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Posted: 10/24/2016 11:27:11 PM EDT
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Sounds practical.
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Posted: 10/24/2016 11:28:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2016 11:28:46 PM EDT
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Why? So we can pay $2k-$4k. for a semi-auto belt fed 12 gauge?
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Posted: 10/24/2016 11:29:58 PM EDT
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Sort of want
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Posted: 10/24/2016 11:35:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2016 11:37:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIs that brake timed correctly? |
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Posted: 10/24/2016 11:38:48 PM EDT
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Is that brake timed correctly? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Is that brake timed correctly? I removed the image. I thought i'd seen a belt fed Saiga 12 before, but looking at that picture i'm pretty sure someone just stuck a belt into a normal old saiga and called it a belt fed. 
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Posted: 10/24/2016 11:46:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI'll be in my bunk. |
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Posted: 10/24/2016 11:47:08 PM EDT
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So we got belt fed 5.56 uppers and a semi auto SAW, that's cool but not all that practical IMO. In the event of SHTF, you can lay down pretty much the same suppressive fire with box mags and drums. Mag changes are a snap with ARs whereas changing belts notsomuch. Same thing with the new 9mm beltfed coming out. However a belt fed 12ga would offer something that is a game changer! Neva been dun befo' (commercially, that homemade contraption on youtube doesn't count). Who else would buy one? I had this idea about a semi-auto rifle/shotgun. There are two barrels on top of each other. The top barrel is for a 5.56 bullet and the bottom is for a 12 gauge shotgun. There's a gas piston connected to the top barrel that drives back the bolt for the rifle and the shotgun. Each trigger pull fires both a shotgun slug and rifle round at the same time. There is one detachable magazine that holds both rifle cartridges and shotgun shells that loads in on the left hand side, like a Sten sub-machine gun. Casings of the rifle rounds and shotgun shells both extract out the right side. |
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Posted: 10/24/2016 11:50:13 PM EDT
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I had an idea about that before, figured out how i'd do the belt link extraction and everything... but seriously never going to be practical. Maybe one day when I have my own CNC machine and am hopped up on diet-pepsi and gummy candies....
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Posted: 10/24/2016 11:53:30 PM EDT
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I want one of these devices for my Ak's.
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Posted: 10/24/2016 11:55:30 PM EDT
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12 ga Gatling gun would be cooler. Hand cranked, non NFA fun.
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Posted: 10/24/2016 11:56:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sort of want even a crank powered one 12ga is pretty much always available and reasonably cheap |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 12:02:23 AM EDT
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I always thought a 12ga mini gun would be perfect for perimeter defense. figure thousands of rounds per minute throwing out 9 pellets of 00 buck each round. Now that's a wall of lead.
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Posted: 10/25/2016 12:07:43 AM EDT
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I bet the Russians would be happy to come out with a beltfed Vepr if their was a huge demand for them.
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Posted: 10/25/2016 12:17:13 AM EDT
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I bet the Russians would be happy to come out with a beltfed Vepr if their was a huge demand for them. I don't think they could come up with a goofy enough stock to meet the sporting purposes requirement for import. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 12:19:23 AM EDT
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So we got belt fed 5.56 uppers and a semi auto SAW, that's cool but not all that practical IMO. In the event of SHTF, you can lay down pretty much the same suppressive fire with box mags and drums. Mag changes are a snap with ARs whereas changing belts notsomuch. Same thing with the new 9mm beltfed coming out. However a belt fed 12ga would offer something that is a game changer! Neva been dun befo' (commercially, that homemade contraption on youtube doesn't count). Who else would buy one? I've always thought a hand crank 12 GA gatling gun would be fun. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 12:23:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I had this idea about a semi-auto rifle/shotgun. There are two barrels on top of each other. The top barrel is for a 5.56 bullet and the bottom is for a 12 gauge shotgun. There's a gas piston connected to the top barrel that drives back the bolt for the rifle and the shotgun. Each trigger pull fires both a shotgun slug and rifle round at the same time. There is one detachable magazine that holds both rifle cartridges and shotgun shells that loads in on the left hand side, like a Sten sub-machine gun. Casings of the rifle rounds and shotgun shells both extract out the right side. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So we got belt fed 5.56 uppers and a semi auto SAW, that's cool but not all that practical IMO. In the event of SHTF, you can lay down pretty much the same suppressive fire with box mags and drums. Mag changes are a snap with ARs whereas changing belts notsomuch. Same thing with the new 9mm beltfed coming out. However a belt fed 12ga would offer something that is a game changer! Neva been dun befo' (commercially, that homemade contraption on youtube doesn't count). Who else would buy one? I had this idea about a semi-auto rifle/shotgun. There are two barrels on top of each other. The top barrel is for a 5.56 bullet and the bottom is for a 12 gauge shotgun. There's a gas piston connected to the top barrel that drives back the bolt for the rifle and the shotgun. Each trigger pull fires both a shotgun slug and rifle round at the same time. There is one detachable magazine that holds both rifle cartridges and shotgun shells that loads in on the left hand side, like a Sten sub-machine gun. Casings of the rifle rounds and shotgun shells both extract out the right side. 
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Posted: 10/25/2016 12:29:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryGeoff over at ARES can improve on that design, but he needs a few thousand people to send him a $1k deposit and sign a contract that you may never get it, and that he may change the definition of the upper at any time to make it illegal in your state so he can say he cannot sell it to you. PS it may take well over 10 years for him to convey that last part. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 12:31:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think they could come up with a goofy enough stock to meet the sporting purposes requirement for import. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I bet the Russians would be happy to come out with a beltfed Vepr if their was a huge demand for them. I don't think they could come up with a goofy enough stock to meet the sporting purposes requirement for import. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 12:32:03 AM EDT
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I remember reading a LONG time ago in a book about an experimental belt fed 12ga. wpn developed for perimeter defense during the Vietnam war. Thought at the time that would be really bad ass but don't remember any details.
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Posted: 10/25/2016 12:35:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I had this idea about a semi-auto rifle/shotgun. There are two barrels on top of each other. The top barrel is for a 5.56 bullet and the bottom is for a 12 gauge shotgun. There's a gas piston connected to the top barrel that drives back the bolt for the rifle and the shotgun. Each trigger pull fires both a shotgun slug and rifle round at the same time. There is one detachable magazine that holds both rifle cartridges and shotgun shells that loads in on the left hand side, like a Sten sub-machine gun. Casings of the rifle rounds and shotgun shells both extract out the right side. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So we got belt fed 5.56 uppers and a semi auto SAW, that's cool but not all that practical IMO. In the event of SHTF, you can lay down pretty much the same suppressive fire with box mags and drums. Mag changes are a snap with ARs whereas changing belts notsomuch. Same thing with the new 9mm beltfed coming out. However a belt fed 12ga would offer something that is a game changer! Neva been dun befo' (commercially, that homemade contraption on youtube doesn't count). Who else would buy one? I had this idea about a semi-auto rifle/shotgun. There are two barrels on top of each other. The top barrel is for a 5.56 bullet and the bottom is for a 12 gauge shotgun. There's a gas piston connected to the top barrel that drives back the bolt for the rifle and the shotgun. Each trigger pull fires both a shotgun slug and rifle round at the same time. There is one detachable magazine that holds both rifle cartridges and shotgun shells that loads in on the left hand side, like a Sten sub-machine gun. Casings of the rifle rounds and shotgun shells both extract out the right side. Put the bottle down. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 12:37:43 AM EDT
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This should have been posted in the Temple flash mob thread.
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Posted: 10/25/2016 12:50:28 AM EDT
[#24]
Scale down a Mk18 and crank till you're happy.
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Posted: 10/25/2016 12:56:55 AM EDT
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The first thing that popped in my head was the scene from Rambo 2 with the M60 and shooting the shit out of the place but with a shotgun.
 
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Posted: 10/25/2016 1:03:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I want one of these devices for my Ak's. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/1924019_1670575666517319_69831988883950881_n-1-660x409.jpg 
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Posted: 10/25/2016 1:14:54 AM EDT
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Sounds practical. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 1:28:54 AM EDT
[#28]
You're right...
Just the other day some hard-charging HSLD drag operator was looking at an M240 and thinking, "Damn, this thing would be tits if its ammo were bigger, heavier, less reliable, and didn't shoot so far." 
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Posted: 10/25/2016 3:06:25 AM EDT
[#29]
The AA-12 is what you seek....
Jerry Baber is a master at gunsmithing. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 3:23:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI had Spoken with the inventor about this and I asked him what his plans were for releasing it. To make a long story short, I had made a thread trying to gauge the interest of members here to see if they were interested in a home builders kit. The agreement was based upon how many people I was able to get on board with this idea. Needless to say the defeatists on this board killed the idea. 
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Posted: 10/25/2016 4:17:59 PM EDT
[#31]
I always wondered about that YouTube gun. Looks kinda cool, I'd like to know more about it.
I have a partially built 12 gauge Gatling that will hopefully be belt fed...someday. I found some old 50 cal links that work with only slight modification. The delinker needs to pull them out instead of pushing and it just wasn't getting good enough grip on them. I think I have it figured out now but so many projects in my garage I have no idea when I'll get back to that. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 4:21:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI've always thought he should have demo'ed it with bird bombs!
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Posted: 10/25/2016 4:31:55 PM EDT
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I was kinda looking at how to make a beltfed 1911.
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Posted: 10/25/2016 4:37:41 PM EDT
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You're right... Just the other day some hard-charging HSLD drag operator was looking at an M240 and thinking, "Damn, this thing would be tits if its ammo were bigger, heavier, less reliable, and didn't shoot so far." 
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Posted: 10/25/2016 4:48:34 PM EDT
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Make it 10ga hand cranked deck mounted and silenced....
I have 1400 yds marked of my deck and I could just imagine walking slugs in on steel..
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Posted: 10/25/2016 7:08:37 PM EDT
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/thread Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're right... Just the other day some hard-charging HSLD drag operator was looking at an M240 and thinking, "Damn, this thing would be tits if its ammo were bigger, heavier, less reliable, and didn't shoot so far."
/thread You have your mission wrong son! For LSHD applications! 
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Posted: 10/25/2016 7:12:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
You have your mission wrong son! For LSHD applications! http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TsFXJA9YHlE/TTeIfFOIuVI/AAAAAAAAAQI/VqNzxdhlp5s/s1600/58852252.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're right... Just the other day some hard-charging HSLD drag operator was looking at an M240 and thinking, "Damn, this thing would be tits if its ammo were bigger, heavier, less reliable, and didn't shoot so far."
/thread You have your mission wrong son! For LSHD applications! http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TsFXJA9YHlE/TTeIfFOIuVI/AAAAAAAAAQI/VqNzxdhlp5s/s1600/58852252.jpg More reliability, better range, and a lighter weapon is NEVER a detriment - especially in the above scenario. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 7:20:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryFuck you...and everyone within 15m of you. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 7:22:04 PM EDT
[#39]
Belt fed? OK. How would you like it?
Single shot, break open? Pump action? Semi-auto? Side x side? Over/Under. Do you want it ported, forcing cone reamed out, backbored too? |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 7:24:56 PM EDT
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Why not a belt fed....a 25 round drum is not nearly heavy enough, a 100 round belt would be much more useful. (Sarcasm)
I had a friend who owned one off the select fire shotguns that looked like a big AR15, and I got to fire it. It was surprisingly controllable on full auto. I do not know if it was the weight, design, or cyclic rate, bit it's recoil was considerably less than my Benelli M1Super 90...(I know the Benelli is known for stout recoil.). My first thought was it would be just about perfect for jungle ambushes. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 7:30:28 PM EDT
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I would bet something of the variety will be developed for small drone area denial in FOB's with an optical or radar tracker.
That is, until the little solid state lasers get good enough. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 7:47:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Why not a belt fed....a 25 round drum is not nearly heavy enough, a 100 round belt would be much more useful. (Sarcasm) I had a friend who owned one off the select fire shotguns that looked like a big AR15, and I got to fire it. It was surprisingly controllable on full auto. I do not know if it was the weight, design, or cyclic rate, bit it's recoil was considerably less than my Benelli M1Super 90...(I know the Benelli is known for stout recoil.). My first thought was it would be just about perfect for jungle ambushes. Shockinly relevent
battlefield usas12 |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 7:54:15 PM EDT
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Meh.
Less belt-fed shotgun, moar belt-carried shotgun. 
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Posted: 10/25/2016 9:33:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not a belt fed....a 25 round drum is not nearly heavy enough, a 100 round belt would be much more useful. (Sarcasm) I had a friend who owned one off the select fire shotguns that looked like a big AR15, and I got to fire it. It was surprisingly controllable on full auto. I do not know if it was the weight, design, or cyclic rate, bit it's recoil was considerably less than my Benelli M1Super 90...(I know the Benelli is known for stout recoil.). My first thought was it would be just about perfect for jungle ambushes. I can tell you my Saiga 12 with a stout forehand and a light trigger finger will bump right through all 12 rounds. Minimal recoil and very controllable. |
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Posted: 10/25/2016 9:49:42 PM EDT
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Didn't we decide that shotguns were ineffective for defensive purposes?
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