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Posted: 9/18/2017 8:37:58 PM EDT
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CJ would be the right answer, not mine but a quality restoration. I'm looking for a CJ 3B like below. https://cdn.barrett-jackson.com/staging/carlist/items/Fullsize/Cars/91710/91710_Front_3-4_Web.JPG 
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Posted: 9/18/2017 8:41:11 PM EDT
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Poll fail
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Posted: 9/18/2017 8:41:53 PM EDT
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I'll believe it when I see it. They have been teasing a diesel option for 20 years and have yet to release anything more than prototypes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a CJ7, but I voted JK. However, the 2018+ JL will be King Jeep, especially with the diesel option. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/324728/jeep-310812.JPG They have been teasing a diesel option for 20 years and have yet to release anything more than prototypes. 
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Posted: 9/18/2017 8:42:09 PM EDT
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Fake jeep doesn't even offer lockers as an option The best jeep with stock options is... hands down a JK |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 8:47:08 PM EDT
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Well golly gee. I guess you're ready for the big boy trails then. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 8:53:12 PM EDT
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LOL...and we paid less and got more...LOL Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well golly gee. I guess you're ready for the big boy trails then. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 8:53:56 PM EDT
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To build for something purpose built? Give me an XJ all day long.
Straight off the showroom floor, that'd be the JK. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 8:54:07 PM EDT
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I'd agree, I think while all of the past few Jeeps have been incredibly solid, the TJ/LJ was the pinnacle of offroadability without becoming too soft. The JK, while still an awesome rig has started the descent down the opposite side of the hill. If I left my top off on the TJ in a rainstorm I'd be like eh, I'm just gonna have a wet ass on the ride home. In a JK, I'd probably start worrying about electrical gremlins. Love my CJ, but they're well known for their problems. YJs have square headlights and thus are wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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TJ....because coil springs, 4.0L engine, can still find good examples not completely ate up with rust, Tons of aftermarket support. Love my CJ, but they're well known for their problems. YJs have square headlights and thus are wrong. We pulled the carpet and the drain plugs and just let it dry out over the next few days. Nothing like ejecting a CD and having water run out. I was worried, but we never had any electrical problems. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 8:59:49 PM EDT
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JKs are for two types of people:
1) MILFs B) Guys who want to appear adventuresome without having to be adventurous. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:03:37 PM EDT
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ZJ baby.
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:03:37 PM EDT
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Based on the rig you posted it appears you paid more and got less. Edit to add. 36K base trail teams 3 inch lift Baja rack hella lights nitto terra grapplers radio and antenna trailer is a bantam t3-c built in 1945. Serial #295. I took it to the bare metal and back up with a tongue extension and electrical mods. The tent is a tepui kukenam. The FJ as it stands has less than 2.5K in mods. The trailer is worth about 4,500.00 if i got out what I put in. Oh, and I have some sand mats...haven't used em yet. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:08:01 PM EDT
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I get you. This can be like an oil thread! 
But I can mess with a TON of cheap junk yard leaf packs and move my perches accordingly. For example, the cheap 1/2 ton Chevy mod to the rear and moving your stock rears up front on Toyota pickups. And incredibly tough and almost, almost, bullet proof. 1st video that came up and he has no lockers and no trans doubler. Not that impressive, really. More tinkering and he's got a nice machine for pennies on the dollar compared to linked rigs.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75PvOA5cBOMThis guy gets it. Dollar for dollar modified, older Toyotas are king. Off the show-room floor, I would probably take a 94 Land Cruiser with factory lockers and damn near bullet-proof transmission and engine. Too many poser JK's around here, along with the over landing modern Toyotas. My piece of shit, leaf-sprung, no-fucks-given, scrap-metal-built, Toyota.  TDS 2017 waterfall  TDS 2017 waterfall |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:11:32 PM EDT
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Not exactly sure how you measure that, but ok. By how much and based on what? I'm genuinely interested to know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Based on the rig you posted it appears you paid more and got less. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:12:53 PM EDT
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I own a CJ5 and have owned a CJ7, I voted CJ8.
While JK Rubicons are nicely equipped and extremely capable, they have become soccer mom vehicles. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:14:21 PM EDT
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You first! How did you measure it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Based on the rig you posted it appears you paid more and got less. "No you come at me, bro!" |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:15:10 PM EDT
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You first! How did you measure it? |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:18:08 PM EDT
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I own a CJ5 and have owned a CJ7, I voted CJ8. While JK Rubicons are nicely equipped and extremely capable, they have become soccer mom vehicles. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:21:14 PM EDT
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ZJ baby. Also FSJ aren't an option either, this is is just all kinds of fail
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:39:04 PM EDT
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I edited my post. Go. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You first! How did you measure it? Base 2006 LJR (44k miles): $18k Bumpers: $600 Sliders: $300 Winch: $300 Tire carrier: $300 3" lift: $1200 Fox shocks w/remote resi: $800 Tummy tuck/full skids: $800? UCF flat fenders: $225 15" Wheels/35" MTs: $1500 Bartact seat covers: $600 New top: $350 CB: $150 Novak t-case shifter: $150 PS diff covers: $200 New motor/labor: $4000
Ability to go where your FJ can't: Priceless  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:41:37 PM EDT
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I've never seen the first post nail it as hard as this.
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:46:56 PM EDT
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I've never seen the first post nail it as hard as this. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:52:55 PM EDT
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Lol. You're FJ Cruiser cannot dream of going the places even a stock TJ Wrangler will go. No way, no how. Unless you count "over landing" on fire roads off-roading. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:58:47 PM EDT
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I voted TJ because I own one and never plan to part with it. I'm guessing though that the JKs are probably better in some way. I do kinda like the freedom tops.
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Posted: 9/18/2017 10:00:50 PM EDT
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JKs are for two types of people: 1) MILFs B) Guys who want to appear adventuresome without having to be adventurous. I own a '67 CJ5 with the good old Dauntless V6. It does better than 45 because it has a Warn overdrive. It'll do 80, but will cruise happily at 65 all day long. It will go in the rough stuff pretty well, but I must admit, my wife's TJ is much easier to do the same things. I don't abuse either one, but the TJ is much more comfortable doing it. The CJ is cooler while doing it, but cool points hurt at the end of the day, like sore arms from manual steering, sore butt and back from horrible seats, kidneys feeling every rock you went over all day long... |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 10:08:54 PM EDT
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Costs are rough estimates...but close enough. Base 2006 LJR (44k miles): $18k Bumpers: $600 Sliders: $300 Winch: $300 Tire carrier: $300 3" lift: $1200 Fox shocks w/remote resi: $800 Tummy tuck/full skids: $800? UCF flat fenders: $225 15" Wheels/35" MTs: $1500 Bartact seat covers: $600 New top: $350 CB: $150 Novak t-case shifter: $150 PS diff covers: $200 New motor/labor: $4000
Ability to go where your FJ can't: Priceless https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/111557/IMG_0106-311000.JPG I'll tell the wife she should be disappoint. 
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Posted: 9/18/2017 10:17:52 PM EDT
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Lol. You're FJ Cruiser cannot dream of going the places even a stock TJ Wrangler will go. No way, no how. Unless you count "over landing" on fire roads off-roading. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 10:29:36 PM EDT
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Well golly gee. I guess you're ready for the big boy trails then.
10+ years of FJ ownership and has yet to spend a night in a shop, btw. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 10:31:56 PM EDT
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It doesn't count if you bought it used. That's an automatic win. Sweat equity is always more valuable. I'll tell the wife she should be disappoint. No one said it had to be new.
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Posted: 9/18/2017 10:44:27 PM EDT
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Poll fail, the correct answer is: XJ . I daily an XJ, I love that thing.
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Posted: 9/18/2017 10:52:36 PM EDT
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Forgot my $1200 regear to 4.88s. No one said it had to be new. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 11:20:16 PM EDT
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I have owned CJ5, CJ7. The JK/JKU is the most capable jeep so far.
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Posted: 9/18/2017 11:24:55 PM EDT
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Aside from the purists, its well accepted the JK is the most capable thus far. I liked my TJ because it was a tad smaller but that point is mute now that I have a JKU.
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Posted: 9/18/2017 11:27:00 PM EDT
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TJs because it has the coil suspension yet retains the shorter wheelbase. Best balance on and off road, as well as I love the 4.0L. Low end toque is great.
I love the CJs, close second. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 11:28:50 PM EDT
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Our daughter's TJ had a really bad ride, the suspension was way too stiff. It felt like it would tear your internal organs loose. That said, I loved to drive it.
My point of view though comes from motorcycles, Honda XL's and Yamaha XT's, they have lots of suspension travel and good dampening. To me that's they way offroad should be. The JK 4 door Jeeps are sooo fine looking. It hurts to not have one. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 11:43:30 PM EDT
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When the wife had her 07 JK it was caught a couple times in a downpour that ended up with water filling the tub up to the sills. We pulled the carpet and the drain plugs and just let it dry out over the next few days. Nothing like ejecting a CD and having water run out. I was worried, but we never had any electrical problems. Waiting for the JT Scrambler to arrive in 2019, and that will become my new DD. Maybe my CJ7 will be slightly more complete than just a bare frame by then.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 12:54:05 AM EDT
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TJ....because coil springs, 4.0L engine, can still find good examples not completely ate up with rust, Tons of aftermarket support. The older Jeeps (CJ and earlier) have character but suck for a DD, the TJ's really brought forth a modern Jeep that was capable and reasonably comfortable/reliable/etc. And good luck with the new 2018 diesel even if it actually materializes, slogging around up in the mountains at 5 mph in regen and monitoring the DEF tank should be a good time. Hopefully it will have a 4BT, with a delete and tune it'd be tits. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 3:05:10 AM EDT
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Yep, 4.0, NV3550. Proper sounding I6 motor, no minivan JK V6. Easy to work on, still was simple but had EFI for easy cold starts. The older Jeeps (CJ and earlier) have character but suck for a DD, the TJ's really brought forth a modern Jeep that was capable and reasonably comfortable/reliable/etc. And good luck with the new 2018 diesel even if it actually materializes, slogging around up in the mountains at 5 mph in regen and monitoring the DEF tank should be a good time. Hopefully it will have a 4BT, with a delete and tune it'd be tits. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 4:20:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:16:11 AM EDT
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It'll be a fiat diesel for sure, maybe the same 3.0 that's in the ram. I doubt we'll see the cummins 2.8 though, which I think would be id9eal in a 2-door wrangler. Edit to fix due to VM being owned by fiat.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:19:11 AM EDT
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That's good to know! It'd still freak me out a bit, but as long as they use good connectors I'm sure it's probably fine in most cases. Waiting for the JT Scrambler to arrive in 2019, and that will become my new DD. Maybe my CJ7 will be slightly more complete than just a bare frame by then. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:45:31 AM EDT
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It'll be a fiat diesel for sure, maybe the same 3.0 that's in the ram. I doubt we'll see the cummins 2.8 though, which I think would be ideal in a 2-door wrangler. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yep, 4.0, NV3550. Proper sounding I6 motor, no minivan JK V6. Easy to work on, still was simple but had EFI for easy cold starts. The older Jeeps (CJ and earlier) have character but suck for a DD, the TJ's really brought forth a modern Jeep that was capable and reasonably comfortable/reliable/etc. And good luck with the new 2018 diesel even if it actually materializes, slogging around up in the mountains at 5 mph in regen and monitoring the DEF tank should be a good time. Hopefully it will have a 4BT, with a delete and tune it'd be tits. 
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:01:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:04:17 AM EDT
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BEAST JEEP is BEST JEEP https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/162218/17800298_1704950882865198_8582668669893707774_n-311369.JPG
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:04:23 AM EDT
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My TJ was a POS. No mechanical problems, just small, too much cheap plastic. Rough ride, etc. The new JKs are so much better they are not even in the same category. CJs are cool, but basically antiques at this point. And leaf springs. No experience with the others.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:06:15 AM EDT
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Rough ride? Let me guess. You had big oversize 12.50 width tires? Maybe a lift with excessively stiff damping to counter body roll? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:09:17 AM EDT
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These share my driveway. Voted JK. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2117/IMG_7617-311230.JPG What lift and tire size is that on the jk? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:19:52 AM EDT
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I've had 6 Jeeps and will always have one. 85 CJ, 3 TJs (best was 04 Rubicon) and two JKs (JKR and JKUR). Currently have a JKUR. I had the most fun with the 04 TJR and would buy that one over the JKs if I didn't already have one. The TJ just feels like a Jeep. It's better in every way to me and my uses. The CJ was a lot of fun but wasn't as capable and was a much higher maintenance vehicle. The JKs are excellent vehicles but are also prone to mechanical issues and the build quality is much less than the TJ.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:37:40 AM EDT
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2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk: The World's Most Powerful SUV
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:39:43 AM EDT
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I have owned CJ5, CJ7. The JK/JKU is the most capable jeep so far. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/155513/1-311115.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/155513/IMG_5751-311116.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/155513/image_012-311118.JPG We bought my wife a 2016 JKUR 4 door the damn thing is extremely capable bone stock. Of course she has given me a list of mods she wants to make it even more so. Hers is more than the typical mall crawler it actually gets used. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:43:34 AM EDT
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WW II Willys Jeep.
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