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Posted: 6/25/2003 5:56:55 AM EDT
Snoop Dogg, whose real name is Calvin Broadus, was convicted in 1990 of possession of cocaine for sale, and authorities said it is illegal for a felon to possess weapons or hire armed security guards. It is illegal under federal law to "carry or use firearms in connection with the protection of a prohibited person," Gordon said
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==================================================================================== Three Members Of Snoop Dogg's Entourage Arrested LOS ANGELES 6.25.03, 1:26a - Snoop Dogg could face criminal charges in connection with the arrests of three men who delivered the rapper-actor to the BET Awards in a gray armored van, authorities said. Two of the three arrested outside Tuesday's awards show were unarmed but wanted by authorities for unidentified misdemeanor crimes. The third, who was also unarmed, was wanted on parole violations. Six others were armed and detained by authorities. They identified themselves as Snoop Dogg's security detail, said Joe Gordon, assistant special agent in charge for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. They were released but Gordon said charges would be presented to federal prosecutors that could involve Snoop Dogg, who was not detained but spoke briefly with his lawyer outside the Kodak Theatre. Possible charges include associating with the armed men. Snoop Dogg, whose real name is Calvin Broadus, was convicted in 1990 of possession of cocaine for sale, and authorities said it is illegal for a felon to possess weapons or hire armed security guards. It is illegal under federal law to "carry or use firearms in connection with the protection of a prohibited person," Gordon said. "The prohibited person would be a hub of the case," under those charges, Gordon said. "The people that had firearms would be the spokes of the wheel." The charges carry a penalty of up to 10 years in federal prison The awards, presented by the Black Entertainment Television network, recognize people of color in music, film and sports categories.They are voted on by record label executives, news media representatives and fans. An attorney for the 31-year-old rapper, Hayes Michel, did not immediately return a message left by The Associated Press at his office Tuesday night. The Associated Press
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 6:04:50 AM EDT
Gee... what a surprise... [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 6:04:52 AM EDT
I'll have to check and see if Teddy Kennedy is a convicted felon. [:)]
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Link Posted: 6/25/2003 6:09:13 AM EDT
Local LA radio reported that the "armed men" were off-duty LAPD.
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 6:11:39 AM EDT
Dat's some bullshizzle, my nizzles.
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Link Posted: 6/25/2003 6:28:02 AM EDT
Sorry folks here is the link: [url]http://kfwb.com/news_local.asp?displayOption=&contentGUID={DCAF5F66-5A0D-4A94-8152-9401A5CEACE3}&groupName=AP Top California Headlines&siteGUID={3B62BF55-4A93-48E6-A45D-6A495DC423AD}[/url]
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"The prohibited person would be a hub of the case," under those charges, Gordon said. "The people that had firearms would be the spokes of the wheel."
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And this is what that wheel will look like: [img]http://ebay1.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_16016a9ffd4e35c8310f3f285ec9ef61/i-1.JPG[/img]
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 6:44:02 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 6:44:50 AM EDT
Does anyone really give a flying fuck?
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 7:57:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed: Would anybody complain if a cop shot that dogg? [;D]
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Considering some of the shit you say, we know you wouldnt....
Those dubbies be blingin!
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Link Posted: 6/25/2003 7:59:54 AM EDT
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I hope to God no one considers that guy a role model.
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 8:02:52 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 8:14:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed: It was a joke. I was hoping it would be taken as such.
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The first one or the second one? This time, the last time or the time before that? Any similance of civility I had for you from the past shit you have said & done is long gone. I cant believe they actually keeep you around as a mod here.
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 8:16:29 AM EDT
Its good to know that he'll get nothing, and his enterage will most likely get by with the minimum due to the fact that they were with him. Yippie.
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Link Posted: 6/25/2003 8:24:16 AM EDT
Six others were armed and detained by authorities. They identified themselves as Snoop Dogg's security detail, said Joe Gordon, assistant [red]special agent in charge for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives[/red]
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The highlited area is why you should care. WTF is the ATF involved in this?? Sgtar15
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 8:25:05 AM EDT
Don't you guys see the oppurtunity we have? A chance at "The Man" going after some people who will be discriminated against by them.
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 8:35:37 AM EDT
Whew!!! Good work boys. It makes me feel much safer to know that my Federal Law Enforcement dollars are being spent wisely, shaking down idiot doper rap stars rather than boring old criminals and terrorists.
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 8:41:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/25/2003 8:44:10 AM EDT by AR15fan]
As much money as he has, you would think he wouldnt have to hire Parolee's and Fugitives. He could afford Gavin De Breker. As for tax dollars being spent on this case. I have no problem with that. There have been too many shooting in the rap industry. Hiring Parolees and Fugitives as "security" adds to the problem.
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Link Posted: 6/25/2003 8:53:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Six others were armed and detained by authorities. They identified themselves as Snoop Dogg's security detail, said Joe Gordon, assistant [red]special agent in charge for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives[/red]
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The highlited area is why you should care. WTF is the ATF involved in this?? Sgtar15
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One of those fine legislative works by Bush has moved ATF (or at least the F part) under the Dept. of Justice. They be LEO now. Scott
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 8:53:32 AM EDT
So, a convicted felon cannot even hire someone to protect them? So I guess that the Federal Witness Protection Program will be getting shut down. Was Clinton convicted of a felony, or was it a misdemeanor charge of perjury? I think that alot of people will be affected by this. Some include: Tim Allen (convicted of possession of cocaine and distribution of cocaine), Tommy Lee (convicted of domestic violence), Vince Neil (convicted of vehiculer manslaughter/DUI), and a ton of other entertainers of both the music world and Hollywierd.
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 9:28:21 AM EDT
Originally Posted By sgtar15: WTF is the ATF involved in this?? Sgtar15
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The [b]F[/b] in BATF means "Firearms". Parolees, Felons, & Fugitives in possession of firearms. If it's federal firearms law is being broken, ATF should handle it. Local Law Enforcement does not handle Federal crimes.
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Link Posted: 6/25/2003 9:48:58 AM EDT
If society trusts him enough to have him on the streets, then society should not disallow him from being able to defend himself. In other words, if you cant trust a felon with a gun, why in the fuck is he on the street?
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 9:56:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Silence: If society trusts him enough to have him on the streets, then society should not disallow him from being able to defend himself. In other words, if you cant trust a felon with a gun, why in the fuck is he on the street?
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Ding-ding-ding...Ladies and Gentelmen, we have a winner!
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 10:12:13 AM EDT
Here's some food for thought, once a felon has done their time why isn't their bedt to society been repaid> i.e. WHy can't they vote, own guns etc as the rest of us?
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 10:21:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By redray: Does anyone really give a flying fuck?
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Yeah I do but only for this reason,
It is illegal under federal law to "carry or use firearms in connection with the protection of a prohibited person," Gordon said
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This is fucking utterly fucking ludicrous ,OK you are a convited felon, NO KABR rights,but to deny you the right to hire armed security is way off the scale with govt abuse.
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 10:21:50 AM EDT
It's kinda hard bein Snoop D-O-double-G
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 10:22:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By mattja: I hope to God no one considers that guy a role model.
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It would appear that CavVet does...
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 10:30:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By jrzy: This is fucking utterly fucking ludicrous ,OK you are a convited felon, NO KABR rights,but to deny you the right to hire armed security is way off the scale with govt abuse.
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I agree. He SHOULD have been denied the right to procreate. Scum like DoggFace should be removed from the gene pool. [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 10:33:18 AM EDT
So, why not two p's Snoopp Dogg
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 10:43:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By jrzy: This is fucking utterly fucking ludicrous ,OK you are a convited felon, NO KABR rights,but to deny you the right to hire armed security is way off the scale with govt abuse.
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This one article is the only place I have ever heard of such a law, so i suspect it's a error. Otherwise no one who did time in prison could even have a ADT or Brinks home security system with armed response. Or own a small business (jewler) and hire an armed guard. For those reason I suspect the media is taking something out of context here.
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 11:18:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/25/2003 11:52:48 AM EDT by bobbyjack]
Originally Posted By CavVet:
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed: It was a joke. I was hoping it would be taken as such.
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The first one or the second one? This time, the last time or the time before that? Any similance of civility I had for you from the past shit you have said & done is long gone. I cant believe they actually keeep you around as a mod here.
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How about a democratic post I can't or don't know how to post a poll! But CAR-VET would you like to see a poll as to whom should go,say you or Doublefeed? Thought not,chill dude! Just what is it that you think lenerd(or snoop -dog) has contributed to this site or society in general? edited to say his name is Calvin not Lenerd(excuse me Skynerd) Bob [:D]
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 11:47:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By David_Hineline: Not being able to arm yourself is just wrong. Him living in his world probably needs the guns more than most of us would.
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So if paroled you would advocate guns for Charles Manson? I'm sure Chuckie would have unique security needs.
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 11:48:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Silence: If society trusts him enough to have him on the streets, then society should not disallow him from being able to defend himself. In other words, if you cant trust a felon with a gun, why in the fuck is he on the street?
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Because of real world cost issues. Also you can trust some guy to break concrete and add to society that you would not give a gun. Or do you live in the gumdrop house down on lollipop lane?
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 11:58:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
Originally Posted By David_Hineline: Not being able to arm yourself is just wrong. Him living in his world probably needs the guns more than most of us would.
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So if paroled you would advocate guns for Charles Manson? I'm sure Chuckie would have unique security needs.
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I notice chuckie is still in jail, but yeah, if he were paroled then He should have the right and the ability to defend himself, and to be able (legally speaking) to use the tools necessary to do so. TO say otherwise plays into the hands of those that think that no one other than police or military should be trusted to keep and bear arms. Afterall if you can set the standard at 'felons' why not 'potential' felons, I mean why allow anyone that MIGHT misuse a firearm the right/abilty to one?
rickyj Because of real world cost issues. Also you can trust some guy to break concrete and add to society that you would not give a gun. Or do you live in the gumdrop house down on lollipop lane?
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Of course MR Schumer... I guess the only people in your world that should be trusted with guns are the police or the military.
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 12:36:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Silence:
rickyj Because of real world cost issues. Also you can trust some guy to break concrete and add to society that you would not give a gun. Or do you live in the gumdrop house down on lollipop lane?
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Of course MR Schumer... I guess the only people in your world that should be trusted with guns are the police or the military.
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[LOL] Come on, there is some happy medium in there. Should convicted child molesters be allowed to run day cares? Should people convicted of tax fraud be allowed to work in the IRS? This topic seems interesting enough to merit its own thread so I, as self designated topic master, am going to start one, we can continue the argument there.
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 1:22:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CavVet: Any similance of civility I had for you from the past shit you have said & done is long gone.
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Any chance we could get you to translate this sentence into standard written English? [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 2:38:02 PM EDT
now making fun of ebonics talk is racist huh? WHAAAAA MY PUSSY HURTS!
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 2:48:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By marvl:
Originally Posted By CavVet: Any similance of civility I had for you from the past shit you have said & done is long gone.
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Any chance we could get you to translate this sentence into standard written English? [rolleyes]
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Not taking a side here, but the sentence seems well written to me. Translation - CavVet's not gonna bite his tounge re: DoubleFeed any longer. AND I HATE THE CARTOON "DRAGON TALES" - glad that's off my chest.
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 3:09:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/25/2003 3:48:09 PM EDT by Only_Hits_Count]
Originally Posted By Tate:
Originally Posted By marvl:
Originally Posted By CavVet: Any similance of civility I had for you from the past shit you have said & done is long gone.
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Any chance we could get you to translate this sentence into standard written English? [rolleyes]
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Not taking a side here, but the sentence seems well written to me. Translation - CavVet's not gonna bite his tounge re: DoubleFeed any longer. AND I HATE THE CARTOON "DRAGON TALES" - glad that's off my chest.
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Well, I'm afraid "similance" isn't a word in the English language. Readability statistics: Flesch-Kinkaid reading level 7.3 >doh! text is in the right place now
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 3:12:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By redray: Does anyone really give a flying fuck?
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Yeah I do but only for this reason,
It is illegal under federal law to "carry or use firearms in connection with the protection of a prohibited person," Gordon said
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This is fucking utterly fucking ludicrous ,OK you are a convited felon, NO KABR rights,but to deny you the right to hire armed security is way off the scale with govt abuse.
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I totally agree... Did anybody stop to think that this law could potentially include any sheriff's deputy or city/metro police that signs up for extra duty assignments such as working traffic or crowd control at any of the concerts? If they intervene in the crowd swarming the band bus, and they have their sidearm...would they not be guilty of "protection of a prohibited person"??? If ANYONE with a felony that lives in a gated community with an armed security guard...are they not guilty under this statute as well? Hello?...Hollywood, are you listening? If someone with a felony record, tries to clean up his life, gets a job at a 7-11....and calls 911 for an armed robbery in progress----- are the police going to scan their records first to see if they can send an armed officer to assist in the protection of the storeclerk?
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 3:13:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed: Would anybody complain if a cop shot that dogg? [;D]
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I woulden't complain. I see first hand how his lyrics empower criminal youth to be bitter and flaunt their behavior.
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 3:28:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/25/2003 4:03:40 PM EDT by ArmdLbrl]
If someone with a felony record, tries to clean up his life, gets a job at a 7-11....and calls 911 for an armed robbery in progress----- are the police going to scan their records first to see if they can send an armed officer to assist in the protection of the storeclerk?
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The law says HIRED, you as a individual do not HIRE police. The law IS designed to keep felons from hiring hit men under the guise of private security. Its also designed to keep them from hiring off duty cops as a means of preventing off duty fraternization between law enforcement and the criminal community. If you don't have such laws you wind up like New Orleans.
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