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Posted: 7/1/2003 12:43:04 PM EDT
OK, I'm taking requests... I came across a windshield from a friend's car. Now this isn't a purely scientific endeavor because the windshield is cracked, but for our purposes it should still work just fine. I've heard that certain calibers are worthless for punching through a windshield, and I'm wanting to see for myself. I'm definitely going to be shooting it with 5.56x45 and 7.62x39 and .45 ACP. Here's the other calibers I own: 9x18 Makarov 7.62x25 30 cal (for the M1 carbine) .22 LR 7.62x51 7.62x63 (30.06) 8mm Mauser 7.55x55 (Swiss) 7.62x54R .50 cal BMG (I'm thinking this'll punch through so let's not be silly) Let me know what you'd like to see, I'll probably only bring along one other caliber besides 5.56x45 and 7.62x39 and .45 ACP. (I don't want to be cleaning all damn night) Shawn
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 12:45:08 PM EDT
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I guess the 9X18 is close enough to 9X19 WTH why not right? Edit: what agle/angles will you be firing from?
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 12:54:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By PONY_DRIVER: what agle/angles will you be firing from?
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I figure I'll put it up at a fairly steep angle to mimick the effect as if it was really on a car, and plan on putting a pumpkin on the other side of the glass about 2 feet back. Shawn
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 12:56:12 PM EDT
Makarov.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 1:17:57 PM EDT
12 Ga. with buck shot?
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 1:24:18 PM EDT
Get a copy of the video "Deadly Weapons" and test rounds that they didn't.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 1:46:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By srv656s: I figure I'll put it up at a fairly steep angle to mimick the effect as if it was really on a car, and plan on putting a pumpkin on the other side of the glass about 2 feet back. Shawn
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Be sure to make a video of it and post it here! [bounce]
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 1:51:46 PM EDT
Take note of what bullets shed their jackets and deflect badly (most JHP handgun rounds) Vs. which bullets retain their jacket and fly straight (Gold Dot , Federal Tactical, & Winchester Ranger T series). Windshield are a common intermediate barrior in our car loving culture.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 1:56:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By srv656s:
Originally Posted By PONY_DRIVER: what agle/angles will you be firing from?
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I figure I'll put it up at a fairly steep angle to mimick the effect as if it was really on a car, and plan on putting a pumpkin on the other side of the glass about 2 feet back. Shawn
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I've seen this done on a video produced by LAPD ballistics lab. With most calibers, even if the glass deflects the projectile, the interior glass portion of the laminate still disintegrates and flies in a cloud of glass dust and fragments into the face of the "crash test" dummy sitting in the passenger compartment.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 1:59:58 PM EDT
I know for a fact that a wrist rocket and a landscape pebble, from above, will penetrate a windshield. Expense lesson for 4 kids playing 'war'. ByteTheBullet (-:
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 3:35:46 PM EDT
You ought to try a .38 Special. It's dismal record was the main reason for the advent of the .357 Mag.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 3:38:44 PM EDT
I've seen .22's bounce off of a side window and lodge in the door trim. A windshield should offer about the same angle of incidence. Be careful and try to catch the ricochets, they may be more instructive than the penatrants (is that the right word? or even a word?). Oh, and take video! Cool. Need any help?
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 3:46:19 PM EDT
Please post your results, in the interest of science! btw...My car had the rear windshield shot out just as I was opening the door... (Santa Monica 1997). *That* was an interesting event.... Gwen in L.A.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 3:55:21 PM EDT
I'd like to see a .22 CCI Minimag through a windshield [:)] NsB
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 3:59:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/1/2003 4:00:56 PM EDT by GaryM]
The ol' 30.06, thats what the serious bad guys used to use. Bonnie and Clyde had BARs, Dillinger was a wuss and mainly used pistols calibers. Editted to add; I would request the 7.62x25, I would like to see how its vaunted power of penetration stands up.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 4:06:33 PM EDT
How about mmmmmm......223?(5.56mm) This IS AR-15.com after all.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 4:15:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/1/2003 4:17:17 PM EDT by bobbyjack]
Shoot the 8mm last as it will make all the rest look anemic! With maybe the exception of the 7.62x54R,and the 50! Bob [:D]
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 4:33:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By GwenInLA1: Please post your results, in the interest of science! btw...My car had the rear windshield shot out just as I was opening the door... (Santa Monica 1997). *That* was an interesting event.... Gwen in L.A.
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Wha-wha-whaat?
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:16:38 PM EDT
.50 BMG, ONLY if you have access to a .50 cal belt fed M2 machine gun. ok, if you don't then shoot it with a shotgun!
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:20:30 PM EDT
Do yourself a favor and wear good armor and other protection, and shoot from cover if possible. You could conceivably catch some nasty ricochets. Auto glass is pretty tough to defeat with pistol rounds. This should be interesting...
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:25:43 PM EDT
POLICE magazine did an experiment like that a few months back. They used: 12 gauge, .223, .30/30, 9MM NATO, .45, .357 Mag, .40 S&W and .357 SIG. CRC
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