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Posted: 6/21/2003 2:41:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/21/2003 2:46:35 PM EDT by TWHaz]
[soapbox] If you hand that minor your AR to fire a few supervised rounds at the range, (class 6 felony). What you should know first. Here in Arizona since 1994,a minor generally can only have or use a firearm if accompaanied by a parent, grandparent or gaurdian. Exceptions are, while carring written consent from a parent or gaurdian (who is not a prohibited possessor, a minor may have a gun; 1. In the course of employment.[ss13-3111] 2. In legitimate ranching or farming. 3. For target practice. 4. For hunting. 5. For a class in the safe and lawful use of a gun. 6. For transport, unloaded in a locked case, directly to and from such activities. To comply with the new FEDERAL RULE , you should make sure your minor children have a written note from you, that they must carry with them anytime they are involved in the shooting sports, even if they are accompanied by you. [ss13-3111] is the only state statute that does not apply to the whole state. It applies only in counties with a population of 500,000 or more. i.e. Maricopa and Pima. It would not have passed otherwise, nor should it have passed in the first place,IMHO. Notice how they make exceptions for hunting and sports. This is the kind of crap that will split gun owners on the second ammendment. Hunters use the "it does not affect me excuse" But we know different,i.e. Bolt action/ sniper rifle, semi auto/assault rifle= banned firearms. [soapbox]
Link Posted: 6/21/2003 2:50:00 PM EDT
Let me guess, your a minor?
Link Posted: 6/21/2003 2:52:03 PM EDT
so whats the problem beside being a stupid law why couldn't I just hand a minor a gun inside my house its not like the cops will bust in.
Link Posted: 6/21/2003 5:23:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/21/2003 5:25:00 PM EDT by TWHaz]
Originally Posted By mike45acp: so whats the problem beside being a stupid law why couldn't I just hand a minor a gun inside my house its not like the cops will bust in.
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I would not be to sure on that one. No,i am an old fart. I posted this to Inform people of the change in the laws. Most have no clue about them thus we loose our freedoms by inaction. Legislatures are notorious for passing these types of laws in the middle of the night and keeping them quiet. Another chink in our armor.
Link Posted: 6/21/2003 5:31:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TWHaz: [soapbox] If you hand that minor your AR to fire a few supervised rounds at the range, (class 6 felony). 3. For target practice.
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Doesn't number 3 negate what you originally said?
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 12:42:08 PM EDT
That's why I carry an autographed note from my mom that even specifies which weapons I may transport and provides contact information. BTW, Pima County voted the law unconstitutional so it is not inforced in the courts down here.
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 1:32:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/22/2003 1:34:27 PM EDT by TWHaz]
Originally Posted By LARRYG:
Originally Posted By TWHaz: [soapbox] If you hand that minor your AR to fire a few supervised rounds at the range, (class 6 felony). 3. For target practice.
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Doesn't number 3 negate what you originally said?
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Only if the Minor has the Note on their person. This law is NOT enforced. It is used to control Gangs and problem youngsters mostly. I just thought people in less gun friendly states might want to check their local Statutes. Go to [url]http://www.packing.org/[/url] for a lot of great info on laws and conceal carry.
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 1:37:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Corporal_Chaos: That's why I carry an autographed note from my mom that even specifies which weapons I may transport and provides contact information. BTW, Pima County voted the law unconstitutional so it is not inforced in the courts down here.
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Hey CC ,I'm not trying to piss on your parade but you don't really believe you can be in possession of a gun by your self do you? I mean just you and the note from mom?
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 2:32:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/22/2003 2:45:50 PM EDT by Corporal_Chaos]
[red]Under preemption ss 13-3108, localities in Arizona can decide to adopt standardized state rules concerning juveniles. If they chose not to, then their minors would be free to bear arms, as long as no criminal conduct is involved, subject only to federal controls listed below.[/red] The state rules for minors allowed under preemption are: A minor who is not with a parent, grandparent, gurdian, or properly authorized firearms safety instructor or hunting safety instructor can be banned by local authorities from having a firearm on themselves, near them, or in a vehicle, on a street or highway, or in any place open to the public, or on private property, unless the private property is owned or leased by the minor's parent, grandparent, or guardian. [red]Those authorities cannot make any such law for minors who are 14 to 17 years old who are:[/red] [red]Legally hunting, at shooting events, or at marksmenship practice at established ranges or areas where shooting is not prohibited;[/red] [red]Legally transporting unloaded firearms to go hunting;[/red] [red]Legally transporting unloaded firearms between 5 a.m. and 10 p.m. to go to a shooting event or marksmenship practice at an established range or areas where shooting is not prohibited;[/red] Engaged in producing crops, livestock or poultry or related products, ratites (flightless birds such as ostrich or emu[:)]), or storage of agricultural products. A separate education statute (ss15-841) says that possession, display or use of a firearm by a pupil is grounds for expulsion from school at the discretion of authorities on a case-by-case basis. In addition, a person found to be delinquent loses the right to possess a firearm (ss13-904), and cannot have one for at least 10 years (ss13-3113). Minors are also affected by gun rules that must be made by public schools under ss13-2911. Federal rules below, from the 1994 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, are in addition to state laws. [size=4]Federal Regulation of Juveniles[/size=4] Derived from Arizona law, federal law generally prohibits people under 18 from having handguns or matching ammunition, or providing the same to juveniles, with some exceptions and requirements: [red]While carrying written consent from parent or guardian (who isn't a prohibited possessor), minors may have a handgun:[/red] 1-in the course of employment; 2-in legitimate ranching or farming; [red]3-for target practice;[/red] [red]4-for hunting;[/red] 5-for a class in the safe and lawful use of a handgun; and [red]6-for transport, unloaded in a locked case, directly to and from such activities.[/red] [red]To comply with the new federal rule, you should make sure your minor children have a written note from you, that they must carry with them anytime they are involved in the shooting sports, even if they are accompanied by you.[/red] An exception also exists for a minor who uses a handgun against an intruder, at home or in another home where the minor is an invited guest. If a handgun or ammo is legally transferred to a minor, who then commits an offense with the firearm, the firearm must be returned to its lawful owner after due process. Minors may inherit title (but not possession) of a handgun. Violation of this law carries fines and a one-year jail term.
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Taken directly from [u]The Arizona Gun Owners Guide: Who can bear arms? Where are guns forbidden? When can you shoot to kill?[/u], by Alan Korwin. Arizona is waaaaaay different from New Jersey pal. I'm not allowed to cruise the city with a gun in my vehicle but I am allowed to transport a firearm [b]directly[/b] to a location where shooting is not prohibited. I can also do this for hunting.
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 3:04:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/22/2003 3:06:31 PM EDT by bvmjethead]
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Link Posted: 6/22/2003 3:16:02 PM EDT
LOL I have to reccommend these Alan Korwin books man, very understandable material and he quotes the actual laws in the back.
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