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The purpose of spanking a child is to get their attention. Small children are not adults to be reasoned with. If you need to get their attention with a smack, do it. If you try to reason with a two year old, you will lose, and you will end up with an undisciplined, irresponsible, rude, arrogant, spoiled brat who is beyond discipline when they become an adult. Eventually, someone will get sick of their shit and beat the hell out of them. [:)] Unfortunately, they'll be too old to learn anything at that point.
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And, they'll be public school education professionals, too.....
Maybe this is part of the problem in Europe: we're seeing the impact of a generation which was not disciplined as children.
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That was certainly the case in W Germany when I grew up there in the 60s and 70s. Some REALLY spoiled brats, with no sense of limits, overblown self-worth, blaming everybody for their faults and transgressions, esp. on the playground. It was known as the anti-autoritaere Erziehung (anti-authoritarian upbringing, AKA repression-free or free ubringing)and produced little monsters who were never punished for their actions. Teacher and student assaults, bullying, drug abuse, teen sex (all kinds) skyrocketed under it. It wasn't the sole cause of all this, but it sure helped. Germans were scared of becoming Nazis again, but frankly created potentially worse individuals. I remember being over at friends' houses and listening to them mouth off at their parents using terms I would never have dreamed of saying to my parents, let alone in reference to them. And the parents shrugged it off, attempted to reason with the kids, or rationalized it all away as a "phase"...[:D]
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Ein Bild aus alten Zeiten: der Sohn gehorchte der mahnenden Mutter nicht, da erhob sich der Vater aus seinem Stuhl, schritt auf den Zwerg zu und versetzte ihm eine Tracht Prügel.
Der Fünfjährige lernte daraus.
So wurde dieser Brauch seit Jahrhunderten traditionell fortschrittlich von Generation zu Generation vererbt.
Dadurch entwickelten sich in den Jahrtausenden unserer Kultur weiche Knaben zu harten, gerechten Männern.
Diese Sitte brachte dann immerhin so großartige Menschen wie Schwachsinnige Cäsaren, inzüchtige Herrscher, hundertjährige Kriege (oder auch kürzer, dafür grausamer), Ausrottungen von Naturvölkern und kontinuierliche Zerstörung des Planeten Erde, zustande.
So änderten kluge Köpfe in den Siebzigern und Achtzigern die Erziehungsmethoden radikal.
Meine Generation bevorzugt nun den repressionsfreien Stil.
Wenn mein Sohn der mahnenden Mutter nicht gehorcht, so erhebe ich mich aus meinem Stuhl, schreite auf den Zwerg zu und erhebe drohend mit erklärenden, beschwichtigenden Worten meinen Zeigefinger.
Als Zeichen, dass er mich verstanden hat, zeigt er den Mittelfinger und wünscht mir höflich, dass ich ihn am Arsch lecken könne.
C 2001
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My translation....
"REPRESSION-FREE UPBRINGING
A picture from the good old days: when the son didn't obey the mother when she admonished him, his father got up from his chair, marched over to the little dwarf, and gave him a sound thrashing.
The five-year old learned from that.
And so this practice was passed on traditionally and progressively from generation to generation.
Through this, over thousands of years, our culture transformed soft boys into tough, fair men.
This custom brought forth great men as well as morons: Caesars, inbred rulers, hundred-year-wars (but also some that were shorter, and all the more cruel), extermination of primitive peoples, and continuous destruction of the planet Earth.
Therefore, in the 70s and 80s, clever minds altered these methods of child-rearing radically.
Nowadays, my generation prefers the repression-free variety.
When my son doesn't obey his mother when she tells him to do something, I get up out of my chair, march over to the little dwarf, and point, with calming, soothing words of explanation, my index finger at him.
As a sign, that he has understood what I have told him, he shows me his middle finger, and tells me politely that I can kiss his ass."
[rolleyes]