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Posted: 6/26/2003 10:51:14 AM EDT
Boy I'm going to reget this.. I have been following the gay posts here and I [as a gay man]would really like to know what you all think the "gay agenda" wants . [special rights],I'm trying to be open to both sides kind of guy.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:02:28 AM EDT
Acceptance for their lifestyle... To the point that 'domestic partners' are equal to married man and wife. There are a few municipalities around Cleveland that are putting it on the ballot.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:04:57 AM EDT
the "gay agenda" wants to normalize what many feel to be either a perversion of nature or a sin against God. either way lot's of people feel that by teaching children "being gay is ok" you are undermining society. personally I don't care what you do but I feel there are a lot of homosexuals who make it their business to mention "what they are" at every opportunity. even at the most inopportune times. it's like they feel they can be excepted by putting something in my face 24/7. if you take something I love (like beer) and made me look at it and drink it constantly I would eventually get sick of it and never want to hear or see beer again. that's where I am with "the gay lifestyle". good luck, enjoy your life. let's both agree to disagree and live in peace.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:05:38 AM EDT
Hey if two gay men want to gewt married. Who cares? I dont know why it bothers people so much? I guess I can understand all the brainwashed bible thumpers going nuts, hell they will never change. But really... what does anyone care what two gay men or women do in the bedroom? If it isnt hurting anyone who gives a fuck!
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:06:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By illigb: Acceptance for their lifestyle... To the point that 'domestic partners' are equal to married man and wife. There are a few municipalities around Cleveland that are putting it on the ballot.
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Why do married people have more 'rights' than single people, straight or gay?
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:10:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Silence: Why do married people have more 'rights' than single people, straight or gay?
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I don't think they have more rights, but one thing is certain; The "traditional" family is the building block of society and contributes more to it than anything else...
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:11:32 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Silence:
Originally Posted By illigb: Acceptance for their lifestyle... To the point that 'domestic partners' are equal to married man and wife. There are a few municipalities around Cleveland that are putting it on the ballot.
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Why do married people have more 'rights' than single people, straight or gay?
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They don't. Marriage is defined as a legal joining of a man a wife. Why do gay people want to change the definition? I don't care what consenting adults do in their own bedrooms.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:14:31 AM EDT
I don't feels it right to force a church that doesn't accept gay people to accept me.But the state is another story, I pay taxes just like all of you and I what the same rights that you have.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:15:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By illigb:
Originally Posted By Silence:
Originally Posted By illigb: Acceptance for their lifestyle... To the point that 'domestic partners' are equal to married man and wife. There are a few municipalities around Cleveland that are putting it on the ballot.
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Why do married people have more 'rights' than single people, straight or gay?
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They don't. Marriage is defined as a legal joining of a man a wife. Why do gay people want to change the definition? I don't care what consenting adults do in their own bedrooms.
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life, health insurance.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:18:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By StonerStudent: I don't feels it right to force a church that doesn't accept gay people to accept me.But the state is another story, I pay taxes just like all of you and I what the same rights that you have.
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What rights do straights have that you do not have? Are you denied trash collection because you are gay? Are you not allowed to vote? Use public parks?
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:24:30 AM EDT
I have nothing to add but I did find it funny that this thread was right above this thread inthe GD list page. [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=192991[/url]
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:27:49 AM EDT
I think the "gay agenda" is to be looked upon as "normal". I think that some people distort the agenda and use it for attention grabbing. If you want to be gay, I don't care. But don't shove it in my face, k? You see, I developed a very relaxed attitude towards the whole issue when I was still a teenager. Gay guys aren't competing for women, and 99% of the gay women I've seen were not attractive. (the two shaved head, massively overweight women I saw at the store the other day come to mind) I'm rambling and will shut up now. J
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:32:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U: I guess I can understand all the brainwashed bible thumpers going nuts, hell they will never change.
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This is pretty much the root of it all. Simply put, the right believes that the gay agenda is anything mainstreaming homosexuals. A desire not to be associated with any acceptance of the existance of homosexuals drives most of it. Many are malicious, but most just get saturated with S&M images of gay pride parades, which cloud their judgement in thinking rationally about gays. Unfortunately, the radical element of the gay culture shares the blame, but pushing the limits, and provoking battles. If normalization is the end goal, be normal. I was once a big homophobe. Anything that wasn't "manly" was taboo, and just too feminine. I 'lost' several fine women because of this behavior. I'd give a lot to turn back the clock for a couple of them. Then, I pretty much came to the conclusion that it is nature rather than nurture, and started to make peace with it. I realized that most of my concerns were trumped up, as my active dislike was a subconcious (and sometimes concious) distancing mechanisim. I suspect this behavior is normal in late teen/early twentysomething hetero men.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:32:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U: Hey if two gay men want to gewt married. Who cares? I dont know why it bothers people so much? I guess I can understand all the brainwashed bible thumpers going nuts, hell they will never change. But really... what does anyone care what two gay men or women do in the bedroom? If it isnt hurting anyone who gives a fuck!
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couldn't have said it better myself. What I don't understand about Christians, is that they believe everyone came from one god, how is it their place calling or judging anyone as a perversion?
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:37:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By illigb:
Originally Posted By Silence:
Originally Posted By illigb: Acceptance for their lifestyle... To the point that 'domestic partners' are equal to married man and wife. There are a few municipalities around Cleveland that are putting it on the ballot.
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Why do married people have more 'rights' than single people, straight or gay?
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They don't. Marriage is defined as a legal joining of a man a wife. Why do gay people want to change the definition? I don't care what consenting adults do in their own bedrooms.
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Ok 'rights' is not a good word. How about 'advantages'? Like tax breaks, health insurance, a plethora of 'things' that are better/easier if you are a 'married' couple. Why should the union of male/female, be different legally from a female/female, male/male, female/male/female, male/female/male, etc. I agree with Sen Sanatorum, if you are going to recognize gay marriage you should also recognize any union of consenting adults, of course I go further and say that if you are going to recognize 'straight' marriage, and provide it with benifits ferived from that recognition, then you should also give those benefits to every union of consenting adults.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:40:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By StonerStudent: I don't feels it right to force a church that doesn't accept gay people to accept me.But the state is another story, I pay taxes just like all of you and I what the same rights that you have.
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[size=6][b]NO!, next question.[/b][/red][/size=6]
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:47:21 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Scottman:
Originally Posted By Silence: Why do married people have more 'rights' than single people, straight or gay?
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I don't think they have more rights, but one thing is certain; The "traditional" family is the building block of society and contributes more to it than anything else...
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As my friend Al Rantel (gay talk radio host in Los Angeles) says, "I'm grateful to heterosexuals,...without them I wouldn't be here." His outlook is pretty much live your life but don't expect the world to applaud or do more than tolerate it. I'm pretty sure he regards gay marriage as a fraud but doesn't have anything against them legally binding themselves to each other, just don't expect the average heterosexual couple to see you as the "same". He's very much against those who flaunt their lifestyle in a "deal with it" way and that in the long run they will never get any positive returns on this behavior only some place in JJ's "rainbow parade" of losers.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:47:54 AM EDT
I didn't believe there was any advantage to getting married. Then after I got married I saw all the tax breaks, insurance benefits, and all kinds of things sudenly open up. Why my motorcycle and car insurance would go down by half I don't know, but I like it. That being said I support gay marrage. I don't see why a man-man or woman-woman couple would be less beneficiary to society then a man and woman joining.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:48:28 AM EDT
Silence, The government subsidizes behavior with tax breaks and other perks that it sees for whatever reason as best for the common good. Male/female unions bring about new taxpayers. Marriage is defined in the Bible as the union of man and wife. Why would so many admitted non-Christians want to define themselves in Christian terms?
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:49:52 AM EDT
Then they should REALLY be subsidising polygamy, right? I mean it gives us lots of new taxpayers.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:50:12 AM EDT
Nice to see that some people are finally coming around. I have no problem with same-sex civil unions (I won't call them marriages). Also, domestic partner benefits for insurance as well as taxation. Of course, I think everyone should be taxed the same and there should be no preferences for people with kids, home mortgages, gambling debts, stock losses, etc. And yes, I do support gay adoptions as well.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:53:21 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:56:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U: Hey if two gay men want to gewt married. Who cares? I dont know why it bothers people so much? I guess I can understand all the brainwashed bible thumpers going nuts, hell they will never change. But really... what does anyone care what two gay men or women do in the bedroom? If it isnt hurting anyone who gives a fuck!
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Here's my post from one of the other gay threads. I think this applies in this thread as well. [red]Homosexuality is not a sin. Practicing homosexuality is. The stomach turning aspects of homosexuality are many. But let's sidestep the obvious disgust involved in imagining the actual act of a man ramming his penis into another's rectum for sexual pleasure. Although that does bring up a question. If you are capable of performing such an act, what exactly will you NOT stick your penis in? A dog? A blender? It's pretty sick from an anatomical standpoint. The most unaddressed and most sickening aspect of the whole subject is the concept of "normalizing" such behavior. Hey! It's "natural" to be gay. It's "normal" to be gay! It's genetic! Bullshit. If its natural or genetic, why do programs like Exodus have such high success rates? The next issue will be pedophilia. "It's genetic. They have no choice in their sexual orientation." Then zoophilia, etc. Remember the RKBA parable - "They came for my rifle, and I said nothing...." It holds true for these sexual orientation issues as well. "They screwed each others ass and I said nothing..." There is clearly a line in the sand. Most people choose to ignore it. I really get sick of some people on this site saying stuff like, "Hey, if they don't bother me, it's OK." Again, bullshit. Most of this "tolerance wisdom" is spouted by 20-year-olds who actually believe they know jack shit about life or the world. [/red]
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:57:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By illigb: The government subsidizes behavior with tax breaks and other perks that it sees for whatever reason as best for the common good.
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I doubt there's ever been a tax break given with this motivation. Garnering favor with voters, would be the real one, even if this is given as a reason.
Male/female unions bring about new taxpayers.
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So do slutty 14 year olds.
Marriage is defined in the Bible as the union of man and wife. Why would so many admitted non-Christians want to define themselves in Christian terms?
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It's because we live in a country with strong Christian heritage. Contrary to popular belief, I don't believe that everything Christian is bad. It's not a bad societal structure to live within, the mythical/diety part is what just drives me up a wall.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:58:50 AM EDT
The "Gay Agenda" is another catch phrase used to demonize equal rights for gays, much as "Assault Rifles" is used to demonize sport/utility rifles. It is full of preconceptions and half truths and is used to shout down the other side. Personally, I think the real "gay agenda" is to considered the same as everyone else, including access to legal marriage and the benefits of it. I think we'll get there eventually, but it will take time.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 11:58:50 AM EDT
[IMG]http://pic1.picturetrail.com/VOL106/755827/2307472/28190828.jpg[/IMG]
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 12:04:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TWIRE: Hey! It's "natural" to be gay. It's "normal" to be gay! It's genetic! Bullshit. If its natural or genetic, why do programs like Exodus have such high success rates?
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I suspect that it's because the type of person that joins these programs is conflicted via his religion, thus is much more likely to 'buy into' the cure. I doubt you'd see success if you did this on a random sample of homosexuals.
I really get sick of some people on this site saying stuff like, "Hey, if they don't bother me, it's OK." Again, bullshit. Most of this "tolerance wisdom" is spouted by 20-year-olds who actually believe they know jack shit about life or the world.
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Hardly! I'm just the king of MY castle. I don't feel the need to tell others how they must behave (at risk of legal sanction) within their castles.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 12:06:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jrzy: [IMG]http://pic1.picturetrail.com/VOL106/755827/2307472/28190828.jpg[/IMG]
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Hi jrzy....nice of you to stop by
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 12:10:50 PM EDT
Ok I have one that I feel is a special right.Hate crimes laws, making a crime against one person over another...BS.I know why the LGBT wants it,But to me it's going to turm in to thought crimes which I'm AGAINST.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 12:12:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
Originally Posted By jrzy: [IMG]http://pic1.picturetrail.com/VOL106/755827/2307472/28190828.jpg[/IMG]
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Hi jrzy....nice of you to stop by
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Just another "look at me I'm gay thread" [size=5][violet]Being queer[/violet] = abfucking normal[/size=5]
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 12:16:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
Originally Posted By jrzy: [IMG]http://pic1.picturetrail.com/VOL106/755827/2307472/28190828.jpg[/IMG]
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Hi jrzy....nice of you to stop by
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Just another "look at me I'm gay thread" [size=5][violet]Being queer[/violet] = abfucking normal[/size=5]
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Hey jrzy got tired of getting slapped around by the BLUE WALL ,so you thought you'd have a go at the PINK PISTOL huh?
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 12:23:02 PM EDT
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A big part of the gasy "agenda" is Marraige type benifits for your "partners." It's relatively easy for an employer to offer health insurance and such to aan employees spouse. The average employee only changes souses perhaps twice in his entire career. However Gays and Lesbians change partners at a much higher rate. Insuring the partners of Gays and Lesbians would cost a fortune becuase of the high turnover rate. My employer has a large number of Lesbian employees. They change partners several times a year. IF an employer decides to offer insurance benifits to the partners of gays and lesbians, then that employer will likely end up being sued by his straight but unmarried employees who want benifits for their boyfriends and girlfriends. No employer wants to have to offer health insures benifits for every woman one of their employees drags home from the bar on a saturday night. Edited to add: after reading this thread you all have convinced me. I'm going to demand my employer provide health insurance benifits for my mistress, my girlfriend, and the slut I met at the bar last weekend.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 12:44:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By StonerStudent: Boy I'm going to reget this.. I have been following the gay posts here and I [as a gay man]would really like to know what you all think the "gay agenda" wants . [special rights],I'm trying to be open to both sides kind of guy.
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Seriously I don't care if you are gay. Not really my business or my concern, I got bigger things to worry about. However, I am pissed about some special rights any specific interest gets. I don't like Hate Crime laws and homosexuals are one group protected by them. I understand the "intent" but in practice you end up with "thought crimes." If I beat you up (for any reason) or burn down your house (for any reason) charge me with assault or arson. You you legislate "thinking" you no longer have freedom, and we don't. I don't like your fucking parades. I don't get a parade with floats loaded with drunk, horny, almost naked stripper quality babes who will do a little street hanky panky with me in the interest of promoting a heterosexual lifestyle so neither should you. I don't get my parade, you shouldn't get your parade. I don't like ANY agenda that demands I accept it. I will reject it on those grounds alone. This means I don't want to see two fucking guys kissing on Melrose Place. My lifestyle isn't represented on TV eitehr so deal with it. If Melrose Place doesn't have a survivalist who wears tiger stripe BDUs with a AR15 who tells the rest of the building they are a bunch of fucking socialists then why should you be represented and a homosexual egenda promoted to me. Now if you get your own "gay tv" channel that is subscriber only like Playboy TV or OLN, something like "The Flamers Network" then that is fine, just warn me. Otherwise I don't want to see fags when I watch TV and I don't want to have to explain to my kids why two men are kissing. So bsically do what you want but don't bother me with it. Be gay. Have a gay party, and shove bowling pins up your asses for fun and amusement. I don't care, it's not my business. But at the same time don't come around telling me I have to be aware of accepting of your lifestyle. I won't be. And if you try and force me to accept it you will get a more negative reaction. I hope this helps and leads to a better understanding and greater tolerance of each others freedoms. [:D]
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 12:58:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U: Hey if two gay men want to gewt married. Who cares? I dont know why it bothers people so much? I guess I can understand all the brainwashed bible thumpers going nuts, hell they will never change. But really... what does anyone care what two gay men or women do in the bedroom? If it isnt hurting anyone who gives a fuck!
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It not what they do [i] in the bedroom[/i] that's the problem- it them expecting and demanding special accommodations for their freakish lifestyle. They don't deserve insurance benefits/breaks or 'antidiscrimination' laws/protection just because they choose to take a dick in their ass. You want to be a weirdo- you take your chances like everyone else.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 1:23:05 PM EDT
i have a friend that poles fat chicks. i think this is abhorrent. i think he expects special treatment (i.e. me buying him large quantities of alcohol) because of his lifestyle. i think we should ban gay sex [b]and[/b] plumper sex, too!
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 1:51:07 PM EDT
Is a gay couple more or less likely to have health problems? I have no clue but due to how 2 males have sex I figure they are at more risk. But I don't know so I ask. As for being accepted, I used to feel the gay community could do their thing and I would simply ignore it. Then we got more parades on the news. We got gay couples suing to adopt kids. We got sex ed using books like "someone has two mommies." We got hate crime in the law system and it held up to challenges. TV sucks all the way around but the gay stuff was getting a lot worse when I wound up pulling my big c-band dish out of the ground. I no longer accept it. If a gay couple wants a kid, they should be able to have one naturally. Since they can't, I simply tell people I run into that maybe mother nature knows something they don't. Of course darwin explanations work well also. Act like a well rounded person in public and I will not care which way you sway. Make a spectacle of yourself, and you get attention which is what you after.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 1:52:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
Originally Posted By jrzy: [IMG]http://pic1.picturetrail.com/VOL106/755827/2307472/28190828.jpg[/IMG]
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Hi jrzy....nice of you to stop by
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Just another "look at me I'm gay thread" [size=5][violet]Being queer[/violet] = abfucking normal[/size=5]
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jrzy, why is it that a thread immediately degrades into mindless insults and name calling whenever you show up?
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 2:11:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By StonerStudent: I don't feels it right to force a church that doesn't accept gay people to accept me.But the state is another story, I pay taxes just like all of you and I what the same rights that you have.
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Marraige is an institution built around the perpetuation of the species. Homosexuals don't perpetuate the species, they destroy it. The Natural Law concepts upon which our country was built, holds Marraige as between a Man, and a Woman. It is neither, "Normal", nor "Natural", behavior. It is contrary to Natural law, as well as God's law. Recognition of homosexuals means another minority in the line in front of whitey! [:D]
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 2:18:54 PM EDT
I will chime in here. Marriage in a religious context: The joining of a man and a women to procreate to bring more people into the religion. Marriage in a social context: The joining of a couple in a civil contract which garners benefits and has responsibilities. One can argue that they don't recognize a religious marriage of a same sex couple, as they do not agree with the lifestyle. I will agree that churches should not be forced to perform or sanctify the joining of a couple for religious or lifestyle reasons. However, I cannot see why a joining of a same sex couple in a civil contract to enjoy the benefits and responsibilities of a marriage. Every religion has some sort of marriage ceremony and is recognized by the church, and most times, recognized by the state and private institutions. So what if you disagree? I am sure there are hard core Christians out there that disagree with other religions, Hindu, Muslim, Zen Buddhism; does that make their marriage in the eyes of state any less valid because a group of people disagree? Employers have been offering domestic partnership insurance coverage for unmarried people for some time now, and it isn't only homosexuals taking advantage of the offering. My g/f is going on my insurance policy when she quits her full time job to go back to school. If two people in a committed relationship want to enjoy the benefits and responsibilities of marriage, why begrudge them of that? Because you think their lifestyle and choices are abhorrent? Mighty arrogant of you to make decisions for other people. There are plenty of straight people I know who have lifestyles I find abhorrent and people I think should not be married, but that isn't my business or my decision to make. There are many benefits of marriage, beyond insurance and tax relief. Things like estate protection and medical decisions are very important benefits and legal protection that a married couple enjoy. Why can't a same sex couple have the same recognition? -934
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 2:20:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
Originally Posted By StonerStudent: Boy I'm going to reget this.. I have been following the gay posts here and I [as a gay man]would really like to know what you all think the "gay agenda" wants . [special rights],I'm trying to be open to both sides kind of guy.
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Seriously I don't care if you are gay. Not really my business or my concern, I got bigger things to worry about. However, I am pissed about some special rights any specific interest gets. I don't like Hate Crime laws and homosexuals are one group protected by them. I understand the "intent" but in practice you end up with "thought crimes." If I beat you up (for any reason) or burn down your house (for any reason) charge me with assault or arson. You you legislate "thinking" you no longer have freedom, and we don't. I don't like your fucking parades. I don't get a parade with floats loaded with drunk, horny, almost naked stripper quality babes who will do a little street hanky panky with me in the interest of promoting a heterosexual lifestyle so neither should you. I don't get my parade, you shouldn't get your parade. I don't like ANY agenda that demands I accept it. I will reject it on those grounds alone. This means I don't want to see two fucking guys kissing on Melrose Place. My lifestyle isn't represented on TV eitehr so deal with it. If Melrose Place doesn't have a survivalist who wears tiger stripe BDUs with a AR15 who tells the rest of the building they are a bunch of fucking socialists then why should you be represented and a homosexual egenda promoted to me. Now if you get your own "gay tv" channel that is subscriber only like Playboy TV or OLN, something like "The Flamers Network" then that is fine, just warn me. Otherwise I don't want to see fags when I watch TV and I don't want to have to explain to my kids why two men are kissing. So bsically do what you want but don't bother me with it. Be gay. Have a gay party, and shove bowling pins up your asses for fun and amusement. I don't care, it's not my business. But at the same time don't come around telling me I have to be aware of accepting of your lifestyle. I won't be. And if you try and force me to accept it you will get a more negative reaction. I hope this helps and leads to a better understanding and greater tolerance of each others freedoms. [:D]
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I couldn't have said it any better myself. CR
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 2:25:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By StonerStudent: Ok I have one that I feel is a special right.Hate crimes laws, making a crime against one person over another...BS.I know why the LGBT wants it,But to me it's going to turm in to thought crimes which I'm AGAINST.
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Ummmmm, stoner, one of the rules of debate, is ya hafta stay on your own side. One of us was supposed to think of that!! [;D] Now get your ass back over there where you belong! [;)] Ya just can't run a sucessful "hate" campaign, with all you people crossing back and forth on a whim!![:D]!!!
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 2:32:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
Originally Posted By StonerStudent: Boy I'm going to reget this.. I have been following the gay posts here and I [as a gay man]would really like to know what you all think the "gay agenda" wants . [special rights],I'm trying to be open to both sides kind of guy.
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Seriously I don't care if you are gay. Not really my business or my concern, I got bigger things to worry about. However, I am pissed about some special rights any specific interest gets.
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I agree, make no special groups with special treatment. Make EVERYONE equal.
I don't like Hate Crime laws and homosexuals are one group protected by them. I understand the "intent" but in practice you end up with "thought crimes." If I beat you up (for any reason) or burn down your house (for any reason) charge me with assault or arson. You you legislate "thinking" you no longer have freedom, and we don't.
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I agree, hate crimes are idiotic 'feel good' legislation.
I don't like your fucking parades.
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Then dont watch/participate in their parades
I don't get a parade with floats loaded with drunk, horny, almost naked stripper quality babes who will do a little street hanky panky with me in the interest of promoting a heterosexual lifestyle so neither should you.
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Erm, Ever been to Mardi Gras? Or Carnival?
I don't get my parade, you shouldn't get your parade.
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You want a parade? then start one!!!
I don't like ANY agenda that demands I accept it.
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But do you mind forcing you agenda on others?
I will reject it on those grounds alone. This means I don't want to see two fucking guys kissing on Melrose Place.
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Then dont watch it, this is a free country, if you dont like the channel or what is being shown, switch it, there are several hundred more out there.
My lifestyle isn't represented on TV eitehr so deal with it. If Melrose Place doesn't have a survivalist who wears tiger stripe BDUs with a AR15 who tells the rest of the building they are a bunch of fucking socialists then why should you be represented and a homosexual egenda promoted to me. Now if you get your own "gay tv" channel that is subscriber only like Playboy TV or OLN,
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I thought you just said that your lifestyle wasnt represented?
something like "The Flamers Network" then that is fine, just warn me. Otherwise I don't want to see fags when I watch TV and I don't want to have to explain to my kids why two men are kissing. So bsically do what you want but don't bother me with it. Be gay. Have a gay party, and shove bowling pins up your asses for fun and amusement. I don't care, it's not my business. But at the same time don't come around telling me I have to be aware of accepting of your lifestyle. I won't be. And if you try and force me to accept it you will get a more negative reaction. I hope this helps and leads to a better understanding and greater tolerance of each others freedoms. [:D]
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Do you support special priveledges for marriage?
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 2:43:09 PM EDT
It's like herdin' Cats around here sometimes....[:D]
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 2:46:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TWIRE: [red]Homosexuality is not a sin. Practicing homosexuality is.
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And you start it all out with the irrelevancy of religious Bullshit! [rolleyes]
The stomach turning aspects of homosexuality are many. But let's sidestep the obvious disgust involved in imagining the actual act of a man ramming his penis into another's rectum for sexual pleasure. Although that does bring up a question. If you are capable of performing such an act, what exactly will you NOT stick your penis in? A dog? A blender? It's pretty sick from an anatomical standpoint.
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Sort of like the anti gunners they try to paint an emotional picture to most that would make them want to side with you just to be on the "good side" Not going to happen. Men rammed their dicks in female ass's too ya know.
The most unaddressed and most sickening aspect of the whole subject is the concept of "normalizing" such behavior. Hey! It's "natural" to be gay. It's "normal" to be gay! It's genetic!
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Not Normalization, but saying its your right to practice gay relationships. [size=5] You want to live in America and celebrate is freedoms. But only your idea of freedom! WTF? Here in America there are freedoms you are not going to like, but you have no say what's good for a group of people practicing those rights. You have no right to try and take away their rights[/size=5]
If its natural or genetic, why do programs like Exodus have such high success rates? The next issue will be pedophilia. "It's genetic. They have no choice in their sexual orientation." Then zoophilia, etc.
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And who is saying these programs work? The people who run these programs? OFCOURSE THEY SAY IT WORKS! [stick]
Remember the RKBA parable - "They came for my rifle, and I said nothing...." It holds true for these sexual orientation issues as well. "They screwed each others ass and I said nothing..." There is clearly a line in the sand. Most people choose to ignore it.
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They can not confiscate "people" Your point in bunk.
I really get sick of some people on this site saying stuff like, "Hey, if they don't bother me, it's OK." Again, bullshit. Most of this "tolerance wisdom" is spouted by 20-year-olds who actually believe they know jack shit about life or the world. [/red]
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Well, I don't hunt and I don't like to hunt. But IT doesnt not offend me so I am not going to be ANTI-Hunting/hunters. Its called minding my own business and not judging others...look into it.
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Link Posted: 6/26/2003 2:49:33 PM EDT
I'm starting to think StonerStudent just happens to be the only one here brave enough to "come out". Others are just silent. [;)]
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 2:57:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CR_OPSO: I'm starting to think StonerStudent just happens to be the only one here brave enough to "come out". Others are just silent. [;)]
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Ok, speak up then. How long have you beeen gay?
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 2:58:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By liberty86:
Originally Posted By StonerStudent: I don't feels it right to force a church that doesn't accept gay people to accept me.But the state is another story, I pay taxes just like all of you and I what the same rights that you have.
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Marraige is an institution built around the perpetuation of the species. Homosexuals don't perpetuate the species, they destroy it. The Natural Law concepts upon which our country was built, holds Marraige as between a Man, and a Woman. It is neither, "Normal", nor "Natural", behavior. It is contrary to Natural law, as well as God's law. Recognition of homosexuals means another minority in the line in front of whitey! [:D]
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Ok...just how am I destroying marriage? and if Marriage is an institution built around the perpetuation of the species. That means that people who can't have children [medicaly]can't be married ether.And now we know were the name breeder comes from.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 2:58:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CR_OPSO: .....Others are just silent. [;)]
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Nothing wrong with that! Maybe I'll start a thread about my heterosexual monogamously moral lifestyle.....nah, there's nothing [i]"attention getting"[/i] or [i]"Look at me! Look at me!"[/i] about it. Nevermind.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 3:02:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Boom_Stick:
Originally Posted By CR_OPSO: .....Others are just silent. [;)]
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Nothing wrong with that! Maybe I'll start a thread about my heterosexual monogamously moral lifestyle.....nah, there's nothing [i]"attention getting"[/i] or [i]"Look at me! Look at me!"[/i] about it. Nevermind.
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That will work for me, I'm a big beleiver in monogamously moral lifestyles.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 3:04:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Johnny_Reno:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By StonerStudent:
Originally Posted By jrzy: [IMG]http://pic1.picturetrail.com/VOL106/755827/2307472/28190828.jpg[/IMG]
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Hi jrzy....nice of you to stop by
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Just another "look at me I'm gay thread" [size=5][violet]Being queer[/violet] = abfucking normal[/size=5]
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jrzy, why is it that a thread immediately degrades into mindless insults and name calling whenever you show up?
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Johnny_Reno Show me where I insulted anyone. I nwas brought up calling homosexuals "queer" , the word queer means "strange ,not normal" I don't have to be so "PC" that I call queers "gay",fuck that you call them what you want and I'll call them what I want. I didn't call him a flaming faggot did I? I call em as [b]I[/b] see em,don't like it? Skip what I write.
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 3:06:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U:
Originally Posted By CR_OPSO: I'm starting to think StonerStudent just happens to be the only one here brave enough to "come out". Others are just silent. [;)]
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Ok, speak up then. How long have you beeen gay?
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If you mean happy, then all my life - can't really complain. If you mean homosexual, then my statement above wouldn't have been "I'm starting to think..." instead it would read "I know...". I was curious as to who'd be 1st to respond that way. Sorry dude, I like womenz and no, you can't have my number. CR
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