare a pet life to that of a human.

People really like to attribute human emotion, feeling, and logic to animals that cannot even fathom our process of thought.

This guy gets it....

Nailed it.