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Posted: 6/20/2003 10:38:57 AM EDT
[url]www.continuityofgovernment.org/home.html[/url] Anyone know anything else about this? It seems a little iffy to me. like they talk aobut the good shit the media has said about it/them but one of the columnists that is saying the good shit is like a member or insider in the group. what do ya'll know and think?
Link Posted: 6/20/2003 10:43:56 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/20/2003 10:50:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/20/2003 10:53:17 AM EDT by Imbroglio]
It is very similar to what FEMA was created to do. Unlike what many people believe, when FEMA was created by Carter it's primary objective was not disaster relief, but the continuity of government during a national crisis. The biggest problem with both FEMA and Continuity of Government Commission, is that the officials that are supposed to take over the country are not elected but appointed. If this were to happen then the Constitution would be suspended and the country would be under martial law.
Link Posted: 6/20/2003 10:53:17 AM EDT
June 18, 2003 by: Phyllis Schlafly Press and television channels have been filled for months about America's responsibility to bring democracy to Iraq and other faraway nations that have no prior experience with self-government. So why are some of the same people now trying to abolish the most democratic feature of our constitutional republic, namely, the right of the people to elect the U.S. House of Representatives? An elite group of former Clinton advisers and former public officials of both political parties gathered last week at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington to announce their proposal to convert the House of Representatives from an elected body to an appointed body in the event of a national emergency. I'm not making this up; this crowd has set 9/11 of this year as its target date to pass a constitutional amendment to accomplish this goal. This group calls itself the Continuity of Government (COG) Commission, and the acronym is apt. The COG Commission is trying to be a cog that manipulates our constitutional process of self-government. COG offers a "solution" in search of a hypothetical problem that doesn't exist and may never exist. COG hypothesizes that it would be a second disaster if, after a terrorist attack on the U.S. Capitol killed most members of Congress, we then had to wait several months for special elections to fill the House vacancies. It should not be high on our worry list that the House couldn't pass bills until special elections are held. Almost every year Congress goes about four months without passing anything significant. COG proposes a constitutional amendment that would allow House members to be appointed, a procedure that is now unconstitutional. After painting an emotional picture of a worst-case scenario with most members of Congress killed, COG is hoping that Americans' fear of a recurrence of the events of 9/11 will bamboozle Congress into precipitous action, and H.Con.Res. 190 to study COG's proposals passed the House on June 5. COG draws a dramatic word picture of what might have happened if United Flight 93 had departed on time and hit the U.S. Capitol instead of being forced down in Pennsylvania. In fact, only a handful of congressmen were in the Capitol that morning. One of COG's proposals would simply give Congress plenary power to fill vacant seats "if a substantial number of members are killed or incapacitated." Another alternative would empower each governor to replace his state's dead or disabled House members (e.g., Governor Gray Davis could appoint 53 Representatives from California). The text of COG's proposed constitutional amendment contains far more words than the entire ten amendments of the Bill of Rights and is a Rube Goldberg-like plan (i.e., complex and impractical). COG would require each House and Senate member to designate in advance three to seven successors to fill his seat if it becomes vacant, and the governor would appoint Representatives from among those so designated. Each House and Senate member would be empowered to "revise the designations" of his successors at any time. Thus, in the 2004 elections, voters would be given the task of electing a congressional candidate to whom is attached several shadows who would fade in and out of the possibility of serving in Congress and whose actual appointment would depend on the governor's choice. Each governor's "appointment authority" would kick in after a majority of governors issued a proclamation that an "emergency" exists because a majority of the Representatives in that state are dead or "unable to discharge" their duties. The process gets even stickier if the disabled Representative rises from his sick bed and tries to resume the office to which he was legitimately elected. James Madison did a better job of writing the Constitution than COG, whose members include Donna Shalala, Lynn Martin, Kweisi Mfume, Tom Foley and Newt Gingrich. Our present Constitution already allows governors to fill U.S Senate vacancies and allows states to advance their timetables for special House elections. COG's co-chairman is Lloyd Cutler, confidant of Presidents Carter and Clinton, who was also co-chairman of the 1983 Committee on the Constitutional System that tried (fortunately unsuccessfully) to change the U.S. Constitution in a dozen ways in order to eliminate our Separation of Powers. A co-sponsor of COG is the Brookings Institution, whose president Strobe Talbott (Clinton's foreign policy adviser) famously wrote in Time Magazine that "nationhood as we know it will be obsolete" and that he rejoiced in the coming "birth of the Global Nation." The United States survived the real national emergencies of the Civil War and the burning the U.S. Capitol by the British in 1814 without giving up our right to elect members of the U.S. House of Representatives. We should never relinquish that right.
Link Posted: 6/20/2003 12:52:47 PM EDT
Just seeing a list of who is in this fiasco is enough reason to nix it.
Link Posted: 6/20/2003 8:51:16 PM EDT
I believe this bears watching especially with Lloyd Cutler involved. I don't think this is good regardless of the logical reasons. Killing the patient to save it is still killing the patient.
Link Posted: 6/20/2003 8:54:34 PM EDT
Imbroglio had a link a long time ago that was to a sound bite of congress talking with Olliver North I belive, the subject came up about contigencies to suspend the constitution in the event of a terrorist attack. They pretty much said STFU and we dont talk about that. Anyone know where I could find that?
Link Posted: 6/20/2003 10:12:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/20/2003 10:13:59 PM EDT by Imbroglio]
Originally Posted By TheFNG: Imbroglio had a link a long time ago that was to a sound bite of congress talking with Olliver North I belive, the subject came up about contigencies to suspend the constitution in the event of a terrorist attack. They pretty much said STFU and we dont talk about that. Anyone know where I could find that?
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The sound clip regarding REX 84 can be heard here: [url=defendliberty.com/rex84.wav]Iran/Contra Hearings July 14, 1987[/url] Rep. Jack Brooks: "Col. North, in your work at the NSC, were you not assigned, at one time, to work on plans for the continuity of government in the event of a major disaster?" Sen. Daniel Inouye (Co-chair): "I believe that question touches upon a highly sensitive and classified area so may I request that you not touch upon that." Brooks: "I was particularly concerned, Mr. Chairman, because I read in the Miami papers and several others that there had been a plan developed, by that same agency, a contingency plan in the event of an emergency that would suspend the American Constitution. And I was deeply concerned about it and wondered if that was the area in which [North] had worked. I believe that it was, and I wanted to get his confirmation." Inouye: "May I most respectfully request that that matter not be touched upon at this stage. If we wish to get into this, I'm certain arrangements can be made for an executive session." Commentary that follows is from Representative Henry Gonzalez.
Link Posted: 6/20/2003 10:29:57 PM EDT
Now I know why everyone wanted ya back.
Link Posted: 6/21/2003 4:39:51 AM EDT
Damn thats some f#@ked up shit man. Suspend the constitution, what would you guys do if the did that?
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