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Posted: 6/30/2003 9:07:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/30/2003 9:09:39 PM EDT by The_Macallan]
Maybe they'd let the kid keep his pickled fetus/mommy on his nightstand next to his bed.
[url=http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_medical/story.jsp?story=420607]Era of 'unborn mother' looms as scientists use aborted foetuses to grow human eggs[/url] Scientists announced yesterday that [red]they have been able to remove immature ovaries from four-month-old foetuses.[/red] The theory is that they can then be stimulated in the test tube to go through the later stages of development before the creation of fully mature eggs. But such a scenario raises grave ethical questions about the possibility of creating children whose biological mothers were never born. However, it is clear that [red]the increase in demand for a supply of healthy human eggs[/red] - which are not easy to "harvest" from even the most fertile women - is causing several groups of scientists around the world to explore the possibility of using aborted foetuses. Dr Biron-Shental said that the researchers obtained ovarian tissue from seven aborted foetuses aged between 22 and 33 weeks and managed to keep slices of the ovaries [red]alive[/red] for four weeks, long enough for the follicles to develop to the stage when they began to produce the female hormone oestradiol. "The local ethical committee of our medical centre approved the study and informed consent was obtained from the mothers," Dr Biron-Shental said. "We had different kinds of aborted foetuses with all kinds of malformations. Of course we could not use normal foetuses for such experiments because it is controversial enough," she explained. Anti-abortion groups were quick to denounce the research yesterday. Nuala Scarisbrick of the organisation Life said the study was morally repugnant. "[red]Who would want to know that their mother was an aborted baby?[/red]" she said.
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Does anyone see how sickeningly oxymoronic this is???? They would eventually want to use HEALTHY ABORTED FETUSES to grow eggs because there's such a HIGH DEMAND for healthy human eggs!!! Why not try [b][size=5]ADOPTION!!![/size=5][/b] you sick, twisted, inhuman, infanticidal, fetal-farming, Mengele/Moreau/Frankenstein-conglomerate FREAKOFUCKS!!!! [pissed] [b]This world is SO FUCKED![/b][V]
Link Posted: 6/30/2003 9:17:00 PM EDT
HOLY COW! THAT'S SOME SICK CRAP! CRC
Link Posted: 6/30/2003 9:17:33 PM EDT
Lets kill babies, then use thier parts to make more babies!! Yeah!! Sounds cool! HOLY FUCKING CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need to take care of this right now! Can someone loan me a pair of Night Vision goggles and a silencer?
Link Posted: 6/30/2003 9:25:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/30/2003 9:36:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/30/2003 9:38:19 PM EDT by Searcherfortruth]
They should take folks like that & give them a frontal lobotomy.[:(!] That is some seriously twisted thinking. Sick sick people out there.
Link Posted: 6/30/2003 10:27:24 PM EDT
uumm.. OK. Theyll use monkeys, or goats. Happy? IMO, it's bad to actually try and raise embryos this way, But it would be a great way to farm stem cells. I'm sure you won't be denouncing this research when you desperatly need a new, replacement organ to live, and there are none available for transplant. Sorry, But I simply must play the devils advocate here.
Link Posted: 6/30/2003 10:35:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/30/2003 10:35:48 PM EDT by The_Macallan]
Originally Posted By Andreuha: uumm.. OK. Theyll use monkeys, or goats. Happy? IMO, it's bad to actually try and raise embryos this way, But it would be a great way to farm stem cells. I'm sure you won't be denouncing this research when you desperatly need a new, replacement organ to live, and there are none available for transplant. Sorry, But I simply must play the devils advocate here.
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Stem cells can be acquired by many means without aborting a normal, healthy four-month old fetus. Umbilical cord blood contains a rich supply of many sorts of stem cells. VERY early zygotes (2, 4, 8, 16- cell pre-implantation stages) can also serve as real "stem cell" sources.
Link Posted: 6/30/2003 10:36:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TREETOP: Meanwhile there are thousands of great children sitting in foster homes or worse, wishing for nothing but a family and a real home. Twisted.
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NO SHIT! I know I disagree with a bunch of you guys on abortion, but I see NO reason WHATSOEVER for there to be such a thing as a fertility clinic. Not to mention growing babies. WHY?
Link Posted: 6/30/2003 10:39:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/30/2003 10:40:57 PM EDT by TheFNG]
Originally Posted By Andreuha: I'm sure you won't be denouncing this research when you desperatly need a new, replacement organ to live, and there are none available for transplant. Sorry, But I simply must play the devils advocate here.
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I have had to face cancer, it runs in my family. When its your time, its your time. I also deal with death at work from time to time, not something I look foward to but its coming. To quote Fight Club "We are all the same decaying organic matter" and thats all there is to it. Once you get over the realization that YOU ARE GOING TO DIE SOMEDAY, life seems to get much easier. And you learn to apreciate things more.
Link Posted: 6/30/2003 10:44:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TheFNG:
Originally Posted By TREETOP: Meanwhile there are thousands of great children sitting in foster homes or worse, wishing for nothing but a family and a real home. Twisted.
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NO SHIT! I know I disagree with a bunch of you guys on abortion, but I see NO reason WHATSOEVER for there to be such a thing as a fertility clinic. Not to mention growing babies. WHY?
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Yep. My brother & his wife adopted two babies from VERY young teenage mothers. One of the mothers was counseled all along the way that she should abort the baby. She knew she was way too young to have/raise a child but she couldn't live knowing she killed her baby. So now they have a 6-year old girl and a 3-year old boy and I have a niece and a nephew and I just can't understand the mentality of women who choose to kill their fetuses rather than give them up to couples who can't have children and who would give their right arm for an adopted child.
Link Posted: 6/30/2003 11:21:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/30/2003 11:22:11 PM EDT by Searcherfortruth]
Fetus means little one.[:D] I have often wonder what Festus means though. How many valuable people have we lost. They talk about loosing the rain forest, & possible cures for cancer, mean while they allow the sanctioned murder of the ones who may have come up with the formula for cancer.[%|]
Link Posted: 6/30/2003 11:59:54 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/1/2003 4:17:50 AM EDT
Man, that would make family reunions pretty 'interesting'.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 4:57:03 AM EDT
All I know is that 'Caesar' has decreed that it is a [b]federal felony[/b] to disturb the eggs, the hatchlings, the nestlings, or the adults of certain bird species. Such as the American Bald Eagle. Wait! You can get into serious criminal trouble over disturbing the 'eggs' of certain birds? Yep! The eggs hold the potential of future life for these species! Hmmm, so much for the potential of life for the human species! I imagine there are 1,000,000 aborted fetuses in the United States alone each year who would have devoutly wished to have been bald eagles. Or at least to have had the legal protection afforded to bald eagles! But 'Caesar' has decreed it, so it must be just! Eric The([i][b]SicSemperTyrannis[/b][/i])Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:00:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TREETOP: Meanwhile there are thousands of great children sitting in foster homes or worse, wishing for nothing but a family and a real home. Twisted.
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Meanwhile in New Jersey, the state is placing foster children in mental hospitals as there is no one to take them. Can you imagine a child growing up in a mental hospital? Abortion is truley an answer. We just have to phrase the question properly.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:00:50 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:06:04 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed: So is this admission that what's in the womb is a human life? I'd like to see them wriggle out of this one...
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It has the potential for human life, wouldn't you say? Say a woman has unprotected intercourse during her menstraul cycle, should we require a burial of her menses as the potential for humn life is present? (Yes, I am aware of the fact that during menstraution she is not fertile, it is more of a hypothetical thought experiment). How often do women who miscarry in the first trimester bury the fetus? (In most states the fetus in the first trimester is considered medical waste). I stick with my original postulate of a fetus becomes a baby at birth. My god agrees with it, so that is good enough for me .
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:14:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:17:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
Originally Posted By hielo:
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed: So is this admission that what's in the womb is a human life? I'd like to see them wriggle out of this one...
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It has the potential for human life, wouldn't you say? Say a woman has unprotected intercourse during her menstraul cycle, should we require a burial of her menses as the potential for humn life is present? (Yes, I am aware of the fact that during menstraution she is not fertile, it is more of a hypothetical thought experiment). How often do women who miscarry in the first trimester bury the fetus? (In most states the fetus in the first trimester is considered medical waste). I stick with my original postulate of a fetus becomes a baby at birth. My god agrees with it, so that is good enough for me .
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Good attempt at wriggling [BD]
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, but you didn't answer them? I will always be able to fall back on the fact that my god has no problem with abortion. Blind faith .
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:18:31 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:20:22 AM EDT
I wonder, is it just American women having abortions that bother the lot of you (that are anti-choice), or is it any nationality? I absolutely love the fact that China is having such problems with parents killing their female children, I love the fact that N. Koreans are eating their children. I think that *we* would be better off if most countries in the world would have a strict population control program in place. Don't you anti-choicers agree?
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:20:42 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:21:40 AM EDT
The UC is already taken at most hospitals, it is a profit center, as stem cells, ounce for ounce are more expensive than the finest cavier.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:22:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
Originally Posted By hielo:
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
Originally Posted By hielo:
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed: So is this admission that what's in the womb is a human life? I'd like to see them wriggle out of this one...
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It has the potential for human life, wouldn't you say? Say a woman has unprotected intercourse during her menstraul cycle, should we require a burial of her menses as the potential for humn life is present? (Yes, I am aware of the fact that during menstraution she is not fertile, it is more of a hypothetical thought experiment). How often do women who miscarry in the first trimester bury the fetus? (In most states the fetus in the first trimester is considered medical waste). I stick with my original postulate of a fetus becomes a baby at birth. My god agrees with it, so that is good enough for me .
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Good attempt at wriggling [BD]
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, but you didn't answer them? I will always be able to fall back on the fact that my god has no problem with abortion. Blind faith .
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You didn't mention who your god was?
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It goes by many names, doesn't yours?
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:25:48 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:30:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
Originally Posted By hielo:
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
Originally Posted By hielo:
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
Originally Posted By hielo:
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed: So is this admission that what's in the womb is a human life? I'd like to see them wriggle out of this one...
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It has the potential for human life, wouldn't you say? Say a woman has unprotected intercourse during her menstraul cycle, should we require a burial of her menses as the potential for humn life is present? (Yes, I am aware of the fact that during menstraution she is not fertile, it is more of a hypothetical thought experiment). How often do women who miscarry in the first trimester bury the fetus? (In most states the fetus in the first trimester is considered medical waste). I stick with my original postulate of a fetus becomes a baby at birth. My god agrees with it, so that is good enough for me .
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Good attempt at wriggling [BD]
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, but you didn't answer them? I will always be able to fall back on the fact that my god has no problem with abortion. Blind faith .
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You didn't mention who your god was?
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It goes by many names, doesn't yours?
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No. My religious beliefs are uncertain.
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Good for you, with religion it is best to keep an open mind. So what do you base your anti-choice beliefs on, if not religous dogma?
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:30:38 AM EDT
I may be generally pro-choice, but that is some fucked up shit.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:33:56 AM EDT
Twisted, sick and very disturbing... NsB
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:34:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By eswanson: I may be generally pro-choice, but that is some fucked up shit.
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Why?
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:36:34 AM EDT
You know there are lots of sick and twisted fucks out there, unfortunately we have some here too.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:39:57 AM EDT
'Convenience' is the 'god' of most abortionists! On [u]both[/u] sides of the scapel! [b]'To say that a child must die in order for you to live the life you wish, is poverty of the soul.'[/b] - Mother Theresa Eric The(Amen!)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:47:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: 'Convenience' is the 'god' of most abortionists! On [u]both[/u] sides of the scapel! [b]'To say that a child must die in order for you to live the life you wish, is poverty of the soul.'[/b] - Mother Theresa Eric The(Amen!)Hun[>]:)]
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"Where is Mother Theresa now?" - Hielo . Good to see you back, hope all is getting better for you. You were in my families thoughts. But in all honesty, should we start comparing the mojo of our particular gods? Or shoudl we accept the fact that there may be more than one path?
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:48:54 AM EDT
[url]http://www.jsonline.com/alive/news/may03/139196.asp[/url]
Nearly 400,000 human embryos frozen in clinics Most intended for pregnancy tries; 11,000 could be donated for research By MARILYNN MARCHIONE mmarchione@journalsentinel.com Last Updated: May 7, 2003 About 400,000 human embryos are in frozen storage at infertility clinics around the United States - far more than previously believed, the first inventory ever taken of them has found. Frozen Embryos Graphic/Journal Sentinel Frozen embryos Experts said the landmark study could shape debate over public policy on stem cell research and the field of reproductive medicine, which is largely self-regulated. The vast majority of stored embryos are intended for future pregnancy attempts by the couples who made them, but some are mired in indecision and disputes between partners. About 9,000 were potentially available to other couples wanting children, and another 9,000 were destined to be destroyed, the study found. Only 11,000 might be donated to research. Intentions for about 14,000 others couldn't be determined, sometimes because patients died, were getting divorced, or moved and had abandoned the embryos. One example of the quandary surrounding some embryos is a batch frozen in 1993 for a Milwaukee-area couple who had two children from successful infertility treatment and now can't agree on whether to use the leftovers to have more. "I'm encouraging them to make a decision on what to do," said their doctor, Grace Janik. "We try to have people move things along and use them so we don't have this stockpile problem." The study was based on a survey done by the Society for Assisted Reproductive Technology, whose members include 90% of the nation's infertility specialists, and RAND, a health research group. Results were published in the May issue of the journal Fertility and Sterility and released today. "We are pleased to be able to bring some real data to bear on this topic. Too often, policy discussions about reproductive medicine seem to be driven by emotion rather than fact," said David Hoffman, a Florida infertility doctor who led the study. Researchers and observers were stunned to learn there were nearly 400,000 frozen embryos as of April 11, 2002, when the survey was conducted. "That's much higher than anybody was guessing," said David Stevens, a doctor who heads the 17,000-member Christian Medical Association. In vitro fertilization, in which eggs and sperm are mixed in a lab dish, typically yields 10 to 20 embryos. Usually, the healthiest-looking two to six embryos, depending on the woman's age, are chosen for the first pregnancy attempt and the rest are frozen for future tries. The new survey covered the 430 U.S. clinics that belong to the reproductive society and do IVF procedures. The 340 clinics that responded said they had 391,661 embryos. Facilities that store embryos for clinics reported another 4,865, making the total 396,526. Researchers studied patients' intentions for freezing their embryos and found that 88% want to use them to try to have children at a later date. Less than 3%, or 9,225 embryos, were available for donation to other couples. "It's not common. There are many, many more patients who want embryos than there are embryos for donation," said Gloria Halverson, an infertility specialist with the Medical College of Wisconsin IVF program at Froedtert Memorial Lutheran Hospital. But one of her patients who had triplets donated her several remaining frozen embryos to another local couple trying to have a family, Halverson said. The number of embryos available for research was a key point in the debate over embryonic stem cells, primitive cells that scientists want to use to treat and study diseases. Donated embryos were used to create the nine stem cell lines available today for federally funded studies, but scientists say that's far too few for meaningful research. Still, using the most conservative estimates of yield, those could produce as many as 275 new embryonic stem cell lines, the study concluded. R. Alta Charo, a University of Wisconsin-Madison bioethicist, said the study shows that embryos are being created because infertile people want to have children. "These clinics are not out there producing embryos to seed the research sector. I think the whole concern about embryo farming has now been proven to be misplaced," she said. For a copy of the American Infertility Association's patient guide on freezing embryos, visit www.americaninfertility.org.
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[puke]
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:48:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By PONY_DRIVER: You know there are lots of sick and twisted fucks out there, unfortunately we have some here too.
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You are an organ donor I take it? And the remains are already bequeathed to a medical school for students to work on? Then I guess you do have a right to throw the first stone.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:56:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Glock918: Slightly off topic, but stem cells can be taken from umbilical cords, correct?
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Yes. Stem cells can even be gotten from plain old human FAT. Scott
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:56:18 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:57:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By hielo: Blind faith .
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Stupidity.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:58:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By hielo: I absolutely love the fact that China is having such problems with parents killing their female children, I love the fact that N. Koreans are eating their children.
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Confirmed: [:K]
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:58:58 AM EDT
Post from hielo -
Or shoudl we accept the fact that there may be more than one path?
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[u]If[/u] that were true, then my God is a Liar, and that is [u]utterly[/u] impossible! No one comes to the Father, but through His Son. I know that it confounds human reason and intellect that there is only ONE WAY, but that is what we believe. And the Man (if it be lawful to call such, a man) who said it, led such a beautiful and astonishing life here on earth, that it would be the height of folly to think that He was trying to mislead us, confuse us, or bamboozle us by lying about Who He was, and is, and will always be! I can only hope to be where Mother Theresa is at the present! Thank you for you and your family's prayers during these times of my misfortune! Eric The(Prodigal)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 6:21:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Post from hielo -
Or shoudl we accept the fact that there may be more than one path?
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[u]If[/u] that were true, then my God is a Liar, and that is [u]utterly[/u] impossible! No one comes to the Father, but through His Son. I know that it confounds human reason and intellect that there is only ONE WAY, but that is what we believe. And the Man (if it be lawful to call such, a man) who said it, led such a beautiful and astonishing life here on earth, that it would be the height of folly to think that He was trying to mislead us, confuse us, or bamboozle us by lying about Who He was, and is, and will always be! I can only hope to be where Mother Theresa is at the present! Thank you for you and your family's prayers during these times of my misfortune! Eric The(Prodigal)Hun[>]:)]
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While I find you slightly misguided, I live in hope that there is always time for you to come into the fold My belief structure holds that there is more than one way. I won't hold it against you that you don't feel the same way.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 6:23:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Scottman:
Originally Posted By hielo: Blind faith .
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Stupidity.
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Really depends on what you decide to have "Blind Faith" in, doesn't it?
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 6:25:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed: I always strive to base my beliefs on logic. There are literally millions of way to support and rebut any position, but it comes down to this: If you don't value human life, what do you value?
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I think I have a sliding scale of value on human life, and I would bet that each and every one of us here, even the most devout have that same sliding scale. I value me and mine above all others, then friends and people I care about, then strangers of like mind, then nationality, then there are the rest. Do you feel differently aboutit? Do you value all human life the same?
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 6:31:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/1/2003 6:34:41 AM EDT by The_Macallan]
Originally Posted By hielo: [red]I stick with my original postulate of a fetus becomes a baby at birth.[/red] My god agrees with it, so that is good enough for me .
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More pointless semantics. Stick to moneychanging pal 'cause you and your 'god' don't know SHIT about human biology. [whacko] [i]"There is nothing so stupid as an educated man, if you get off the thing that he was educated in." [/i] ~ Will Rogers. You prove that maxim every time you open your piehole [b]heilo[/b] [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 6:33:36 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 6:42:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
Originally Posted By hielo:
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed: I always strive to base my beliefs on logic. There are literally millions of way to support and rebut any position, but it comes down to this: If you don't value human life, what do you value?
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I think I have a sliding scale of value on human life, and I would bet that each and every one of us here, even the most devout have that same sliding scale. I value me and mine above all others, then friends and people I care about, then strangers of like mind, then nationality, then there are the rest. Do you feel differently aboutit? Do you value all human life the same?
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I value all human life equally.
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Interesting, then pardon me for going with the easy and quick question (as I have some christian children I need to prepare for our supper tonight), but lets say an attacker is in the process of killing your child, do you kill him to stop his action, or as you value all life equally, you allow him to continue on with what he is doing?
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 6:43:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/1/2003 6:43:55 AM EDT by The_Macallan]
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
Originally Posted By hielo: I will always be able to fall back on the fact that my god has no problem with abortion. Blind faith .
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You didn't mention who your god was?
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[b]hielo's[/b] "god" is five justices on the Supreme Court. [b][i][red]"There is no higher authority than the U.S. Supreme Court"[/red][/i] ~ heilo [/b]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=193377&page=4 [LOLabove] [b]heilo[/b] worships the god named "Ginsberg-Stevens-Breyer-Kennedy-Souter" [puke]
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 6:43:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Macallan:
Originally Posted By hielo: [red]I stick with my original postulate of a fetus becomes a baby at birth.[/red] My god agrees with it, so that is good enough for me .
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More pointless semantics. Stick to moneychanging pal 'cause you and your 'god' don't know SHIT about human biology. [whacko] [i]"There is nothing so stupid as an educated man, if you get off the thing that he was educated in." [/i] ~ Will Rogers. You prove that maxim every time you open your piehole [b]heilo[/b] [rolleyes]
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Please, then educate me, but while you do it, please leave any religous reference form the education, thanks in advance!
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 6:45:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Macallan:
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
Originally Posted By hielo: I will always be able to fall back on the fact that my god has no problem with abortion. Blind faith .
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You didn't mention who your god was?
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[b]hielo's[/b] "god" is five justices on the Supreme Court. [b][i][red]"There is no higher authority than the U.S. Supreme Court"[/red][/i] ~ heilo [/b]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=193377&page=4 [LOLabove] [b]heilo[/b] worships the god named "Ginsberg-Stevens-Breyer-Kennedy-Souter" [puke]
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Nice try, but as you know, I was stating there is no higher "legal Authority" Are you usually this repugnant to deal with, or is it just your upbringing?
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 6:47:05 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 6:51:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By hielo:
Originally Posted By The_Macallan:
Originally Posted By hielo: [red]I stick with my original postulate of a fetus becomes a baby at birth.[/red] My god agrees with it, so that is good enough for me .
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More pointless semantics. Stick to moneychanging pal 'cause you and your 'god' don't know SHIT about human biology. [whacko] [i]"There is nothing so stupid as an educated man, if you get off the thing that he was educated in." [/i] ~ Will Rogers. You prove that maxim every time you open your piehole [b]heilo[/b] [rolleyes]
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Please, then educate me,
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People usually pay me to educate them in the field of human biology - but for you, I'll do it pro bono. You know what that means don't you? [;)]
Originally Posted By hielo: but while you do it, please leave any religous reference form the education
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I ALWAYS do. It seems YOU'RE the only one bringing "your god" into this as a justification for your beliefs. So you wanna stop referring to your "god" (the SCOTUS) since it has NOTHING to do with the facts of human development? Thanks in advance!
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 6:52:59 AM EDT
Often, what the law requires of us, indeed what the law allows us to do, is often at odds with what honor requires us to do. I believe that life begins at conception and, as such, believe that abortion is murder. Very simple. I often marvel at the fact that I live in a country that sanctions the slaughter of millions of the most innocent of us all. [shakes head sadly] We shall surely pay for this abomination.
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