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Posted: 9/18/2017 10:22:06 PM EDT
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I do not support open container laws.
I don't support the majority of laws on our books for that matter. We could cut the legal code by 90% and get along not just fine, but better than we are now. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 10:29:57 PM EDT
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A LEO would sure stay busy in farm country here in OK if they checked all these guys coming from the field after a long, hard day.
There is a routine around here that you can see every morning. Real early the farmers and hired hands will be buying diesel, hitting the farm supply store and making a swing by the quick stop for bagged ice, soft drinks and beer, then they head out for the day. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 10:37:22 PM EDT
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A LEO would sure stay busy in farm country here in OK if they checked all these guys coming from the field after a long, hard day. There is a routine around here that you can see every morning. Real early the farmers and hired hands will be buying diesel, hitting the farm supply store and making a swing by the quick stop for bagged ice, soft drinks and beer, then they head out for the day. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 10:38:54 PM EDT
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It was a wonderful feeling walking down the street in Las Vegas with a fifth of Bulleit Bourbon. It felt like freedom.
Now that I'm in NC, I have to pay more for a fifth of it at the state run liquor store than a handle costs at Costco in Phoenix. 
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Posted: 9/18/2017 10:40:43 PM EDT
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No. It's not about public safety it's about teetotalers objecting to all alcohol consumption. I also bet that the advocacy groups like MADD have to keep the donations flowing somehow.
Drunk driving --> "drinking and driving" --> no "open containers" --> breathalyzers installed on all new vehicles And of course in many states anything that's accessible to the driver qualifies as an open container, so any alcohol has to be locked in the trunk or something. I'm not even sure if I'm technically breaking the law by putting the beer in my truck's cab along with the groceries after shopping, but the advice is to put it in the bed and not risk it. It's a ridiculous situation. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 10:42:26 PM EDT
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No. It's not about public safety it's about teetotalers objecting to all alcohol consumption. I also bet that the advocacy groups like MADD have to keep the donations flowing somehow. Drunk driving --> "drinking and driving" --> no "open containers" --> breathalyzers installed on all new vehicles And of course in many states anything that's accessible to the driver qualifies as an open container, so any alcohol has to be locked in the trunk or something. I'm not even sure if I'm technically breaking the law by putting the beer in my truck's cab along with the groceries after shopping, but the advice is to put it in the bed and not risk it. It's a ridiculous situation. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 7:54:01 AM EDT
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Specifically, laws that prohibit you from, say, drinking a beer in the parking lot of a grocery store or something. I was thinking about it earlier, as I was drinking a beer, and had to walk down the street (about six houses) to tell my kids to come home from their friend's house and do homework and such. I thought about taking my beer with me, but figured there was a small risk a cop might drive past and bother me about it. It seems pretty stupid that I have to worry about such a thing. your post say walk down the street. ow does that relate to having an open container in a car? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:00:25 AM EDT
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It's good they exist, because for every reasonable person like the OP...you're going to get 10+ that are going to walk around in public $h1t faced and stumbling around...talking about how "it's legal to have an open container"...so they aren't doing anything wrong.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:02:50 AM EDT
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your post say walk down the street. ow does that relate to having an open container in a car? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:12:25 AM EDT
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I got a ticket on Ft. Benning for having beer missing from a 12 pack, but no actual open beers. The case of beer is the "container" in Georgia apparently.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:20:40 AM EDT
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Stupid laws, and not enforced if you are polite and not sloppy, at least in my experience.  |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:32:27 AM EDT
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I got a ticket on Ft. Benning for having beer missing from a 12 pack, but no actual open beers. The case of beer is the "container" in Georgia apparently. The turd working the checkpoint not only pulled him off the bus, he put him face down on the flight line.  I'm sure he went back to the barracks after his shift LOL'ing about how he got to put an officer face down on the concrete.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:35:04 AM EDT
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Open container laws are written to empower cops with authority over the town drunk.
The balance has to be struck between controlling the alcoholic/drunks and a peaceable party (outdoor BBQ in neighborhood). |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:47:27 AM EDT
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Alcohol laws in the US are insane. In Europe 15 yo kids can buy beer and OMG the sky doesnt fall.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:01:41 AM EDT
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People are bad drunk people are even worse
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:45:41 AM EDT
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Seriously. Fucking terrifying. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No. Freedom is scary. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:45:56 AM EDT
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Maybe read my post again. I wasn't talking about open containers in a car. I was talking about laws that forbid alcohol consumption in public areas. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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your post say walk down the street. ow does that relate to having an open container in a car? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:04:45 AM EDT
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No surprise you are making excuses for the .gov telling people how to live their lives due to the actions of a few idiots. Often the representatives will want to study a problem to death, even if they have a solution they'd prefer to try. Sometimes to see if there might be alternatives, sometimes to validate the course of action they've decided to take. In our case, the local student bars in the downtown bars were clustered around a particular part of the city core that saw a lot of pedestrian traffic. A secondary area of concern was the bars outside of the student ghettos around the university. There was a recurring problem with some drunks wanting to lurch out of the bars and create problems for the general public. The general public has an expectation that they can go about their business unmolested by a drunk standing there with his drink in hand; a reasonable expectation. The law in question nipped the problems that were occurring, with no undue burden on anyone who could behave themselves.If you want to drink, stay in the bar. No one was preventing a homeowner from drinking on his own property. Someone else suggested that there might be other options for officers to address the issue. Sure, the person being harassed could sign a statement. But that would entail them showing up in court potentially, or create an undue burden on them. With a local law violation, the officer needs no complainant. He sees the violation and is the complainant who would be appearing in court. It doesn't surprise me that there are some here who think that uncouth drunks should be allowed to totter around the streets with their drinks in hand, harassing the general public that just wants to be left alone as they walk down the street |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:07:47 AM EDT
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It's good they exist so that idiots in the city bar hopping will at least keep the sloppiness mostly inside the establishments. It's bad they exist for reasons like yours, one guy drinking one beer and having to walk down the sidewalk to the neighbors. You probably could technically have avoided it by just walking through the neighbors front lawns (private property) instead of taking the sidewalk. Some places are starting to change those laws for certain areas. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:10:34 AM EDT
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Heck I want to know why I can't buy a 12pack on my way home when I get off work at 4AM Can't get a Bloody Mary at certain airports before noon on Sunday. Or more recently before 8:00 a.m. on weekday. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:10:55 AM EDT
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No I do not and have received a citation for the violation thereof. I'm like some kind of modern-day Henry David Thoreau.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:15:10 AM EDT
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No surprise you are making excuses for the .gov telling people how to live their lives due to the actions of a few idiots. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The world would not have fucking ended if cops were denied this one minor "tool in their toolbox." Look at the security they have at airports now, just a few guys decided to fly an airplane into a building. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:49:50 AM EDT
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That varies by location. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Stupid laws, and not enforced if you are polite and not sloppy, at least in my experience. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:52:15 AM EDT
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Laws aren't created in a vacuum. A problem is identified, and then it becomes the responsibility of our elected leaders to craft a response to try to solve the problem, usually at the behest of the citizens that elected those representatives. Often the representatives will want to study a problem to death, even if they have a solution they'd prefer to try. Sometimes to see if there might be alternatives, sometimes to validate the course of action they've decided to take. In our case, the local student bars in the downtown bars were clustered around a particular part of the city core that saw a lot of pedestrian traffic. A secondary area of concern was the bars outside of the student ghettos around the university. There was a recurring problem with some drunks wanting to lurch out of the bars and create problems for the general public. The general public has an expectation that they can go about their business unmolested by a drunk standing there with his drink in hand; a reasonable expectation. The law in question nipped the problems that were occurring, with no undue burden on anyone who could behave themselves.If you want to drink, stay in the bar. No one was preventing a homeowner from drinking on his own property. Someone else suggested that there might be other options for officers to address the issue. Sure, the person being harassed could sign a statement. But that would entail them showing up in court potentially, or create an undue burden on them. With a local law violation, the officer needs no complainant. He sees the violation and is the complainant who would be appearing in court. It doesn't surprise me that there are some here who think that uncouth drunks should be allowed to totter around the streets with their drinks in hand, harassing the general public that just wants to be left alone as they walk down the street |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:54:27 AM EDT
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I think you are seriously overstating the frequency with which this occurred in the bad old days. It was an area with a high concentration of student and townie bars, in the pedestrian-heavy center of town around a three block pedestrian mall. It was not an uncommon occurrence by any means. I recall that on a busy weekend in warm weather the crowds would spill out of the bar, many with drinks in hand, and block the sidewalks. That's back when the drinking age was 18, and you'd see a different clientele at many of the old bars than what you see today in the surviving bars. It was a different era in general. Many of the bars sponsored softball teams ( non-drinking example I know, just thought of something I haven't seen in a while ). Many of the downtown bars were more of a blue collar and student tilt than what's there now. A couple of blocks of that part of town have lost a lot of those old bars , and the ones left are more yuppified bars, and they have little dining areas on the sidewalk cordoned off with ropes and stanchions where their customers can sit and eat and drink and talk. The Collegetown bars inevitably changed as well as the drinking age crept up from 18 to 21 in the 80s. But yeah, it was a different era. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:55:25 AM EDT
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I have issues with the current law. I could have a drink and be done with it.
The law is for those who are boozehounds |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:56:31 AM EDT
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When I did valet roughly 100% of the folks that dropped off their cars with open booze in the vehicle were drunk.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:07:04 AM EDT
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Back when I was a park ranger we called it the mandatory litter law.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:08:32 AM EDT
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Back when I was a park ranger we called it the mandatory litter law. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:10:30 AM EDT
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The earth's crust is full of aluminum. What's the problem? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Back when I was a park ranger we called it the mandatory litter law. Who the hell buys cheap beer in bottles?
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Posted: 9/19/2017 12:35:35 PM EDT
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PSA: you can fit 2 full beers in the large yeti cups
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Posted: 9/19/2017 12:45:01 PM EDT
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The problem was hitting glass bottles with a mower where little kids play. Who the hell buys cheap beer in bottles? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 12:57:14 PM EDT
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Are they physically harming anyone while they do it? Then NO there shouldn't be a law against.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 12:57:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2017 1:39:48 PM EDT
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In OK, if they're buying beer "real early," all they're getting is 3.2% beer. Liquor stores that sell the real stuff aren't open until 9. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 1:42:28 PM EDT
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i don't support any laws that don't break someones arm or pick their pocket
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Posted: 9/19/2017 1:45:04 PM EDT
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If you don't have those rules it gets out of hand. Why would you want to legalize losers drinking on the street corner?
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Posted: 9/19/2017 2:03:32 PM EDT
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Anything that reduces drinking and driving is OK with me. Prohibiting someone from drinking while they are just walking down the street seems like a bit much, as long as they aren't a danger to themselves, or anyone else.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 2:07:55 PM EDT
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If you don't have those rules it gets out of hand. Why would you want to legalize losers concealing guns on the street corner? Look how scary freedom is when you change 1 word |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 2:17:32 PM EDT
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Beer sucks arse.
 Don't give a flip. You got to drink that swamp piss, drink it in the privacy of your home and nobody is bothered when you get drunk and act .......        
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Posted: 9/19/2017 2:36:05 PM EDT
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Lol Look how scary freedom is when you change 1 word Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you don't have those rules it gets out of hand. Why would you want to legalize losers concealing guns on the street corner? Look how scary freedom is when you change 1 word You're absolutely correct: 
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:01:59 PM EDT
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"....legalize losers concealing guns on the street corner" You're absolutely correct: https://panampost.com/wp-content/uploads/MS-13-LA.jpg http://miseeharris.com/wp-content/uploads/gang-members-long-island-new-york-high-school-MS-13.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ea/68/94/ea6894ddc61695e88f226a27e1b0972e--gang-members-blood.jpg https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSNF_WKiw5Qz03zAj-RxHrL-RLiouYhgcrTMwyBXpnN2AMvi6bW https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1cdjsTylb7A/hqdefault.jpg |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:03:52 PM EDT
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I'm a proper Arfcom GD resident. The only law I support is the Law of the Jungle.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:04:26 PM EDT
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are you admitting that not everyone should have the same rights guaranteed by the constitution? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:06:21 PM EDT
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No. Open container laws encourage littering. Nothing wrong with a road soda if you're sober.
I can't even technically take empty bottles to the recycler. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:06:34 PM EDT
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I don't drink but I didnt know you couldn't walk and drink beer.
Solution, buy rootbeer and your beer. Give rootbeer to kids, pour out your beer into rootbeer can and go for a walk. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 6:46:21 PM EDT
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Heh. No open container laws here. (Well, OK, you can't have an open glass container between Esplanade and Canal, from North Rampart to the river, but everything else is fine, and glass is legal outside of the Quarter.)
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Posted: 9/19/2017 6:47:15 PM EDT
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Because alcohol causes biological initation of force (I.E. You do destructive crap when drunk) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can drink anything else in public, why not beer? Also, having been a late swing shift worker at one time, I too wonder why beer at 4am cannot be had. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:10:27 PM EDT
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Lol Look how scary freedom is when you change 1 word |
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