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Posted: 8/9/2017 6:29:41 PM EDT

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That velocity seems a little paltry. Is that normal?

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?? I get 100 more fps with 120 ssts in my 6.8.

But, I just remembered, it's an 18" Lothar Walther (Precision Firearms)

Posted: 8/9/2017 7:19:46 PM EDT

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Wolf 100 grain FMJ-BT

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I agree wit dis feller.

Posted: 8/9/2017 7:24:30 PM EDT

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+1 for the wolf test!

Got the 12" faxon coming eventually and gonna get a howa mini too

Posted: 8/9/2017 7:45:51 PM EDT

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I might be able to provide an upper. I've got a wolf barrel and empty upper sitting around doing nothing. In fact, I might be able to send a 12.5" upper as well for comparison.

Interested?

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Email sent from "bitter".

Posted: 8/9/2017 8:48:39 PM EDT

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This is one sample of steel case Grendel on a hog. I have some other photos of recovered projectiles showing bent over nose and evidence of violent yawing in the tissue.

Posted: 8/9/2017 8:49:11 PM EDT

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Nice. Looks like this is going to happen. I'm in line for testing, he's doing some 5.56 tests next then I think the Grendel is back on the table. That gives me a few weeks to get everything together for it and shipped off. I don't doubt that the first rounds through both of those barrels are going to be at the gel.

If nothing else it gets me off my ass and putting those uppers together- finally.

Posted: 8/9/2017 10:12:06 PM EDT

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I am subscribing to this post. I sell a lot of Grendel uppers at my shop. I had a guy drive in from 120 miles south last night and he pick up a 20" complete upper half that we sell for $329. He topped it with a Vortex Crossfire II 6-24x50 scope. This morning he sent us a message on Facebook and attached a photo of his first 6 rounds shooting Wolf steel cased ammo. The first shot was 8 inches low 6 inches left (from my laser bore sighting at 70 yards) and his next five shots printed a nice group that looks like it measured about 1.5".

I am interested to see how the 100 grain ammo performs in the ballistic gel. I am going to cut a projectile in half (like Dave Fortier) to show my customers. Grendels are HOT sellers for me at my shop. I want to take a minute to thank LR for posting that thread about shooting 1000 yards with a Grendel becuase he is the one who got me into Grendels. My customers tend to want to mimic our shop demo guns and and I wouldn't be into the Grendel if it were not for all of the pioneers our there spreading the information about this round.

Thank you to the OP for posting the video. It was impressive to say the least.

Posted: 8/10/2017 10:25:51 AM EDT

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This is one sample of steel case Grendel on a hog. I have some other photos of recovered projectiles showing bent over nose and evidence of violent yawing in the tissue.

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/WolfSteelCaseHog_zps305d802c.jpg

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Oh yeah? Care to post them?

Posted: 8/10/2017 10:49:33 AM EDT

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Another Grendel shooter/reloader checking in. Great thread.

Somebody's got some juice to get this tacked in GD.

Posted: 8/10/2017 11:40:56 AM EDT

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This is one sample of steel case Grendel on a hog. I have some other photos of recovered projectiles showing bent over nose and evidence of violent yawing in the tissue.

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/WolfSteelCaseHog_zps305d802c.jpg

Oh yeah? Care to post them?

Imagine this sucker trying to spin through you at well over 200,000rpm...

Recovered from deer:

Posted: 8/10/2017 11:42:24 AM EDT

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100gr wolf next please.

Posted: 8/10/2017 12:48:40 PM EDT

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Posted: 8/10/2017 1:47:55 PM EDT

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Another Grendel shooter/reloader checking in. Great thread.

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Working here helps

We'll have more vids coming from Andrew soon.

Posted: 8/10/2017 5:48:57 PM EDT

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Stylz

How many FPS did you record the high speed footage at?

Posted: 8/10/2017 8:21:03 PM EDT

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Love the video and the discussion. I've been playing with the idea of getting a .50 Beowulf upper. What will the Grendel do that the Beowulf can't? Is it especially good at long distance? Serious questions, not trying to bag on the round. Appreciate any intelligent discussion.

Posted: 8/10/2017 8:45:36 PM EDT

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How many FPS did you record the high speed footage at?

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I'm not sure, the footage was shot by @bluefalcon

Posted: 8/10/2017 9:03:04 PM EDT

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Love the video and the discussion. I've been playing with the idea of getting a .50 Beowulf upper. What will the Grendel do that the Beowulf can't? Is it especially good at long distance? Serious questions, not trying to bag on the round. Appreciate any intelligent discussion.

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The Grendel has the longest distance potential of any AR15 cartridge other than maybe some special wildcat stuff. You can buy match ammo for $0.80 and steel case for $0.23.

Posted: 8/10/2017 9:34:28 PM EDT

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Imagine this sucker trying to spin through you at well over 200,000rpm...

Recovered from deer:

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/65%20Grendel%20Reloading/IMG_0356_zpskzim8pgd.jpg

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Wow that's pretty crazy. It must have had more frontal surface area than an expanding hollow point. I bet it messed stuff up.

Posted: 8/10/2017 10:33:06 PM EDT

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1,000 fps. Shot by Casio Exilim EX-700zr. They're pretty cheap on Amazon. I picked up a pink Japanese import version for $150 a couple days ago. Nothing else does a frame rate that fast anywhere near the price. Some day, if I can afford it, I'd like to get a better one, but it's a couple grand before you can do any better.

Posted: 8/10/2017 11:22:46 PM EDT

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Thanks for sharing that info bluefalcon. It's cool that you share the trade secrets.

Posted: 8/11/2017 2:13:12 AM EDT

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Love the video and the discussion. I've been playing with the idea of getting a .50 Beowulf upper. What will the Grendel do that the Beowulf can't? Is it especially good at long distance? Serious questions, not trying to bag on the round. Appreciate any intelligent discussion.

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Beowulf is killer for short range work. I've seen people take bull moose in Alaska with it at 150ish yds. But it's not an all around cartridge, you won't shoot it much because it's expensive and kicks like a bastard.

Grendel is a lot of fun at all ranges, and easy work at 500 on steel. My 18" is capable of taking game at 400yds, which is a lot farther than the beowulf. Grendel has steel case ammo at less than 24 cents per round, and premium stuff for a buck a round. There are new barrel manufacturers hopping on the Grendel train and complete rifles coming out as well. Grendel is just gaining steam in the AR world where beowulf has already leveled off.

Posted: 8/11/2017 7:28:54 AM EDT

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Thanks for the summation. Someone mentioned an inexpensive upper. Got a link?

Posted: 8/11/2017 7:40:52 AM EDT

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http://www.luckygunner.com/6-5-grendel-16-barrel-ar-15-complete-upper-receiver-wolf-performance-arms

Posted: 8/11/2017 9:24:18 AM EDT

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Boom! There you go, weirdos. Happy now?

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Yes !! Lol

That is great hunting performance !

Posted: 8/11/2017 11:46:13 AM EDT

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I do like the 123gr SST's.

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Exit and entrance on a Doe at 275 yards.

Posted: 8/11/2017 2:21:22 PM EDT

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SST is my go to bullet for hunting as well. My Grendel has taken 2 black bears and 2 mule deer with it. Very pleased with the performance.

Posted: 8/11/2017 3:35:23 PM EDT

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SST is my go to bullet for hunting as well. My Grendel has taken 2 black bears and 2 mule deer with it. Very pleased with the performance.

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I can remember 12 years ago people telling me it was only good for shooting paper with.......

LOL

Posted: 8/11/2017 4:02:19 PM EDT

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Love the video and the discussion. I've been playing with the idea of getting a .50 Beowulf upper. What will the Grendel do that the Beowulf can't? Is it especially good at long distance? Serious questions, not trying to bag on the round. Appreciate any intelligent discussion.

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Grendel has more retained energy and higher impact speed at 200yds, which is crazy when you think about how much weight the .50 Beowulf or .450 Bushmaster and .458 SOCOM spit out of the muzzle.

A 10.5" Grendel has more energy at the muzzle and out than a 20" 5.56 AR15 spitting hot 62gr.

Posted: 8/11/2017 6:09:56 PM EDT

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Grendel has more retained energy and higher impact speed at 200yds, which is crazy when you think about how much weight the .50 Beowulf or .450 Bushmaster and .458 SOCOM spit out of the muzzle.

A 10.5" Grendel has more energy at the muzzle and out than a 20" 5.56 AR15 spitting hot 62gr.

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Love the video and the discussion. I've been playing with the idea of getting a .50 Beowulf upper. What will the Grendel do that the Beowulf can't? Is it especially good at long distance? Serious questions, not trying to bag on the round. Appreciate any intelligent discussion.

Grendel has more retained energy and higher impact speed at 200yds, which is crazy when you think about how much weight the .50 Beowulf or .450 Bushmaster and .458 SOCOM spit out of the muzzle.

A 10.5" Grendel has more energy at the muzzle and out than a 20" 5.56 AR15 spitting hot 62gr.

You fuckers owe me $400. I ordered an upper from J&G and will be buying some ammo here shortly.

Posted: 8/11/2017 6:25:24 PM EDT

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You fuckers owe me $400. I ordered an upper from J&G and will be buying some ammo here shortly.

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You have just begin to delve into the Grendel addiction.

It's worse than a drug. You look at the little fat case and your mind says no way. Then it just chugs out there and surprises you. Optics is next then reloading.

Posted: 8/11/2017 6:40:12 PM EDT

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The first time I shot Grendel on steel, I felt cheated all these years.

Where was this when I was humping an M24 SWS with its bull .900" muzzle and lower BC M118 ammo, with twice the recoil?

I could have had higher hit probability in that duty position, with something that fits in an M4.

I could throw every accessory, bipod, optic, IR pointer, grip, and light on it and still not be as heavy as an M24 or SR25.

It quickly ruined my childhood plans for the ultimate 7.62 NATO carbine blaster, which I thought would never be a possibility after the AWBs of the late 80s and early 90s.

Posted: 8/12/2017 11:31:01 AM EDT

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You fuckers owe me $400. I ordered an upper from J&G and will be buying some ammo here shortly.

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I have ordered twice ,so far from SG Ammo.
Great service/price. I am pleased with my Wolf upper,
great way to get into the Grendel.

Posted: 8/13/2017 4:18:09 PM EDT

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Hopefully I'm not hijacking the thread too much, but how does 6.5 Grendel do in super short barrels? Like 7, 8, or 9 inches? Does it still run the risk of over-penetration?

And are there any issues with feeding due to the large shoulder?

Posted: 8/13/2017 4:33:08 PM EDT

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Hopefully I'm not hijacking the thread too much, but how does 6.5 Grendel do in super short barrels? Like 7, 8, or 9 inches? Does it still run the risk of over-penetration?

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Well, the "over penetration" part was just a result of the sectional density. A lighter bullet would penetrate less. Lower velocity will tend to penetrate more, though.

Posted: 8/14/2017 12:53:09 AM EDT

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Well, the "over penetration" part was just a result of the sectional density. A lighter bullet would penetrate less. Lower velocity will tend to penetrate more, though.

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Hopefully I'm not hijacking the thread too much, but how does 6.5 Grendel do in super short barrels? Like 7, 8, or 9 inches? Does it still run the risk of over-penetration?

And are there any issues with feeding due to the large shoulder?

Well, the "over penetration" part was just a result of the sectional density. A lighter bullet would penetrate less. Lower velocity will tend to penetrate more, though.

How about reliable expansion/fragmentation from shorter barrels? If anyone just wants to point me in the direction of some links I'll read up. Otherwise I will do some googling when I get a chance tomorrow.

Posted: 8/14/2017 2:30:33 PM EDT

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I've heard nothing bad about those.
I need to pick one up

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Looks like it to me. I own one,
it's NOT for sale.

I've heard nothing bad about those.
I need to pick one up

Yes, you do. I'll be posting a longer term review in the AR Variants section in September. Ive had mine since Jan of this year and couldn't be happier.

Posted: 8/16/2017 12:08:35 AM EDT

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tag

Posted: 8/16/2017 12:10:52 AM EDT

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Tagged for lunch viewing tomorrow

Posted: 8/16/2017 7:51:16 AM EDT

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I love the Grendel. About four years ago I dropped a buck in his tracks 430 yards across a bean field. It is an awesome round.

Posted: 8/23/2017 1:47:50 PM EDT

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With a 20" Schilen barrel, my Grendel's velocity was around 2550 fps, and with a 123 grain Sierra match king, it remained supersonic till around 1300 yards....sometimes further depending on atmospheric/environmental conditions.

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