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[size=5]During a series of visits to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Faris was introduced to bin Laden and at least one senior operational leader, who gave Faris his orders for when he returned to the United States.[/size=5]

"[b][i]Islamic Americans[/i][/b]" [rolleyes] Our next downtrodden, affirmative action needing minority group.

These pieces of shit are worried about restrictions
on justice, liberty and freedom. None of which
Islam in general supports, much less the countries
these flies come from. Ship all them back to Iran
and let them know what its really like to live under
Islamic rule. I have no pity or sympathy for any of them.

Same rhetoric, I'm a good American but don't expect me to speak out about what the terrorist did just leave me alone.

I admire the Iraqi's and other Islamic people that volunteered to fight terror but feel there were far to few for their population.  Japanease Americans even though placed in camps volunteered by the thousands in WWII and their record was one of the best.

Can you say, neutron bomb.

You see only that which supports your worldview, that the "Muslim/Arab/Brown" people are somehow getting shafted by the US and being set up for a fall out of racism or Zionism. What you won't take into consideration in formulating your paranoid anti-Israel worldview is that the US gives more money to Islamic countries than we do to Israel. Egypt and Jordan particularly benefit from American largesse, but they're not noted by the Israel haters when discussions of "$10 Billion a year!!" come up.

No one with any common sense has any time for CAIR, ICNA or any of the other myriad Islamic bitching/whining organizations that have sprung up and multiplied since 09.11.01. They offer platitudes regarding terrorism and their fifth column here in America, and oppose our every move internationally against the cancer of Islamist terrorism. Find out what the preferences of al Qaeda and Hizbollah are, and they are being parroted by these domestic "advocacy groups." Don't forget that many of the so-called Islamic charity organizations here in America were found to be funneling money to al Qaeda front groups, Hamas, Hizbollah, etc. in the increased scrutiny following 09.11.01. There is an entire Jihad industry here in the US, eating at the guts of America, ignored or abetted by all these so-called "moderate" Islamic organizations and their enablers.


You think, and consider the impact of the capture and interrogation of guys like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and other heavy hitters that were swept up in the aftermath of 09.11.01 and the war in Afghanistan. Why do you think we haven't been hit again since then? Is it because the people who engineered the attack on the USS Cole, the African embassy bombings, the Bali nightclub bombing, the Khobar Towers bombing and the mass murder of 3000+ Americans on airplanes, at the Pentagon and the World Trade Center found a new hobby and forgot about their Jihad? Or do you think maybe that the increased attention to detail when it comes to the "Death to America" screamers resulted in some key arrests and some killer networks were rolled up. How else can terrorists be caught than to offer deals to people and get them to rat out their ratfuck friends. Notice that Faris isn't getting an all expenses paid vacation in the Bahamas in return for his cooperation. He's getting 20 years in a federal prison, just like non-arab, non-brown person John Walker Sulieman Raschid Lindh did.


You're suspicious only of the sources that don't agree with your worldview. That's where you and I differ. I can see that not all Muslims are actively engaged in plotting the downfall and assimiliation of America into the Dar ul Islam, and I can see that Israel has some serious problems and has not always acted as a great friend to America.

Actually, I resent a lot of the "good" the USG does, since it's at my expense and goes far beyond any kind of mandate the G has, as well as the fact that, for the most part, we're hated for the good we do anyway.

I'm more a believer in enlightened self-interest. I really could give a crap less about the third world, except insofar as their crap bleeds over into our world. You and I disagree about the validity of Israel's right to exist, and that's fine. We disagree on the existence of a people called "Palestinians," and that's fine too. But I have no illusions about the US going around the world spending money and interacting purely out of altruism.


You must have misunderstood me. I never meant to say that there was any one Muslim country that got more than Israel does. But between Afghanistan, Egypt, Jordan, Pakistan, Qatar, Bahrain, Yemen, etc, etc. the total is more than the $3B Israel gets every year.

And again, I don't think Israel has any right to all that money. I think we give them far too much, especially in the way of technology that they are none too shy about selling to China and others. Whoever came up with the idea of giving them money [b]and[/b] the technology to build their own tanks, artillery, missiles, etc. should be prosecuted.

And yes, I think you hate Israel so much that you're willing to snuggle up with people like Hizbollah and Yassir "I ordered US Ambassador Cleo Noel, Jr. killed" Arafat, at least ideologically.


What makes you think I don't read al Jazzeera and other Arab sources regularly? What makes you think I don't pay attention to the news releases by CAIR/ICNA/etc? I also read Memri.org, so I get the unfiltered Arab news.


I posted many of them when I had arguments here with MouseGun87 a while back. Things about how terrorism [b][i]without justification[/i][/b] is wrong. As though there could be any justification for terrorism. Where are all the Muslims turning in and testifying against their co-religionists who perform these acts that are supposedly anathema to the religion?


You don't see me urging [b]anyone's[/b] internment. Get your facts straight.


What threat is exaggerated? Would you like a list of Americans killed around the world by Muslim extremists? Would that convince you that there's a threat? No, I don't believe it would. You're a true believer, but in what I have no idea.

What possible good would it do us to shut down legitimate organizations that are doing real charity work? That only fosters more terrorism.

Have you heard of the "Holy Land Foundation," previously called the "Occupied Land Fund?" Their headquarters was right near me in Richardson, Texas. They were shut down in the wake of the September 11 attacks, but had been investigated for some time before that. Evidence had been found that they were heavily linked to Hamas and, aside from giving money to the families of suicide bombers, they were giving money straight to Hamas...funding bombers. Their literature referred to Hamas suicide bombers as freedom fighters. Their fund raisers referred to "oceans of blood" needed to free "Palestine."

That's just one, and I know a bit about it because it happened near me: the Islamist fifth column, alive and well in America.


How so? Is there any reason to believe that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed didn't give this guy up? Do you have any evidence that he's an innocent lamb, being slaughtered to make everyone feel safer? Or is it your prejudice showing?


I must have missed that post where you named names and pointed out specific cases. Was it the Tonawanda Six? Those six black Muslims arrested in upstate New York? Was it Jose Padilla, the guy working on a dirty bomb?

What USG "staged" terrorism are you talking about? The attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon?


You're absolutely right. There are various reasons behind our different interpretations of stories and events. You seem to agree with the mouthpieces for organizations that would like to see damage done to America and Americans, and I have to wonder about the reasons for that.