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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:16:42 AM EDT
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In all seriousness... it gets a little tin foil hat-y, but it has been rumored that the state DNR's purposely brought in coyote to control the deer populations. The DNR didn't realize that coyotes were such an opportunist and would rather pick off quail which roost on the ground. Well...that's one theory anyway. Then there are the turkey.... of course, big farmers buying out smaller farms didn't help either...and pulling up the fences and farming from one ditch to the next ditch took away a lot of their cover. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:17:31 AM EDT
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Yep OP is a cool mofo with a cool job!
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:18:07 AM EDT
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Just wondering OP, do you collect the doe pee at your ranch?
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:21:00 AM EDT
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I think all of the haters are funny. It's like the hardcore bow hunters. Somebody does things differently, so obviously they're they devil.
These deer aren't pets. They aren't kept in a 10'x10' pen until they're going to be shot. This is a ranch that is most likely at least a thousand acres. Sure, you'd have a better chance seeing a monster buck on this place but it's still a hunt. You don't just walk out the door of your luxury cabin and shoot a 200+" buck. The guides have to know the property and the patterns of the deer. Is it like hunting public land? Absolutely not. It's still hunting and still supports the sport. The people ranting about it are the same types of people that say their old '06 is ok, but those AK15's should be banned. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:29:49 AM EDT
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fudding is serious business i'll repeat, 2nd has nothing to do with hunting cracks me up the first thing a fudd does is question your manhood because you don't fudd  I have done guided hunts and fishing trips all over the country and into Mexico and South America though. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:32:53 AM EDT
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Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge operating a business where there's a profit. More power to the OP on that front. I just think it's ridiculous that 99.9% of these trophy's will be proudly displayed on the walls of buffoon's that will act as though they are master hunters. They will be able to carry on a great cocktail party conversations with all the people that had guides drag them to the top of Everest. Are you going to say the guided hunts and fishing trips I've been on make me not a hunter or angler? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:38:04 AM EDT
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Yeah i would still call this a canned hunt in that taking a trophy deer there vs "fair Chase" is a big difference. Nothing immoral about it though. Business is business and 150acres is plenty of land to get lost in.
If I had the money id definitely give it a try. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:42:27 AM EDT
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Are you really going to say that having a guide take you up Everest makes your climb less noteworthy? Are you going to say the guided hunts and fishing trips I've been on make me not a hunter or angler? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge operating a business where there's a profit. More power to the OP on that front. I just think it's ridiculous that 99.9% of these trophy's will be proudly displayed on the walls of buffoon's that will act as though they are master hunters. They will be able to carry on a great cocktail party conversations with all the people that had guides drag them to the top of Everest. Are you going to say the guided hunts and fishing trips I've been on make me not a hunter or angler? I look at stuff like this more as decor than a trophy. Just my opinion though and its still awesome to see. Its just different is all. Yes fair Chase game shows more knowledge and dedication. Sometimes by choice. Often by financial necessity |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:43:25 AM EDT
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Glad to see everyone in TX isnt retarded. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:49:09 AM EDT
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Can you send me one of those nice large pair of antlers?
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:56:02 AM EDT
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From someone in ISR calling Texans retards? Isn't Y'alls idea of hunting you and the Palestinians throwing rocks at each other? Nice place man - stay there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:00:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:08:15 AM EDT
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never underestimate the determination of a fudd hunting big game in the east is done, it's a joke now, i get a kick out of watching the local fudds get frustrated because there's nothing to kill canned hunts are the future, there's profit to be made evident by this thread this bears repeating the 2nd has nothing to do with hunting Quote HistoryQuoted:
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WTF? Not only do you Texans bait deer with corn now you raise them in a pen until they're big enough to shoot? And people pay those ridiculous prices? hunting big game in the east is done, it's a joke now, i get a kick out of watching the local fudds get frustrated because there's nothing to kill canned hunts are the future, there's profit to be made evident by this thread this bears repeating the 2nd has nothing to do with hunting |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:27:39 AM EDT
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ITT we see people demonstrate ignorance.
And if you think those prices are high, look at the King Ranch website. @Pirkle Arfcom discount for aoudad? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:31:44 AM EDT
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fudding is serious business i'll repeat, 2nd has nothing to do with hunting cracks me up the first thing a fudd does is question your manhood because you don't fudd Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How big does a fenced area have to be not be a canned hunt for you naysayers? Is stocking a pond with bass canned fishing? Bunch of slack jawed faggots up in here. i'll repeat, 2nd has nothing to do with hunting cracks me up the first thing a fudd does is question your manhood because you don't fudd Quit throwing hunting arms under the bus. The 2nd Amendment applies to keeping and bearing any arms, including hunting arms. Read a Constitution book some time. 
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:35:03 AM EDT
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ITT we see people demonstrate ignorance. And if you think those prices are high, look at the King Ranch website. @Pirkle Arfcom discount for aoudad? Low fence giants can draw a premium price. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:44:04 AM EDT
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I think the King is still Low fence giants can draw a premium price. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ITT we see people demonstrate ignorance. And if you think those prices are high, look at the King Ranch website. @Pirkle Arfcom discount for aoudad? Low fence giants can draw a premium price. 
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:50:24 AM EDT
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We have to blunt bucking bulls horns to size of a half dollar to conform to PBR rules they bleed like all hell. Do deer bleed profusely when you cut the antlers? Horns grow continuously and are "hollow." That means that the corn of a horn is living tissue. Horns continuously grow and are composed of material very much like our hair. Antlers, once they have grown for the season have solid interiors with no living tissues. Antlers are grown and shed annually. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 12:02:00 PM EDT
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lol @ the haters in this thread.
Just like the similar thread last week. 
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Posted: 9/19/2017 12:08:02 PM EDT
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Nice looking deer but not my cup of tea. If I paying thousands of dollars I would rather go with a guide and hunt one of the wildernesses
out west. That said, I'm not bothered by people who do this. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 12:27:05 PM EDT
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I find it interesting that those who a bitching about this method of hunting, choose to not state their location. I would be interested to hear from some of these folks where they are from and what their life experiences are related to the outdoors. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 12:40:19 PM EDT
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hunting is dead in the east, all that's left are canned hunts or a derivative of it Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I find it interesting that those who a bitching about this method of hunting, choose to not state their location. I would be interested to hear from some of these folks where they are from and what their life experiences are related to the outdoors. No public land to hunt or what? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 1:22:48 PM EDT
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??? I thought places like GA and PA were swimming in deer? No public land to hunt or what? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I find it interesting that those who a bitching about this method of hunting, choose to not state their location. I would be interested to hear from some of these folks where they are from and what their life experiences are related to the outdoors. No public land to hunt or what? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 1:23:09 PM EDT
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The haters are ignorant as hell around here.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 1:25:15 PM EDT
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hunting is dead in the east, all that's left are canned hunts or a derivative of it wma or  I'm unaware of any canned hunts around here. Everyone I know goes to either a WMA or private land that they either own or is owned by someone they know.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 1:28:58 PM EDT
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Quote Historyhunting is dead in the east, all that's left are canned hunts or a derivative of it I can hunt deer, bear, coyote, the occasional elk, and others all on our private land, without seeing another person or doing anything that you would call "canned" in any way. How is that what you are describing? Just to be clear- private land, not a club, not fenced, not managed, couple hundred acres in the mountains on the Virginia / West Virginia line. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 1:31:30 PM EDT
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Texas did fine until "assholes" invaded. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 1:32:28 PM EDT
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Why this misconception still lives on a gun forum is a source of frustration. Quit throwing hunting arms under the bus. The 2nd Amendment applies to keeping and bearing any arms, including hunting arms. Read a Constitution book some time. 
"shall not be infringed" main and first purpose is to ensure the citizenry is equally armed as it's government a proceeding benefit of "shall not be infringed" is the ability to have access to firearms for every other usage, beyond the above main intent to suggest ones right to fudd with a firearm is the same or equal as ones right to arm against foes foreign or domestic is ludicrous a fudd is no friend to liberty |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 1:37:32 PM EDT
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Pirkle threads are always cool.
Nice pics man. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 1:39:37 PM EDT
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Pirkle threads are always cool. Nice pics man. This thread got hijerked by some penises. 
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Posted: 9/19/2017 1:41:02 PM EDT
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??? I thought places like GA and PA were swimming in deer? No public land to hunt or what? i.e. the massive tracks of commercially farmed land that abnormally support herd populations this literally is the only way the local fudds make kills, they are invited to come cull the herds, but make no mistake this is canned fudding raised shooting positions and lines every few hundred yards it's a joke but hey whatever floats your boat it is a free country |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 1:51:51 PM EDT
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Not sure what you mean by that, at all. I can hunt deer, bear, coyote, the occasional elk, and others all on our private land, without seeing another person or doing anything that you would call "canned" in any way. How is that what you are describing? Just to be clear- private land, not a club, not fenced, not managed, couple hundred acres in the mountains on the Virginia / West Virginia line. what you are describing is an exception not the rule i live in the Southern Appalachians, no one fudds here because it's a waste of time, they all go to canned fudding land in SC OP no disrespect you are conducting a legitimate business which is in demand, nothing wrong with it but you are a purveyor of fiction |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 2:01:56 PM EDT
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I think all of the haters are funny. It's like the hardcore bow hunters. Somebody does things differently, so obviously they're they devil. These deer aren't pets. They aren't kept in a 10'x10' pen until they're going to be shot. This is a ranch that is most likely at least a thousand acres. Sure, you'd have a better chance seeing a monster buck on this place but it's still a hunt. You don't just walk out the door of your luxury cabin and shoot a 200+" buck. The guides have to know the property and the patterns of the deer. Is it like hunting public land? Absolutely not. It's still hunting and still supports the sport. The people ranting about it are the same types of people that say their old '06 is ok, but those AK15's should be banned. If you use a gun, that's not hunting. If you use a compound bow, that's not hunting... If you use dogs, that's not hunting. If you drive the deer, that's not hunting. If you sit in a stand, that's not hunting. For the love of Saint Hubertus, get over it. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 2:15:27 PM EDT
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notice i said a derivative of a canned hunt i.e. the massive tracks of commercially farmed land that abnormally support herd populations this literally is the only way the local fudds make kills, they are invited to come cull the herds, but make no mistake this is canned fudding raised shooting positions and lines every few hundred yards it's a joke but hey whatever floats your boat it is a free country Quote HistoryQuoted:
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??? I thought places like GA and PA were swimming in deer? No public land to hunt or what? i.e. the massive tracks of commercially farmed land that abnormally support herd populations this literally is the only way the local fudds make kills, they are invited to come cull the herds, but make no mistake this is canned fudding raised shooting positions and lines every few hundred yards it's a joke but hey whatever floats your boat it is a free country Do you realize how ignorant you sound? I'm sorry you're too lazy to get out and look for a place to hunt, but that's on you. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 2:50:11 PM EDT
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I think the King is still low fence. Low fence giants can draw a premium price. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ITT we see people demonstrate ignorance. And if you think those prices are high, look at the King Ranch website. @Pirkle Arfcom discount for aoudad? Low fence giants can draw a premium price. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 2:56:28 PM EDT
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"shall not be infringed" main and first purpose is to ensure the citizenry is equally armed as it's government a proceeding benefit of "shall not be infringed" is the ability to have access to firearms for every other usage, beyond the above main intent to suggest ones right to fudd with a firearm is the same or equal as ones right to arm against foes foreign or domestic is ludicrous a fudd is no friend to liberty Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why this misconception still lives on a gun forum is a source of frustration. Quit throwing hunting arms under the bus. The 2nd Amendment applies to keeping and bearing any arms, including hunting arms. Read a Constitution book some time.
"shall not be infringed" main and first purpose is to ensure the citizenry is equally armed as it's government a proceeding benefit of "shall not be infringed" is the ability to have access to firearms for every other usage, beyond the above main intent to suggest ones right to fudd with a firearm is the same or equal as ones right to arm against foes foreign or domestic is ludicrous a fudd is no friend to liberty The Heller decision was clear that hunting arms are no less protected. Read a Constitution book and learn what "shall not be infringed" means before you advocate for restrictions on a Right.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:05:32 PM EDT
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So crybabies here are comparing "public hunting lands" of a couple hundred acres to "private hunting land" that's most likely thousands of acres?? And the private land is the canned hunt??
Yeah I know out west the tracts are much bigger. But it seems like the loudest are from out east. The stupidity of GD knows no bounds. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:09:37 PM EDT
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Agreed. Hunters should support each other's hunting even if it's not what you think is as sporting as how you do it. If you use a gun, that's not hunting. If you use a compound bow, that's not hunting... If you use dogs, that's not hunting. If you drive the deer, that's not hunting. If you sit in a stand, that's not hunting. For the love of Saint Hubertus, get over it. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:17:26 PM EDT
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In all of those scenarios you're at least killing a wild animal. Breeding things in pens for "hunting" is different, more like a pheasant or quail farm. Breeding things in pens to bring out unnatural characteristics is something else entirely. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Agreed. Hunters should support each other's hunting even if it's not what you think is as sporting as how you do it. If you use a gun, that's not hunting. If you use a compound bow, that's not hunting... If you use dogs, that's not hunting. If you drive the deer, that's not hunting. If you sit in a stand, that's not hunting. For the love of Saint Hubertus, get over it. It's that simple, unless your ass somehow got hurt. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:22:00 PM EDT
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"shall not be infringed" main and first purpose is to ensure the citizenry is equally armed as it's government a proceeding benefit of "shall not be infringed" is the ability to have access to firearms for every other usage, beyond the above main intent to suggest ones right to fudd with a firearm is the same or equal as ones right to arm against foes foreign or domestic is ludicrous a fudd is no friend to liberty just stop. you are not a friend to the 2nd with that crap. Fudds are equally protected under the second. The militia is a subordinate clause. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:28:38 PM EDT
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Agreed. Hunters should support each other's hunting even if it's not what you think is as sporting as how you do it. If you use a gun, that's not hunting. If you use a compound bow, that's not hunting... If you use dogs, that's not hunting. If you drive the deer, that's not hunting. If you sit in a stand, that's not hunting. For the love of Saint Hubertus, get over it. That's a completely different conversation than the conversation about what your hunting. Are you hunting free range wild animals? Or are you hunting deer that were bred and born in captivity? Deer that were handled by humans multiple times? Deer that had their antlers cut off so they wouldn't injure eachother when they are in confined spaces during transportation. In that case we are talking about the difference between hunting and harvesting livestock. What the OP is describing is harvesting livestock. These are not wild animals. They may look like they're wild, they may behave much like wild animals, but they are livestock. They are in fact legally livestock in most if not all states where this takes place. And the manner in which they are harvested is not hunting. They are penned animals. The pen may be very large and they animal may not encounter the fence often. But they are penned animals. and the hunter may dress in camo, and he may have to pursue the animal to some extent. He may have to find it and pattern it in order to get a shot, but its not the same as pursuing a truly free range wild animal. It has as much in common with walking out to a pasture and shooting a steer as it does with hunting. And again, I have no problem with it. If you enjoy it then more power to you. Just don't call it real hunting. It's not. I've never hunted deer that way. Have no desire to. It doesn't appeal to me at all. I'd take no pride in the result. It just doesn't make sense to me. On the other hand,I have done canned bird hunts. A pheasant tower shoot. It was a lot of fun. It wasn't a hunt though. So I don't have some moral objection to canned hunts. Knock your socks off. I'm just trying to illustrate that there IS a difference. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:29:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:30:03 PM EDT
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How big of a ranch is the place you work? I help out year around on a ~9000 acre cattle ranch, in east Texas, with game management. No hunting or pen raising/breeding/selling, the owner just likes to see monster bucks when he visits. (Largest to come off the place was 256") I am loling at people bitching about picking a deer to shoot. We might see a particular buck and not see it in person or on camera again for 2-3 years |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:30:15 PM EDT
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How big of a ranch is the place you work? I help out year around on a ~9000 acre cattle ranch, in east Texas, with game management. No hunting or pen raising/breeding/selling, the owner just likes to see monster bucks when he visits. (Largest to come off the place was 256") I am loling at people bitching about picking a deer to shoot. We might see a particular buck and not see it in person or on camera again for 2-3 years |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:34:04 PM EDT
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very cool
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:35:08 PM EDT
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I'm more impressed that you got a deer into a squeeze chute.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:39:11 PM EDT
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Then don't patronize the business. It's that simple, unless your ass somehow got hurt. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:45:25 PM EDT
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$3,000-$10,000 for a damn farm deer in a high fence shoot LOL a fool and their money. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:46:37 PM EDT
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I find it interesting that those who a bitching about this method of hunting, choose to not state their location. I would be interested to hear from some of these folks where they are from and what their life experiences are related to the outdoors. No public land to hunt or what? I love what OP does. They are breeding rare animals for profit which supports the animal population. Free market in action. Someday they may be the only place on earth that has some of those animals, because the goat fuckers have no concept of preservation. Deer may not be rare but they supplement the wild population. OP just curious, are deer assholes or just garden variety ornery to work around? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:49:02 PM EDT
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Every example you just gave is about the manner of take. Or the tools and methods applied to getting your deer. The weapons, the style of hunting. That's a completely different conversation than the conversation about what your hunting. Are you hunting free range wild animals? Or are you hunting deer that were bred and born in captivity? Deer that were handled by humans multiple times? Deer that had their antlers cut off so they wouldn't injure eachother when they are in confined spaces during transportation. In that case we are talking about the difference between hunting and harvesting livestock. What the OP is describing is harvesting livestock. These are not wild animals. They may look like they're wild, they may behave much like wild animals, but they are livestock. They are in fact legally livestock in most if not all states where this takes place. And the manner in which they are harvested is not hunting. They are penned animals. The pen may be very large and they animal may not encounter the fence often. But they are penned animals. and the hunter may dress in camo, and he may have to pursue the animal to some extent. He may have to find it and pattern it in order to get a shot, but its not the same as pursuing a truly free range wild animal. It has as much in common with walking out to a pasture and shooting a steer as it does with hunting. And again, I have no problem with it. If you enjoy it then more power to you. Just don't call it real hunting. It's not. I've never hunted deer that way. Have no desire to. It doesn't appeal to me at all. I'd take no pride in the result. It just doesn't make sense to me. On the other hand,I have done canned bird hunts. A pheasant tower shoot. It was a lot of fun. It wasn't a hunt though. So I don't have some moral objection to canned hunts. Knock your socks off. I'm just trying to illustrate that there IS a difference. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Agreed. Hunters should support each other's hunting even if it's not what you think is as sporting as how you do it. If you use a gun, that's not hunting. If you use a compound bow, that's not hunting... If you use dogs, that's not hunting. If you drive the deer, that's not hunting. If you sit in a stand, that's not hunting. For the love of Saint Hubertus, get over it. That's a completely different conversation than the conversation about what your hunting. Are you hunting free range wild animals? Or are you hunting deer that were bred and born in captivity? Deer that were handled by humans multiple times? Deer that had their antlers cut off so they wouldn't injure eachother when they are in confined spaces during transportation. In that case we are talking about the difference between hunting and harvesting livestock. What the OP is describing is harvesting livestock. These are not wild animals. They may look like they're wild, they may behave much like wild animals, but they are livestock. They are in fact legally livestock in most if not all states where this takes place. And the manner in which they are harvested is not hunting. They are penned animals. The pen may be very large and they animal may not encounter the fence often. But they are penned animals. and the hunter may dress in camo, and he may have to pursue the animal to some extent. He may have to find it and pattern it in order to get a shot, but its not the same as pursuing a truly free range wild animal. It has as much in common with walking out to a pasture and shooting a steer as it does with hunting. And again, I have no problem with it. If you enjoy it then more power to you. Just don't call it real hunting. It's not. I've never hunted deer that way. Have no desire to. It doesn't appeal to me at all. I'd take no pride in the result. It just doesn't make sense to me. On the other hand,I have done canned bird hunts. A pheasant tower shoot. It was a lot of fun. It wasn't a hunt though. So I don't have some moral objection to canned hunts. Knock your socks off. I'm just trying to illustrate that there IS a difference. |
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