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Posted: 6/29/2003 5:11:02 PM EDT
...and I am awed and humbled by "[b]The Greatest Generation[/b]" all over again. We spent over six hours touring and reading. My wife and I were profoundly struck by some of the exhibits. Thumbed through a sign in log of veterans who were there and have visited the Museum. Many wrote of their experiences "over there" or of their thoughts about the Museum. Enough to get a grown man choked up. Stand next to a Higgins boat and imagine what those men faced heading into a hellstorm. Those were [b]men[/b], let me tell you. The Museum really covers more than D-Day alone. It really is about the whole war including much of the Pacific Campaign, the Home Front, etc... in addition to Europe. Amazing. I wonder if the US as a whole could mount that kind of all encompassing, Herculean effort today? Worth the trip, Gents. (New Orleans, BTW.)
Link Posted: 6/29/2003 7:27:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FiveO: I wonder if the US as a whole could mount that kind of all encompassing, Herculean effort today?
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I highly doubt it. Americans today are by and large lazy fat assed sheep with a 30 minute sit com attention span. Look at how soon 9/11 got forgotten. Noboby in this country wants their routine interrupted. Can you imagine what would happen if the kind of forced rationing that took place on the homefront were to occur today. A hundred or so soldiers get killed in Iraq and every soft-hearted dishrag liberal comes out of the woodwork demanding to bring the troops home. We lack the will to do anything decisive, we have become a nation of impotent pussies (on the whole). Men (and women for that matter) of the caliber necessary to pull off another WWII are a dying breed. Shit, kids can't even play Army anymore.... Lets face it, we've lost the country.
Link Posted: 6/30/2003 8:27:34 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:23:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By JackBurton:
Originally Posted By FiveO: I wonder if the US as a whole could mount that kind of all encompassing, Herculean effort today?
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I highly doubt it. Americans today are by and large lazy fat assed sheep with a 30 minute sit com attention span. Look at how soon 9/11 got forgotten. Noboby in this country wants their routine interrupted. Can you imagine what would happen if the kind of forced rationing that took place on the homefront were to occur today. A hundred or so soldiers get killed in Iraq and every soft-hearted dishrag liberal comes out of the woodwork demanding to bring the troops home. We lack the will to do anything decisive, we have become a nation of impotent pussies (on the whole). Men (and women for that matter) of the caliber necessary to pull off another WWII are a dying breed. Shit, kids can't even play Army anymore.... Lets face it, we've lost the country.
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I was going to reply with rightous indignation at your assertion. Then I realized that you're probably right. Can you imagine the howls from Hollywood when we tell them that electricity is being rationed so they won't be able to make their movies or soak in their hot tubs? Can you imagine the shreaks from the Left if REAL censorship is imposed in order to protect the lives of our boys? Can you imagine the guilt trip the Liberals would lay on us when the body bags began arriving? I really though America had changed after 9/11. I knew it hadn't when an awesome and entirely approriate "Infinite Justice" became the defanged and impotent "Enduring Freedom". Sad. So sad. This "America" was such a fine idea... [V]
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:33:50 AM EDT
People today are slaves to their comfort who are terrified at the thought of being inconvenienced. I salute The Greatest Generation and have taught my children the significance of their achievements and appreciation of their sacrifice.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:34:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Zaphod: I was going to reply with rightous indignation at your assertion. Then I realized that you're probably right.
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Me too, That's pretty funny Zaphod. God this is so sad. We are in for a revolution, it's the only way to fix things at this point. I think most people realize that and yet are scared of that as well.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:35:30 AM EDT
I too was humbled, it would take at least 2 days to got thru every exhibit and absorb everything. If we as a nation were to ever experience an event like that again, it certainly would seperate the men from the boys and real Americans from the dogs. If there is one reason to go to New Orleans, the D-Day Museum is it. Imagine a war dragging on as long as WW2.............
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:38:00 AM EDT
I agree with the sentiments... That truly was the Greatest Generation. Those MEN had more guts than 10 times as many people in this country today. I even doubt I could be as much of a man as those that stormed the beaches, and fought to put down an evil empire. I plan on going to a tournament in N.O. next spring. I want to take an extra day JUST for going to the D-Day Museum. I will tote my digicam along, so I will get as many pictures as possible. They will be shared here. God bless our veterans, those alive, and those who have died. They are truly heroes who deserve to be honored for all time.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 5:50:13 AM EDT
I'm not so sure we don't yet have greatness left in us. As a whole, I doubt we could ever match those feats, though we may never be called to do so. Those men were the finest of the best. I don't think their feats of courage will ever be matched on that scale. But I ask these questions of any of you right now: Would YOU dodge a draft? If the world went to war again -- with what looked like defeat on the horizon -- would YOU shy away? Or would you stand up and fight?? Maybe our time will come, I know the folks I will be standing shoulder to shoulder with, it's sounds like some of us are not so sure.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 6:15:39 AM EDT
I cannot help but think that if one were to exchange a cross section of todays generation with the generation of that era.......we would all be speaking German or Japanese today. We are NOT up to the task!!
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 8:57:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Matthew_Q: I plan on going to a tournament in N.O. next spring. I want to take an extra day JUST for going to the D-Day Museum. I will tote my digicam along, so I will get as many pictures as possible. They will be shared here.
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Mardi Gras? Is that still run by Warped/Draxxus? Alex
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 9:29:06 AM EDT
One of the big reasons we were successful in WWII was our impressive industrial and manufacturing capabilities. Today, those hardly exist. The first thing we'd have to do would be to invade Mexico and China just to get factories for building war material. Any modern large scale war effort like WWII would also likely be crippled by Hollywood and the news media. Unless they were put in "containment camps" for the duration. [rolleyes]
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Link Posted: 7/1/2003 9:54:04 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Alex_F:
Originally Posted By Matthew_Q: I plan on going to a tournament in N.O. next spring. I want to take an extra day JUST for going to the D-Day Museum. I will tote my digicam along, so I will get as many pictures as possible. They will be shared here.
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Mardi Gras? Is that still run by Warped/Draxxus? Alex
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It's a fencing tournament. Can't remember what they call it or who sponsors it. ;)
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 10:12:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By marvl: One of the big reasons we were successful in WWII was our impressive industrial and manufacturing capabilities. Today, those hardly exist. The first thing we'd have to do would be to invade Mexico and China just to get factories for building war material.
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Exactly. Remington Rand was a typewriter manufacturing company. Singer was and is a sewing machine manufacturer. We no longer manufacture these types of products in the US. I seriously wonder how this would affect our ability to sustain a war effort.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 10:21:34 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 11:29:03 AM EDT
Back in "the day" it was common for those who volunteered and were rejected to commit suicide. We can't say the same is true today. We can't blame everything on today's youth and what not. WWII was fought because the Nazi's, Italians, and Japanese planned to take over the entire world. There hasn't been a war on such a grand scale since (thank God). It's easy for the public in general to critisize the Korean, Vietnam, and Persian Gulf 1 & 2 conflicts because world wide tyranny isn't involved, directly anyway. I may not always support our government but i'll [b]always[/b] support the men and women who have sworn away their constitutional rights, fight for freedom even if it's not our own, and be willing to give their life for God, country, and their fellow brothers in arms. I bet the majority of us would be shocked by the number of youngsters volunteering for service if another war of WWI magnitude ever broke out. At least I sure hope so...
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 1:29:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/1/2003 1:33:45 PM EDT by FiveO]
I could not help but think of my Grandparents and the stories they told about the rationing... People today would protest, sue, riot, etc if they were told they could have only five gallons of gas aweek. "It is my RIGHT to drive my Excursion!!!" The War was a total National effort. People willingly sacrificed for the greater good. We were [i]United[/i] States. My Grandfathers interaction with each other through my life was telling in retrospect. Both were 2-A 9I believe) which means that they were fit but deferred due to essential occupations, both were ship fitters. My Maternal Grandfather worked for a year or two during the war but his brothers were all drafted or volunteered so he volunteered for the Marines but ended up in the Navy on a Destroyer Escort (Funny story there. Grandpa was a good Southern Man and not unlike most of his time a staunch racist... He was assigned to the first ship in the Navy named after a black person. [url=http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-h/de678.htm]USS Harmon (DE-678)[/url] He joked about it for his entire life afterwards.) He said he did not WANT to go but he knew that although he was serving his country by his trade his palce was "over there."He left my Grandmother pregnant and did not see my Uncle untill he was almost 3 years old. My Paternal Grandfather for whatever reasons held his 2-A status and never served. He was always reluctant to speak about the War years and would change the subject quickly. He and my other Grandfather never really got along and there was always this unknown thing between them. I feel it was the different paths they took during that time. It was that significant to people then.
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 1:42:13 PM EDT
There are still a few who are capable of great acts of sacrifice... Today as it was then it would be up to the few to inspire the many...
Link Posted: 7/1/2003 1:43:56 PM EDT
There are still a few who are capable of great acts of sacrifice... Today as it was then it would be up to the few to inspire the many...
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