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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:09:22 PM EDT
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Protests have become a party for these fools.
Not one mofo gives a damn about the fucker they shot. Its an excuse to tear up shit and miss class |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:10:24 PM EDT
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That's a rather "squishy" answer. How about a definitive one? (like a number) |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:12:30 PM EDT
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But... but... but... They didn't have to kill him! They could have shot to wound instead of to kill. I promise you that there will be some fool who has never fired so much as a BB gun or even a paintball gun making that argument. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:14:46 PM EDT
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I can tell the difference between an unopened leatherman and a knife from a good distance away. I think your gun comparison is a bit of a reach. 
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:14:59 PM EDT
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1. When a suspect approaches an officer with an object in his hand saying 'Shoot me" after repeated commands to stop that he evidently understood, I dont think the officer is culpable in the shooting. Agree and disagree. Had there not been a video, I'd lean more towards the officers side but now seeing the video, that's not a compelling enough argument to me to justify deadly force in this situation. As someone else stated, it's like the officer who shot wasn't in the mood to DE-escalate the situation on this night. 2. It's weird that a US campus PD in this day and age does not have issue Tasers. Same. You would think out of all the places to have one, a campus would be it. 3. Gender dysphoria is a symptom of mental illness. I dont understand how people encourage the symptom and are later shocked at the results. Agreed. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:18:54 PM EDT
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1. When a suspect approaches an officer with an object in his hand saying 'Shoot me" after repeated commands to stop that he evidently understood, I dont think the officer is culpable in the shooting. [color=#ff0000]Agree and disagree. Had there not been a video, I'd lean more towards the officers side but now seeing the video, that's not a compelling enough argument to me to justify deadly force in this situation. As someone else stated, it's like the officer who shot wasn't in the mood to DE-escalate the situation on this night. [/color] 2. It's weird that a US campus PD in this day and age does not have issue Tasers. Same. You would think out of all the places to have one, a campus would be it. 3. Gender dysphoria is a symptom of mental illness. I dont understand how people encourage the symptom and are later shocked at the results. Agreed. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:21:33 PM EDT
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Since I am not a cop, the obvious answer is zero. Just like most cops on here. You aren't a detective, are you? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:22:03 PM EDT
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Place sure has changed since I graduated. EE class of "89. Glad my son & daughter both decided to go somewhere else.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:23:28 PM EDT
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I'm sure the university lawyers have vetoed tasers.
Too much liability. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:25:05 PM EDT
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Non compliant, suicidal, subject with a knife in hand that comes closer than 21 feet has a 50/50 chance of getting shot. Police are typically trained that a person with an edged weapon in hand at that distance will typically close and stab/cut before they can be drawn on or effectively stopped with pistol fire. Given their training, I'd say that the majority of likewise trained and equipped law enforcement officers would have done the same in that particular circumstance. Or they would at least agree with that officer's response as being a reasonable one with the clarity of hindsight and the safety of their computer/TV screen between them and a potential deadly threat.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:27:20 PM EDT
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Are you sure you watched the video? If so, how did you come to that conclusion? When the cop is asking crazy guy his name, trying to talk to him, all the while telling him to drop the knife eleventy billion times, what do you think they're trying to do if not "de-escelate"? This person obviously wasn't going to drop it so next thing to do is think how are we going to stop this. And going from 1-10 isn't always the right cal IMO. And no, I'm not a "should have shot him in the leg" person but I feel this could have ended differently with no one getting seriously injured and certainly not death. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:32:10 PM EDT
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The same one as you I assume. Just because you get tired of asking someone to drop a knife doesn't justify shooting. This person obviously wasn't going to drop it so next thing to do is think how are we going to stop this. And going from 1-10 isn't always the right cal IMO. And no, I'm not a "should have shot him in the leg" person but I feel this could have ended differently with no one getting seriously injured and certainly not death. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:38:45 PM EDT
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fair enough. What would you have done? Ignore the comical music  Protester blocking highway gets SLAMMED. Seemed like the suspect at GA Tech was very preoccupied on what was going on in front of him/her. You're talking about a suicidal mentally ill individual here who desperately needs help, not someone who went on a stabbing spree who was finally cornered. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:49:11 PM EDT
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I'm sure the university lawyers have vetoed tasers. Too much liability. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:49:22 PM EDT
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Probably as many as most cops on here. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:51:28 PM EDT
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Since I am not a cop, the obvious answer is zero. Just like most cops on here. You aren't a detective, are you? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:55:48 PM EDT
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I thought you were kind of cool until that thread about the California ADA getting jumped by the gangbangers. Never was. It doesn't bother me much. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:57:36 PM EDT
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The same one as you I assume. Just because you get tired of asking someone to drop a knife doesn't justify shooting. I agree there are better ways of handling that type of scenario but, I dont know what other tools they had or what level of training they get for that. If the guy called someone's house and said "Im coming over with a knife and a gun" and then actually showed up with something in his hand shouting "Shoot me!", I dont think anyone would consider the homeowner culpable in the shooting that person. Legally and morally, I think the officer is not culpable. Tactically? Well, dang, I dont know what less lethal tactics a 5 crease navy blue oxford imbues a man with but, in my experience, not a lot. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 4:02:32 PM EDT
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Meh, no great loss. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Correct that's all. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 4:05:20 PM EDT
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I am going to have a party when Bradley Manning finally suck starts his kel-tec .32 |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 4:15:19 PM EDT
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Good shoot
Advancing with an edged weapon places lives at risk..."lives" - plural. Reference the Tueller Drill cannot be emphasized enough here. 0-60 in 1.5 seconds |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 4:21:26 PM EDT
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I thought you were kind of cool until that thread about the California ADA getting jumped by the gangbangers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since I am not a cop, the obvious answer is zero. Just like most cops on here. You aren't a detective, are you? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 4:21:59 PM EDT
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If the cops would have shot and not killed the thing, or even managed to give it some hickory until it stopped, would the mob have been satisfied?
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Posted: 9/19/2017 4:22:09 PM EDT
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Very true. But if he spent any money on surgery he got ripped off.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Scott was still male. All the long hair, makeup, surgery, drugs, and self identification you want does not change XX or XY. But if he spent any money on surgery he got ripped off. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 4:22:25 PM EDT
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Now how will we get |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 4:29:14 PM EDT
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Yeah, that was a bit beyond the pale. You obviously do. So, tell me how you have kept up with the unfortunate ladies condition? Care to give us an update? I will note, with no small amount of irony, that in a thread where it was painstakingly explained that the biggest reason to not "shoot to wound" was that a DA would prosecute the officer responsible I was reminded that those same over zealous DAs who can't wait to throw cops in jail are also special important creatures on the side of truth, justice and the American way. That is when they aren't trying to throw cops in jail for exercising discretion and not killing someone if they had a different option. It is breathtaking to note. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 4:34:01 PM EDT
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Isn't this incident just another version of assisted suicide? Doesn't the left normally love assisted suicide?
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Posted: 9/19/2017 4:40:38 PM EDT
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G.T.P.D. needs some training on having fire extinguishers and a fire retardent blanket handy? Seriously didn't look like the vehicle needed to burn. I'd assume a road flare was tossed in it. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 4:41:23 PM EDT
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I'm normally not a big fan of interjecting my method for handling situations police are trained to handle but let me point you towards this well known video as an idea. Ignore the comical music  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zsmD6DGjRk
Seemed like the suspect at GA Tech was very preoccupied on what was going on in front of him/her. You're talking about a suicidal mentally ill individual here who desperately needs help, not someone who went on a stabbing spree who was finally cornered. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 4:41:40 PM EDT
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Yeah, that was a bit beyond the pale. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 4:43:55 PM EDT
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Now how will we get men to Mars? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Correct that's all. 
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Posted: 9/19/2017 4:44:21 PM EDT
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"Colleges" are no longer Colleges.
ETA: "You've come to the wrong shop for anarchy, brother" |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 4:50:00 PM EDT
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If the cops would have shot and not killed the thing, or even managed to give it some hickory until it stopped, would the mob have been satisfied? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 4:51:51 PM EDT
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They should be celebrating. The thing wanted deaded by the police and its wish was granted. Its mental anguish is now over.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:02:46 PM EDT
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Advancing with a weapon is not a two dimensional threat. It's a bit presumptuous to say the reason that the officer fired is because he was "tired" of anything. I agree there are better ways of handling that type of scenario but, I dont know what other tools they had or what level of training they get for that. If the guy called someone's house and said "Im coming over with a knife and a gun" and then actually showed up with something in his hand shouting "Shoot me!", I dont think anyone would consider the homeowner culpable in the shooting that person. Legally and morally, I think the officer is not culpable. Tactically? Well, dang, I dont know what less lethal tactics a 5 crease navy blue oxford imbues a man with but, in my experience, not a lot. I essentially agree with your conclusion "Legally and morally, I think the officer is not culpable. Tactically? Well, dang, I dont know...." The issue is we're talking about a loss of life not a ticket or an arrest or anything along those lines. It's a big enough deal to look back and say "huh, did we do everything we could to prevent having to use deadly force while making sure we're safe." Again, a leo unrightfully? tickets someone or even books someone, oh well. You take someones life, lets really make sure we exhaust all other options, safely. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:17:01 PM EDT
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SCOUT ..... NOT Scott. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Scott was still male. All the long hair, makeup, surgery, drugs, and self identification you want does not change XX or XY. He got want he wanted, he was just too chicken to do it himself. So, instead, the selfish bastard got some poor campus cop to do it for him. Now, we'll get all the hand wringing from the left about how the eeeevil police should have done something different. Well, how about Mommy and Daddy doing something different? Like getting their son the psychiatric treatment he clearly needed, and I suspect they were aware of the need for some time. Yet, they did nothing. How about Scott doing something different like walk into ANY emergency room and telling them he wants to commit suicide? He made his choice. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:23:17 PM EDT
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Isn't this incident just another version of assisted suicide? Doesn't the left normally love assisted suicide? 
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:33:46 PM EDT
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I'm normally not a big fan of interjecting my method for handling situations police are trained to handle but let me point you towards this well known video as an idea. Ignore the comical music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zsmD6DGjRk
Seemed like the suspect at GA Tech was very preoccupied on what was going on in front of him/her. You're talking about a suicidal mentally ill individual here who desperately needs help, not someone who went on a stabbing spree who was finally cornered. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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fair enough. What would you have done? Ignore the comical music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zsmD6DGjRk
Seemed like the suspect at GA Tech was very preoccupied on what was going on in front of him/her. You're talking about a suicidal mentally ill individual here who desperately needs help, not someone who went on a stabbing spree who was finally cornered. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 6:13:52 PM EDT
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Legally? I think it's a good shoot
Should the cops have tried to de escalate? I think they could have tried. Yelling "drop the knife" while aiming a gun at someone is not de escalating. Asking what its name is a start but yelling with a gun kinda negates that. How much training do cops get to de escalate people with mental health issues? It's not always easy even with lots of training. If it was I'd never need IM haldol. For those who say bad shoot I'd like to see how you handle a psychotic, armed person. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 6:23:41 PM EDT
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I am going to have a party when Bradley Manning finally suck starts his kel-tec .32 |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 6:42:50 PM EDT
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You just know that's coming.
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I am going to have a party when Bradley Manning finally suck starts his kel-tec .32 |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 6:49:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2017 7:13:59 PM EDT
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I'm normally not a big fan of interjecting my method for handling situations police are trained to handle but let me point you towards this well known video as an idea. Ignore the comical music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zsmD6DGjRk
Seemed like the suspect at GA Tech was very preoccupied on what was going on in front of him/her. You're talking about a suicidal mentally ill individual here who desperately needs help, not someone who went on a stabbing spree who was finally cornered. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 7:17:36 PM EDT
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So you think the proper tactic police should use against a suspect with an edged weapon is to go hands on with him and tackle him?
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Posted: 9/19/2017 7:22:55 PM EDT
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So you think the proper tactic police should use against a suspect with an edged weapon is to go hands on with him and tackle him? I still wanted to shoot him. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 7:26:30 PM EDT
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So you think the proper tactic police should use against a suspect with an edged weapon is to go hands on with him and tackle him? Not saying it's the proper tactic but it's an option. And don't conflate what I'm proposing for this one instance with every other instance of a suspect with an edged weapon. I'm not going anywhere near a dude with a machete. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 7:26:50 PM EDT
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The same one as you I assume. Just because you get tired of asking someone to drop a knife doesn't justify shooting. This person obviously wasn't going to drop it so next thing to do is think how are we going to stop this. And going from 1-10 isn't always the right cal IMO. And no, I'm not a "should have shot him in the leg" person but I feel this could have ended differently with no one getting seriously injured and certainly not death. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you sure you watched the video? If so, how did you come to that conclusion? When the cop is asking crazy guy his name, trying to talk to him, all the while telling him to drop the knife eleventy billion times, what do you think they're trying to do if not "de-escelate"? This person obviously wasn't going to drop it so next thing to do is think how are we going to stop this. And going from 1-10 isn't always the right cal IMO. And no, I'm not a "should have shot him in the leg" person but I feel this could have ended differently with no one getting seriously injured and certainly not death. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 7:31:35 PM EDT
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If the cops would have shot and not killed the thing, or even managed to give it some hickory until it stopped, would the mob have been satisfied? There are quite a few instances on some of the audio from that confrontation where the cops tried to reason with him to put the knife down..........I think one cop said something like "c'mon man, just put it down" and basically pleaded with him..........he just screamed "Shoot me!" Not much else they could have done..............damned sure didn't want to advance and try to disarm him when he had an edged weapon............. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 7:47:06 PM EDT
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Martha McCallum just jumped the shark with Mark Ferman.
She was saying aren't the police trained to shoot people in the ankle or the leg in these situations. If that was written for her the writer needs to be bitched slapped. If she came up with it on her own then she should no longer be allowed to report on such situations. 
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Posted: 9/19/2017 7:48:19 PM EDT
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Would you really feel scared or in fear for your life coming up behind someone with a multitool/pocket knife and body slamming them without them seeing you? Not saying it's the proper tactic but it's an option. And don't conflate what I'm proposing for this one instance with every other instance of a suspect with an edged weapon. I'm not going anywhere near a dude with a machete. |
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