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Posted: 7/1/2003 5:36:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/1/2003 5:50:21 AM EDT by Cincinnatus]
Here's a quote from the Libertarian Party's official Platform:
"We recommend the repeal of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the recognition and equal protection of the rights of armed forces members. This will thereby promote morale, dignity, and a sense of justice within the military."
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Most of their issues (open borders, for one) would end up destroying our nation. Their military platform is no different. Think about what repealing the UCMJ would mean. Here are some of the Punitive Articles of the UCMJ that would no longer be punishable: Art. 85. Desertion. 86. Absence without leave. 87. Missing movement. 88. Contempt toward officials. 89. Disrespect toward superior commissioned officer. 91. Insubordinate conduct toward warrant officer, noncommissioned officer, or petty officer. 92. Failure to obey order or regulation. 94. Mutiny or sedition. 99. Misbehavior before the enemy. 100. Subordinate compelling surrender. 104. Aiding the enemy. 105. Misconduct as prisoner. 112. Drunk on duty. 113. Misbehavior of sentinel. 114. Dueling. 115. Malingering. 117. Provoking speeches or gestures. 133. Conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman. 134. General Article. None of these violations would considered "crimes", if the UCMJ was to be "repealed", as the Libertarian Party proposes. Commanding officers would no longer be able to give Office Hours (art 15). Desertion not a crime. UA/AWOL not a crime. Disrespect to Officers and NCOs not a crime. "Mutiny" not a crime. Disobeying a direct order? No longer a crime. How stupid can the Libertarian Party be, to propose such a thing? It would destroy the military. Geniuses.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:47:49 AM EDT
Yeah, that's pretty stupid...
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:55:41 AM EDT
I just don't get it. How could anyone who's ever served endorse such an idea? Imagine it. Privates telling Generals to "fuck off" -not a crime. Refusing a direct order, while in combat -not a crime. Desertion -not a crime. Don't feel like going to war? Hey, no problem. Just don't show up for the movement. If they try to arrest you, THEY would be the criminals.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:58:35 AM EDT
God bless the Grand Old Party
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 6:04:13 AM EDT
I'd love to here a genuine Libertarian try to defend this brilliant plan. Any takers? No?
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 6:05:52 AM EDT
There is a lot about libertarianism that appeals to me, but when I tested the waters I discovered that there is no bottom. I'd rather have a firm foundation to stand upon than trust a "Do as thou wilt" philosophy.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 6:23:10 AM EDT
I like the idea of being a "small L" libertarian, at heart. But along came some jackasses, who interpreted "Libertarianism" as they did. Now that's their platform. You vote for their candidate, you vote for their platform. Sure, I've heard Libertarians say "yeah, but a Libertarian President would never be able to enact the Libertarian Platform, so there's nothing to worry about...". I disagree. That anyone would support this Platform, and WANT to enact it, is a disqualifier, in my book. (Well, now I'm debating an imaginary Libertarian. Don't any real Libertarians support their own Platform?)
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 6:27:32 AM EDT
I am like you Cin, I used to call myself a small-L libertarian, but I stopped even using that term because I am so embarrassed to be associated in any way with the political party that has co-opted the name and twisted it to represent positions I find morally odious.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 6:31:19 AM EDT
Is this it, is this the best you can come up with...after seeing and being on the recieving end of dissaffection with the republican party, you and your cronies keep trying to find something wrong with the L's so that you can portray them as your new enemy. Why don't you spend this energy trying to change what is wrong with YOUR party and shut the fuck up? Now for your question, no you idiot most l's don't support that, the same way that most members of the NRA don't support the AWB. And that is exactly what the L's are right now, a debating society with political overtones. Now go clean up your own house and tell GWB to quit funding pictures of the cross being pissed on.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 6:37:16 AM EDT
I'm with you on this Cincinnatus, there is a lot on the libertarian platform I like, the problem is that the "party" is more about being against stuff than for stuff. They are very quick to criticize everyone else, but they offer few viable alternatives. The principle of libertarianism (individual liberty over governmental authority) is admirable and consistent with the founding principles. However, the libertarian party takes it WAAY too far. It's almost to the point of anarchy. Libertarian foreign policy tends toward isolationism (a non-functional concept in today's world), and it's domestic policy is excessively Darwinian. And while it looks like it would save a ton of money, it's also incredibly simplistic in light of many of the other principles of our society. I also find that I cannot support libertarian policies regarding drugs, prostitution etc. Again, the policy is incredibly simplistic. I think that in an age where the moral and ethical collapse of the Clinton Era (really just the fruition of the moral and ethical collapse of the sixties and seventies) offends so many, the suggestion of loosing the last strands of social support for basic standards of moral and ethical behavior is simply unconscionable.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 6:38:30 AM EDT
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Originally Spewed By hound: Is this it, is this the best you can come up with...after seeing and being on the recieving end of dissaffection with the republican party, you and your cronies keep trying to find something wrong with the L's so that you can portray them as your new enemy.
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Enemy? Don't flatter yourself. They are irrelevant and impotent, and based on their platform -ignorant.
Why don't you spend this energy trying to change what is wrong with YOUR party and shut the fuck up?
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Nice.
Now for your question, no you idiot most l's don't support that, the same way that most members of the NRA don't support the AWB.
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BULLSHIT. The AWB is NOT in the PLATFORM of the NRA. This plan to destroy the order and discipline of the US Armed Forces IS in the Libertarian Platform.
And that is exactly what the L's are right now, a debating society with political overtones. Now go clean up your own house and tell GWB to quit funding pictures of the cross being pissed on.
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My, aren't you a bitter and angry little Libertarian? There's really no need for the insults and naughty language. It's not a very good substitute for a well formed argument. But I guess you don't have one of those, do you? Again, I don't consider the Libertarians to be the "enemy". But I DO consider anyone who would support such a Platform to be ignorant, and ill-informed.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 6:44:55 AM EDT
The frustrating thing about Libertarians is not one of them can tell you what their platfrom IS. It all seems to boil down to a wish for anarchy in my view.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 6:56:30 AM EDT
Their Presidential candidates sure can tell you. They know the Platform by heart. AND they embrace the Platform.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 6:59:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By icemanat95: The principle of libertarianism (individual liberty over governmental authority) is admirable and consistent with the founding principles. I also find that I cannot support libertarian policies regarding drugs, prostitution etc. Again, the policy is incredibly simplistic. I think that in an age where the moral and ethical collapse of the Clinton Era (really just the fruition of the moral and ethical collapse of the sixties and seventies) offends so many, the suggestion of loosing the last strands of social support for basic standards of moral and ethical behavior is simply unconscionable.
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I think you reasoning is way too simplistic. Either you support individual liberty, or you don't. If the only thing keeping someone from using a prostitute is the threat of jail, how exactly is that upholding any type of morality. You are looking to the government legal system to support your morality when you should be looking to families and individuals to live moral lives without threatening them. You make a good Republican. But not a libertarian. -Nick Viejo.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 7:01:23 AM EDT
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I think your reasoning is way too simplistic. Either you support individual liberty, or you don't.
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(isn't THAT simplistic?) Use that logic to defend repealing the UCMJ. You can. Give it a try.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 7:23:26 AM EDT
My insults and naughty language are because people like you can't clean up their own house and want someone else to be responsible. Why doesn't the republican party embraced some old-core republican values and not hillary-care and the NEA? You got any answers? Why doesn't the republican party support the 2nd the way they support the first or the rights of homosexuals? Why does the republican party support more infringements of the right to privacy and eliminate the IRS? Why are the government intelligence services still acrock even after the biggest expansion ever? You got anything? You are exactly right on the UCMJ, it is a terrible thing and should not be taken seriously because the armed forces will never go for it. And the AWB is on the "platform" of the NRA, they have said they support reasonable restrictions and they approved of the AWB.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 7:34:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/1/2003 7:39:46 AM EDT by Cincinnatus]
Originally Posted By hound: My insults and naughty language are because people like you can't clean up their own house and want someone else to be responsible.
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So I take it then, that you and your Libertarian brothers will now cease all threads that criticize the Republicans, at least until you come up with a new platform?
Why doesn't the republican party embraced some old-core republican values and not hillary-care and the NEA? You got any answers? Why doesn't the republican party support the 2nd the way they support the first or the rights of homosexuals?
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Blaming the Party in power for a SCOTUS decision is foolish.
Why does the republican party support more infringements of the right to privacy and eliminate the IRS? Why are the government intelligence services still a crock even after the biggest expansion ever? You got anything?
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Ok, you want less privacy infringement and more effective intelligence gathering. Those are well thought demands.
You are exactly right on the UCMJ, it is a terrible thing and should not be taken seriously because the armed forces will never go for it.
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Weasel. Are you suggesting that IF the armed forces "went for it", that you would support it? It's wrong. It's YOUR party's platform.
And the AWB is on the "platform" of the NRA, they have said they support reasonable restrictions and they approved of the AWB.
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IN the NRA Platform, huh? Show me. Give me a link. Please. Almost every part of the Libertarian "Platform" is a recipe for the destruction of out nation. There's no spin, or loose reading required. These idiotic ideas are the philosophical FOUNDATION of the Libertarian Party. If you support the Party, or the Libertarian candidate -you support the Platform. Only a fool votes for a candidate but claims to not support the candidate's platform.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 8:10:50 AM EDT
Oh where to start, first off you confuse my political affiliation....I perhaps would be a little l but certainly not a big L. Second I will always send fire at the party in charge..for years in was dems...not it is socialist dems oops republicans.You made a blanket response and avoided the issue of GWB pushing hillary-care.....sweet sidestep. And you made the old tired response to invasions of privacy.....no the egovernment doesn't need more power, what it needs is to get its shit together and use the info it has. There are more than enough stories out right know to prove that the USG can't take a regular intel report and use it to wipe their ass, they have to fluff it and spin it. No again -delted-, I support the US armed forces and I took an oath on it. I don't think that load of crap would fly and I told you one of the biggest reasons why, not saying I would support it if the generals said yes. Hell I think the UCMJ should be applied to everyone in some instances, instead of the mess of criminal care legal system we have now. The Nra has said so in public and it has been repeatedly brought up here, are you saying that you don't know that? Almost every plank of the republican platform is unconstitutional and disaster for the nation so you are even. I haven't ever voted for a libertarian--- surprise!!! I would loive to see the US quit paying the little brown people to come here but the Dems and repubs love them so I guess we will continue to import problems and support Mexico etc.......
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 8:14:03 AM EDT
First of all I am a big "L" libertarian. However I do not support their views on the military. However I agree with everything else. I am guessing a lot of y'all are not in lock step with the GOP. What the Libertarian party stands for is the rights of the individual to do what he wants with HIS/HER money and HIS/HER body so long as that person does not impeede the right of another of living HIS/HER right to live in the way they see fit. Right now the GOP has passed about 70-80% of the Democrats agenda. Campaing finance reform, giving tax cuts to those who don't pay taxes, free drugs to people just because they are old, doing away with profiling terrorists, AND GWB has announced that he supports the AWB. Come on people!
The principle of libertarianism (individual liberty over governmental authority) is admirable and consistent with the founding principles. However, the libertarian party takes it WAAY too far. It's almost to the point of anarchy. Libertarian foreign policy tends toward isolationism (a non-functional concept in today's world), and it's domestic policy is excessively Darwinian. And while it looks like it would save a ton of money, it's also incredibly simplistic in light of many of the other principles of our society.
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Please tell me what parts of the Libertarian platform supports anarchy. I don't see anything in the party's patform that allows individuals to steal, kill or rape. So the Libertarians support prostitution and repeal of the drug laws. So what. So it should be against the law for 2 consenting adults to engage in sex and capitalism? So if someone wants to sit in front of the TV and smoke a bowl of weed he should be arrested? Who are these people hurting besides themselves???? How long will it be until it becomes against the law to use tobacco or coffee because it is BAD for us?
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 8:31:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By hound: My insults and naughty language are because people like you can't clean up their own house and want someone else to be responsible.
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Ah, so your rudeness and lack of self control are SOMEONE ELSE'S fault? How...Democratic of you.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 9:29:23 AM EDT
So Rikky shows up, once again to hold up his friend Cincin....nope rikky it is my fault that I get so angry with you and your boys. And once again we have a sidestep on issues. You boys got nothing and every time you start this crap you get the hell beat out of you. Why don't you do something constructive and change your party instead of looking for boojums and spooks? I guess with you it is a belief and arguing with you is like trying to argue with the Jihad, you ain't changing and you refuse to see the beam in your eye. Well other people see it and other people know you have nothing and your party is loosing everyday......it is getting so bad now that Hillary even thinks she could win. And that bitch ain't going to run unless she knows she will take it. You and yours have given the evil queen a winning possibility, keep at it and you will insure that we have her for queen.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 9:53:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 10:10:20 AM EDT
And Raf shows up, the other republican apologist. Ok I will answer you and then you will answer me. The Llibertarians are supporting people like Ron Paul and others who are trying to roll back the government and not make it bigger. They are constantly trying to get out publicly that repubs and dems are both monsters. They are running for small offices and making changes. ------Now what are the republicans doing to avoid Queen hillary?------ well they just adopted here health plan, looks good for "I came up with that" They supported the NEA she likes that. They support "reasonable" restrictions so does she, they support infringement of rights of everyone---been through an airport lately, so does she, except for the rich whit people that pay her, or wait is that GWB, I get so confused trying to tell them apart, one has an alchoholic daughter, and one has a perfect daughter, one has a family involved in drug running and banking deals and so does the other....well it gets really hard some days to tell them apart
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 10:10:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By hound: nope rikky it is my fault that I get so angry with you and your boys.
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Thanks for admitting your guilt. Now if you could only admit your ignorance.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 10:21:19 AM EDT
At least the L's have never violated the Constitution. The D's and R's cannot say the same.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 10:23:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Emoto: At least the L's have never violated the Constitution. The D's and R's cannot say the same.
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ROFLMAO! OF COURSE they've never violated the Constitution: they've never been in OFFICE where they COULD! ROFL! What a freaking joke of a statement...
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 10:25:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By hound: And Raf shows up, the other republican apologist.
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Sure hound...everyone that disagrees with you is a "republican apologist." It's all a conspiracy! "They" are out to get you! [%|]
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 11:30:12 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 12:33:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By raf: You're referring to Ron Paul, the [b]Republican[/b], right? Or is there some Ron Paul who's been elected to Congress as a Libertarian Party member? [:D]
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I don't see why you can be so smug, Raf. Ron Paul ran as a Libertarian Presidential candidate. His issues and beliefs are libertarian through and through. The way politics is in this country, it's almost impossible for any 3rd party to get elected. This is because of ballot access laws, media bias towards the other 2 parties, and the fact that there are still plenty of people who vote straight party-line. Ron Paul recognized that and switched party affilitations. Ron Paul is a Republican in name and a libertarian or Constitutionalist at heart. Cincinnatus brought up the UCMJ, which I don't know much about, nor was I able to find a reference to it in the Libertarian Party platform, so I will ignore that issue for now, since I'm one of those people who doesn't run my mouth when I don't know what I'm talking about. [;)] -Nick Viejo.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 12:55:59 PM EDT
I considered myself a Libertarian until I read their positions on all things related to foreign policy. then 9/11 happened now I am an unabashed imperialist.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 1:19:07 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/1/2003 1:47:45 PM EDT
Isn't this funny I go away after writing a long explanation and asking a copuple of questions...and the only thing you socialist dems can come up with is sidestepping........been to DU lately?
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 1:56:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Think about what repealing the UCMJ would mean. Here are some of the Punitive Articles of the UCMJ that would no longer be punishable: Art. 85. Desertion. 86. Absence without leave. 87. Missing movement. 88. Contempt toward officials. 89. Disrespect toward superior commissioned officer. 91. Insubordinate conduct toward warrant officer, noncommissioned officer, or petty officer. 92. Failure to obey order or regulation. 94. Mutiny or sedition. 99. Misbehavior before the enemy. 100. Subordinate compelling surrender. 104. Aiding the enemy. 105. Misconduct as prisoner. 112. Drunk on duty. 113. Misbehavior of sentinel. 114. Dueling. 115. Malingering. 117. Provoking speeches or gestures. 133. Conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman. 134. General Article.
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I'm a fascist Libertarian. You better beleave in your rights and liberties or ELSE! I don't have my MCM handy, but you forgot one of my all time favorites, missuse of a password or challange. What's next, military unions?
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 3:00:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By hound: Isn't this funny I go away after writing a long explanation and asking a copuple of questions...and the only thing you socialist dems can come up with is sidestepping........been to DU lately?
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Heheh...you're such a raving lunatic. Try, just try putting the political opinions held by raf, Cincinnatus or myself on DU and see how long the thread lasts. You've truly become a parody of yourself.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 3:02:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By N_Viejo: Cincinnatus brought up the UCMJ, which I don't know much about, nor was I able to find a reference to it in the Libertarian Party platform, so I will ignore that issue for now, since I'm one of those people who doesn't run my mouth when I don't know what I'm talking about.
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If only your party's spokesmouth, Harry Browne, were so prudent.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 3:08:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RikWriter: Heheh...you're such a raving lunatic.You've truly become a parody of yourself.
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Lot of that going around lately...
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 3:11:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Originally Posted By RikWriter: Heheh...you're such a raving lunatic.You've truly become a parody of yourself.
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Lot of that going around lately...
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Yes, but I was trying not to bring you into it.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 3:13:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RikWriter: Yes, but I was trying not to bring you into it.
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You are so kind.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 3:29:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Originally Posted By RikWriter: Yes, but I was trying not to bring you into it.
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You are so kind.
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Just call me a compassionate conservative...
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 3:32:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By N_Viejo: Cincinnatus brought up the UCMJ, which I don't know much about, nor was I able to find a reference to it in the Libertarian Party platform, so I will ignore that issue for now, since I'm one of those people who doesn't run my mouth when I don't know what I'm talking about.
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You prove my point. Most libertarians are not Libertarians. Heck Nick, it's there. Go to www.lp.org You'll find it, along with Open Borders, and other ill-conceived Planks. If you are an L (which I don't know), why DON'T you know about YOUR party's platform?? hound, your shrill run-on, ad hominum, rants are a testament, and perfect illustration of exactly who you are. If it is the likes of YOU who make up the bulk of the Libertarian Party, they're doomed. I think you may even claim to not be among them? Wow. Not even the moral courage to stand up and be counted. Not a surprise.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 3:42:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: I'd love to here a genuine Libertarian try to defend this brilliant plan. Any takers? No?
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No takers, 'cause, as much as some here cry about "libertarians", there's prolly only about 3 on the site..[rolleyes] If ya like the military so much, why don'cha... oh, wait...[;)]
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 3:56:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RikWriter: You've truly become a parody of yourself.
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I hope you don't steal your short stories too rik. That statement was directed at you, by me, not 3 days ago, when you and cinci got yer heads handed to ya in the LAST repub thread.....
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 4:01:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By liberty86:
Originally Posted By RikWriter: You've truly become a parody of yourself.
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I hope you don't steal your short stories too rik. That statement was directed at you, by me, not 3 days ago, when you and cinci got yer heads handed to ya in the LAST repub thread.....
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Actually, I've used that phrase long before you finally stumbled across it Duncan. And only in your twisted imagination did you or anyone else hand me my head in a debate.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 4:02:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RikWriter: Just call me a compassionate conservative...
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"compassionate" conservative=Not conservative at all....
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 4:20:58 PM EDT
So what exactly is the GOP going to have to do for our AR15.com republicans to end their support for the the party of Lincoln (who, by the way, destroyed states' rights and created the giant, centralized federal system we have today)? This is the question the repubs never can quite answer. Well, what?...... Renew the AW ban? Cooperate with Feinstein's "Mr. and Mrs. America, Turn them all in"? National ID card? Patriot Act II (which I'm sure Rik will so kindly and articulately defend)? Start WWIII? What? When does the GOP end being the lesser of two evils and become just plain evil? And raf: Do you think no Demos have ever become Libertarians? What about former LP presidential candidate LaRouche...who pulled a "ron paul" and became a democrat?
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 4:41:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By N_Viejo:
Originally Posted By raf: You're referring to Ron Paul, the [b]Republican[/b], right? Or is there some Ron Paul who's been elected to Congress as a Libertarian Party member? [:D]
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Ron Paul is a Republican in name and a libertarian or Constitutionalist at heart. -Nick Viejo.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "constitutionalist," but if you are referring to one who interprets the constitution without distorting its plain meaning or original intent, then a libertarian CANNOT be a "constitutionalist." libertarians love to read all sorts of crazy things into the constitution in order to advance their agenda, such as constitutional protections for porn and "privacy," neither of which exist in the constitution (or where meant to exist).
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:23:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RikWriter:
Originally Posted By liberty86:
Originally Posted By RikWriter: You've truly become a parody of yourself.
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I hope you don't steal your short stories too rik. That statement was directed at you, by me, not 3 days ago, when you and cinci got yer heads handed to ya in the LAST repub thread.....
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And only in your twisted imagination did you or anyone else hand me my head in a debate.
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Ooooohkay. Say no to crack, Rik. Drugs are not the answer.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:36:17 PM EDT
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woohoo the gangs all here.....Now rikky, ya want to go back to where you ask me a question and I answered it and asked you one or do you want wobbly and the rest of the boys to kick your head in again. Quit sidestepping and answer some questions. I asked a whole lot of them. And quit attacking my supposed political affiliation, you will give yourself a hernia. I have plenty of courage and guts to stand up and be counted, I don't have to prove that to you. Edited becuz type so well with one of my wrists in a brace
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 7:24:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin: Ooooohkay. Say no to crack, Rik. Drugs are not the answer.
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Then perhaps you and Duncan should stop using them.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 7:26:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By stubbs: So what exactly is the GOP going to have to do for our AR15.com republicans to end their support for the the party of Lincoln
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They are going to have to be worse than the Democrats. It's really that simple.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 7:27:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By hound: woohoo the gangs all here.....Now rikky, ya want to go back to where you ask me a question and I answered it and asked you one or do you want wobbly and the rest of the boys to kick your head in again.
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You have to do something first before you can do it again. And no, I don't want to ask you questions or answer any of yours because frankly you ramble on like a crazy man and I have very little interest in your opinion.
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