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Posted: 9/19/2017 12:26:57 PM EDT

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Ive seen plenty of folks shot who didn't even notice. Im sure you have too.

You gonna risk having your headstone read "Stabbed to death by a suicidal transvestite." ?

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did you see the video?

Two things working against your scenario.

1. The guy wasn't running. He was just walking trying to get them to shoot.

2. It was an unopened multi-tool. Nobody was getting stabbed. They knew it was a knife because of the call in.

They spent a minute yelling at the idiot from about 5 yards away and then finally shot him when they ran out of options.

Ordinarily I am right there with you. But from what I saw on the video this was a different set of circumstances.

Posted: 9/19/2017 12:29:02 PM EDT

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did you see the video?

Two things working against your scenario.

1. The guy wasn't running. He was just walking trying to get them to shoot.

2. It was an unopened multi-tool. Nobody was getting stabbed. They knew it was a knife because of the call in.

They spent a minute yelling at the idiot from about 5 yards away and then finally shot him when they ran out of options.

Ordinarily I am right there with you. But from what I saw on the video this was a different set of circumstances.

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Posted: 9/19/2017 12:33:21 PM EDT

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Another angle of the chase

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgKuwtFQNwg

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damn, that cop was bleeding pretty bad from the head

Posted: 9/19/2017 12:37:12 PM EDT

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I was listening no the news this morning. According to the news he had a multitool with the blade closed. No idea if that's accurate.

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He also had told 911 he had a gun.

Posted: 9/19/2017 12:38:51 PM EDT

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Except I think it is a her. Foxnews article says "Scott", but mentions a "Scout" with a womans picture. Cute I might add. Sad.

ETA: Fuck me if that is a guy. I am off to the corner. Forever.

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That was most definitely a "he". His retarded father even referred to him as his "son" during their media blitz yesterday.

Posted: 9/19/2017 12:43:05 PM EDT

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I simply proposed an alternative option that still allowed the officers to remain safe but didn't require the death of the student.

that's all.

Posted: 9/19/2017 12:44:34 PM EDT

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He also had told 911 he had a gun.

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Is that enough for PID?

Posted: 9/19/2017 12:44:35 PM EDT

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He also had told 911 he had a gun.

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Did he?

Posted: 9/19/2017 12:50:24 PM EDT

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Because that's always worked historically.

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Have there been many riots at Kent State after 1970?

Posted: 9/19/2017 12:55:06 PM EDT

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Did he?

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obviously not. and, since the cops were yelling "drop the knife" and not "drop the gun" one must assume the police didn't think he had a gun in his hand.

Posted: 9/19/2017 12:57:17 PM EDT

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obviously not. and, since the cops were yelling "drop the knife" and not "drop the gun" one must assume the police didn't think he had a gun in his hand.

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So is it accurate that the police shot a nutty guy with a closed leatherman?

Posted: 9/19/2017 12:58:45 PM EDT

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did you see the video?

Two things working against your scenario.

1. The guy wasn't running. He was just walking trying to get them to shoot.

2. It was an unopened multi-tool. Nobody was getting stabbed. They knew it was a knife because of the call in.

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Gets shot in leg, it sets him off, runs the short 5 yards while opening multi-tool, cop is startled by leg shot not working doesn't get off anymore shots, cop is stabbed to death.

If you are gonna shoot, you better shoot right.

If you were arguing some form of less lethal sure, but if you are shooting someone you are killing them, you cannot level of force shooting people without it getting insane real quick.

Posted: 9/19/2017 1:05:10 PM EDT

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Is that enough for PID?

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He also had told 911 he had a gun.

Is that enough for PID?

Well, he also described himself to a T, since he was calling in himself. Dude wanted to die. He was obliged. His tuition paid them after all, so 5 star customer service I guess.

Posted: 9/19/2017 1:10:06 PM EDT

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Gets shot in leg, it sets him off, runs the short 5 yards while opening multi-tool, cop is startled by leg shot not working doesn't get off anymore shots, cop is stabbed to death.

If you are gonna shoot, you better shoot right.

If you were arguing some form of less lethal sure, but if you are shooting someone you are killing them, you cannot level of force shooting people without it getting insane real quick.

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More than one cop.

Takes me 30 seconds to open a gerber up and get the knife out. but I am not used to transitioning the way that guy was.

Yes, if the cop was easily started and incompetent, that opens up all kinds of scenarios.

but listening to the audio, such as it is, both seemed well in control of the situation. They just ran out of amazingly limited options. They apparently had two.

1. Yelling.
2. COM.

Posted: 9/19/2017 1:12:00 PM EDT

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More than one cop.

Yes, if the cop was easily started and incompetent, that opens up all kinds of scenarios.

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The other cop was incompetent enough to take himself out of the fight angle wise if ole Scout charged, so...........

Posted: 9/19/2017 1:12:15 PM EDT

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They tore down Techwood Homes for the Olympics, that got rid of one of the worst areas next to campus. I think GSU actually has it worse, GT main campus is fairly well-defined (the section over by Technology Square on the other side of the interstate, not so well), GSU mixes in more with non-school buildings.

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Ahhh, Techwood Homes. Now it's a party!

Well, it was a party....

That was a good place to get raped and deaded. And sometimes not in that order.

Posted: 9/19/2017 1:13:52 PM EDT

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For those saying there are other means - If I was dealing with a guy with a knife and he ignored commands I would shoot as well. If its going to be you or me - it will be you. I am willing to bet you would feel the same way.

Tranny got what he/she wanted end of story - I would not put my life in danger to see if it was anything different. For that reason I would never expect another to either.

Posted: 9/19/2017 1:14:53 PM EDT

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The other cop was incompetent enough to take himself out fight angle wise if ole Scout charged, so...........

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absolutely agreed. I mentioned that in the other thread. I had no idea what his plan was.

Posted: 9/19/2017 1:15:30 PM EDT

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For those saying there are other means - If I was dealing with a guy with a knife and he ignored commands I would shoot as well. If its going to be you or me - it will be you. I am willing to bet you would feel the same way.

Tranny got what he/she wanted end of story - I would not put my life in danger to see if it was anything different. For that reason I would never expect another to either.

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But the knife wasn't open.

Posted: 9/19/2017 1:17:52 PM EDT

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But the knife wasn't open.

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Could have been. Like I said earlier, from 8 seconds to when the shot was fired, the threat remained roughly the same but they didn't shoot. They ran out of ideas. as AFT Ranger would say, "problem solved, problem staying solved"

Posted: 9/19/2017 1:18:24 PM EDT

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But the knife wasn't open.

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How far was the guy away to know? Pretty sure I could hold a blade to where you can't tell if its open or not.

Again - Had a weapon do they know if its a sping loaded blade? I know I am playing what ifs here but thats the point - what you dont know you dont know and again I wouldn't be taking the risk. Let me pull a gun and you risk if its loaded or not - I know its different but concept is the same

ETA: You threaten lethal force, or I feel afraid for my life - boom thats all thats needed. I have no duty to determine how serious you are, what your mental stability is, method, etc.

Posted: 9/19/2017 1:21:16 PM EDT

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G.T.P.D. needs some training on having fire extinguishers and a fire retardent blanket handy? Seriously didn't look like the vehicle needed to burn.

I'd assume a road flare was tossed in it.

Posted: 9/19/2017 1:21:29 PM EDT

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How far was the guy away to know? Pretty sure I could hold a blade to where you can't tell if its open or not.

Again - Had a weapon do they know if its a sping loaded blade? I know I am playing what ifs here but thats the point - what you dont know you dont know and again I wouldn't be taking the risk. Let me pull a gun and you risk if its loaded or not - I know its different but concept is the same

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I can tell the difference between an unopened leatherman and a knife from a good distance away.

I think your gun comparison is a bit of a reach.

Posted: 9/19/2017 1:29:34 PM EDT

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I can tell the difference between an unopened leatherman and a knife from a good distance away.

I think your gun comparison is a bit of a reach.

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As I said different scope - similar concept.

My leatherman blade is apprx. 1/16" thick, you have some hawk eyes if I turn the horizontal and directly facing you. Hope you put that to work day to day.

Again not saying there weren't potential other option but I am not going to expect anyone to take anything - you confront me or someone I know with deadly force its going to be you period. I can't expect any more from anyone else.

Roles reversed If I threatened you with deadly force and you acted I wouldn't blame you. Life isn't a fucking TV show or a video game - dont threaten life if you aren't ready to give yours for that cause its no ones duty to mentally evaluate your will/drive

Posted: 9/19/2017 1:30:29 PM EDT

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2. It was an unopened multi-tool. Nobody was getting stabbed.

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How to open a Leatherman like a butterfly knife

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw4z-mXSyxg

Posted: 9/19/2017 2:07:02 PM EDT

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As I said different scope - similar concept.

My leatherman blade is apprx. 1/16" thick, you have some hawk eyes if I turn the horizontal and directly facing you. Hope you put that to work day to day.

Again not saying there weren't potential other option but I am not going to expect anyone to take anything - you confront me or someone I know with deadly force its going to be you period. I can't expect any more from anyone else.

Roles reversed If I threatened you with deadly force and you acted I wouldn't blame you. Life isn't a fucking TV show or a video game - dont threaten life if you aren't ready to give yours for that cause its no ones duty to mentally evaluate your will/drive

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Going off the information I heard on the news he was telling the police officers to shoot him. Not threatening the officers, is that inaccurate?

Posted: 9/19/2017 2:09:53 PM EDT

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I wonder when the university system will finally decide to move tech out of the ghetto...

One wrong turn off campus and you're in da hood big time. Not surprised at the riots.

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Like Yale, Drexel, CCNY (I assume) and numerous other good schools.

All surrounded by third world shitholes.

Posted: 9/19/2017 2:13:47 PM EDT

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The whole closed knife bit is still rumor though, isn't it?

Not that it matters TBH.

Posted: 9/19/2017 2:14:32 PM EDT

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I simply proposed an alternative option that still allowed the officers to remain safe but didn't require the death of the student.
that's all.

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I simply proposed an alternative option that still allowed the officers to remain safe but didn't require the death of the student.
that's all.

Meh, no great loss.

Posted: 9/19/2017 2:15:28 PM EDT

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Yep.

Who has been in more gunfights than most folks.

But, I admit fully, I have never taken on a suicidal transvestite with a closed leatherman.

I am not sure I could have handled that level of threat.

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A 4 D cell mag lite would have tuned Scout right up. I prefer knocking the living shit out of them to shooting.

Posted: 9/19/2017 2:16:28 PM EDT

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Dude. There are well known members here making that argument.

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Some with military experience.

Posted: 9/19/2017 2:17:55 PM EDT

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Some with military experience.

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Different game, different rules, different players.

Posted: 9/19/2017 2:18:30 PM EDT

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So shoot the rioters too.

Soon people will learn not to do stupid shit, like come at the cops with a knife or throw bricks at them.

Posted: 9/19/2017 2:18:47 PM EDT

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Yep.

Who has been in more gunfights than most folks.

But, I admit fully, I have never taken on a suicidal transvestite with a closed leatherman.

I am not sure I could have handled that level of threat.

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How many "gunfights" have you been involved in as a civilian cop? Not fucking one I'll wager.

Posted: 9/19/2017 2:21:51 PM EDT

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The fruitloop wrote 3 suicide notes. Sad, but rioters are just dumbasses.

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Though I'm sure they're dumbasses, this riot isn't a result of being a dumbass. They were just looking for an excuse to be assholes.

Posted: 9/19/2017 2:29:24 PM EDT

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This made me laugh out loud:

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Posted: 9/19/2017 2:29:47 PM EDT

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Glad I'm not closer, I'd be tempted to go do some anti-rioting. These shit heads are just looking for an excuse to be violent shit heads.

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meh, I'm not too far up 85, but this ain't the hill I wanna die on

Posted: 9/19/2017 2:31:32 PM EDT

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Meh, no great loss.

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that's why I love you so much.

Posted: 9/19/2017 2:32:12 PM EDT

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How many "gunfights" have you been involved in as a civilian cop? Not fucking one I'll wager.

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Probably as many as most cops on here.

Posted: 9/19/2017 2:37:16 PM EDT

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More than one cop.

Takes me 30 seconds to open a gerber up and get the knife out. but I am not used to transitioning the way that guy was.

Yes, if the cop was easily started and incompetent, that opens up all kinds of scenarios.

but listening to the audio, such as it is, both seemed well in control of the situation. They just ran out of amazingly limited options. They apparently had two.

1. Yelling.
2. COM.

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Gets shot in leg, it sets him off, runs the short 5 yards while opening multi-tool, cop is startled by leg shot not working doesn't get off anymore shots, cop is stabbed to death.

If you are gonna shoot, you better shoot right.

If you were arguing some form of less lethal sure, but if you are shooting someone you are killing them, you cannot level of force shooting people without it getting insane real quick.

More than one cop.

Takes me 30 seconds to open a gerber up and get the knife out. but I am not used to transitioning the way that guy was.

Yes, if the cop was easily started and incompetent, that opens up all kinds of scenarios.

but listening to the audio, such as it is, both seemed well in control of the situation. They just ran out of amazingly limited options. They apparently had two.

1. Yelling.
2. COM.

The multitool was partially open with one "leg" extended, so in the light it appeared to be a knife blade.

Posted: 9/19/2017 2:37:26 PM EDT

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I simply proposed an alternative option that still allowed the officers to remain safe but didn't require the death of the student.

that's all.

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net gun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIEeNp70jxU

Posted: 9/19/2017 2:39:04 PM EDT

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Ahhh, Techwood Homes. Now it's a party!

Well, it was a party....

That was a good place to get raped and deaded. And sometimes not in that order.

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They tore down Techwood Homes for the Olympics, that got rid of one of the worst areas next to campus. I think GSU actually has it worse, GT main campus is fairly well-defined (the section over by Technology Square on the other side of the interstate, not so well), GSU mixes in more with non-school buildings.

Ahhh, Techwood Homes. Now it's a party!

Well, it was a party....

That was a good place to get raped and deaded. And sometimes not in that order.

Yep, lived in Techweed my freshman year, heard lots of gunshots, and there were a number of pockmarks on the sides of the building facing the projects. Also had several encounters with the denizens trying to accost us, particularly when coming and going outside the fenced in area.

Posted: 9/19/2017 2:44:26 PM EDT

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The multitool was partially open with one "leg" extended, so in the light it appeared to be a knife blade.

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Yeah. saw that. One thing is for sure. Guy wanted to die.

Posted: 9/19/2017 2:44:51 PM EDT

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G.T.P.D. needs some training on having fire extinguishers and a fire retardent blanket handy? Seriously didn't look like the vehicle needed to burn.

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Per an APD officer who responded, there were six GTPD officers on duty, two were injured seriously enough to be taken to the emergency room, two others received minor injuries. There were 150-200 protesters who overwhelmed the GTPD officers until backup could arrive from APD and GSU PD. The APD officer was in the first group to respond and take control of the area, they were joined by an additional 50 officers from various agencies (mostly APD and GSUPD). An ANTIFA protester managed to stuff a flare in the air intake of the GTPD vehicle while the initial group of APD officers was trying to break up the crowd in front of the GTPD station.

Posted: 9/19/2017 2:55:41 PM EDT

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1. When a suspect approaches an officer with an object in his hand saying 'Shoot me" after repeated commands to stop that he evidently understood, I dont think the officer is culpable in the shooting.

2. It's weird that a US campus PD in this day and age does not have issue Tasers.

3. Gender dysphoria is a symptom of mental illness. I dont understand how people encourage the symptom and are later shocked at the results.

Posted: 9/19/2017 2:57:42 PM EDT

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Maybe APD can just let GA Tech fend for itself. It's in a pretty rough neighborhood.

At least, when I lived there it was. Things may well have changed.

Posted: 9/19/2017 3:00:14 PM EDT

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1. When a suspect approaches an officer with an object in his hand saying 'Shoot me" after repeated commands to stop that he evidently understood, I dont think the officer is culpable in the shooting.

2. It's weird that a US campus PD in this day and age does not have issue Tasers.

3. Gender dysphoria is a symptom of mental illness. I dont understand how people encourage the symptom and are later shocked at the results.

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I am going to have a party when Bradley Manning finally suck starts his kel-tec .32

Posted: 9/19/2017 3:03:43 PM EDT

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If they act that way with a totally justified incident, imagine what they'd do if it was a bad shot.

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Do you think these fucks really know the difference?

Posted: 9/19/2017 3:05:02 PM EDT

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They tore down Techwood Homes for the Olympics, that got rid of one of the worst areas next to campus. I think GSU actually has it worse, GT main campus is fairly well-defined (the section over by Technology Square on the other side of the interstate, not so well), GSU mixes in more with non-school buildings.

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I did a 9 month tour in Techwood dorms in the mid 80s.

That’s right. I’ve got the thousand yard stare.