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Posted: 6/17/2003 2:53:31 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 3:29:37 AM EDT
get all the KY members of AR-15.com to get togeather for a "black-op". Seriously tho, I'd look for a parked car to ID, or, when you know they are gone, scout around and see if you can disern where they were shooting, and their path of entry and exit. Then you could probably meet them sometime when they are showing up, and ask them to shoot somewhere else. I'd try being nice first, but if that didn't work , I'd try to ID them and turn over the info to the cops. Be Careful though, and be armed, just in case.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 3:46:17 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 4:04:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Wave: Call the cops...tell them you shot someone in the woods...watch how fast they arrive.(I never gave you this info)
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Yeah, I'm thinking this might get their attention as welll.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 4:22:23 AM EDT
Do you have a neighborhood watch program ? If you don't know call the cops and ask. We do and if its done right it can help. The neighborhood that is next to you may. the cops can put you in contact with the officer in charge of the group. If you are concerned, other closer to the shot are to. Try to find out were they are shooting at. Look for spent shells/hulls and beer cans. You know targets or tree's with free bark removed. Mostly likely they will be going to the same spot over and over. Try to find a way over to the spot that you can drive from your house. Then call the cops and ask for one to come over when they have time. Take the officer to the spot. Ask him to inform the others that may responded that you are going to get involved and you want these people to stop. Shots fired... Grab cell phone call cops 911 on your way out the door and haul ass over to the spot. You may not catch them but depending on how many ways in and out you may get a look a the truck. Good luck.. We had the same problem. I never caught them in the act but I did talk to a bunch of people and it did stop.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 4:23:09 AM EDT
Night ops... GEt your OPORDER ready
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 5:54:44 AM EDT
Tell them you've seen some white-haired granny smoking what you believe to be a joint. Make sure you mention she's really frail and no danger to anybody. Sit back and await the brave heros to arrive shortly.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 6:00:49 AM EDT
Is your property posted over that way? Fence? Scott
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 6:28:48 AM EDT
do they have a back stop? are they in the next living area over from you? sounds like oh my god i heard a gun shot {wet my pants} call the cops! do some looking around for your self before jumpimg to any conclusions"they must be crazy for shooting here" mabey they have a test chamberin their back yard!
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 7:56:41 AM EDT
Miss Magnum, This is an opportunity for you to go out and do some shooting yourself. 1- The cops don't care. 2- Scare the pan out of the perp who's been done the shooting. 3- And you have some good fun doing it. Enjoy.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 8:13:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AR_Rifle: Miss Magnum, This is an opportunity for you to go out and do some shooting yourself. 1- The cops don't care. 2- Scare the pan out of the perp who's been done the shooting. 3- And you have some good fun doing it. Enjoy.
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This might be the best thing to do, if you have a backstop. Miss M, I'm not sure how rural your neighborhood is, or what the laws in KY are like re shooting near houses, but in MA, an extreme example, one may not discharge a firearm within 500' of somebody else's dwelling or within 150' of a "public way" (which could mean lots of things...). I imagine things in KY are a lot less restrictive. Shooting in woods might be something that people in your area might jsut be used to doing. If anything, I think you might now be experiencing what antis feel when they hear gunfire. (Not that I'd ever take an anti's side, but that's how they feel...) The cops don't seem to worked up about it. That I find interesting- in MA, they'd be all over the plinker(s) like a cheap suit.... It could be it's a neighbor, or local, just shooting for target practice? The sound of (ahem) counter-fire might either stop him/her from shooting, or, said person might come over to investigate, and the misunderstanding might get cleared up on both sides. You might even make new friends, something all shooters could use. Good luck, hope it works out OK.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 8:29:45 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 8:40:19 AM EDT
Is it legal for them to be shooting in the area? It is in my neighborhood and I have ONE neighbor that has a problem with me shooting on the range I have set up out back (actually, he has problems with the fact that people around him own guns, but the noise is all the can complain about). Cops wont do anything but stop by and make sure Im shooting at the backstop. Of course, I talked to all my neightbors about it. Before I started shooting. There may be nothing you can do about it. Jonathan
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 8:52:47 AM EDT
I happen to have [red]several acres[/red] in a residential neighborhood. The bottom of my pasture backs up to the back yards of some houses... it's [red]heavily wooded[/red] back there with four wheeler trails and hiking paths.
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What's the problems again?? You're the new person in the area maybe you should go talk to the neighbors. They may have been shooting long before you have been riding. SGtar15
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 9:05:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/17/2003 9:07:47 AM EDT by Lazyshooter]
Originally Posted By sgtar15:
I happen to have [red]several acres[/red] in a residential neighborhood. The bottom of my pasture backs up to the back yards of some houses... it's [red]heavily wooded[/red] back there with four wheeler trails and hiking paths.
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What's the problems again?? You're the new person in the area maybe you should go talk to the neighbors. They may have been shooting long before you have been riding. SGtar15
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I was sort of thinking the same thing. This may have been going on intermittently, for a long time and may be local residents. Obviously, I could be wrong and if you haven't already, you can check into what laws there are locally regarding discharge of firearms. I understand your fear of the discharging firearms in an area where they shouldn't be or where there are people nearby, that may not be seen by the shooter{s}. Edited to add that I would talk with people in the neighborhood, as they may very well know who is back there.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 9:31:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/17/2003 9:32:18 AM EDT by Rickyj]
Originally Posted By sgtar15:
I happen to have [red]several acres[/red] in a residential neighborhood. The bottom of my pasture backs up to the back yards of some houses... it's [red]heavily wooded[/red] back there with four wheeler trails and hiking paths.
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What's the problems again?? You're the new person in the area maybe you should go talk to the neighbors. They may have been shooting long before you have been riding. SGtar15
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ding, ding, ding! How long have you lived there? How long have your neighbors lived there? Also, I would say "neighborhood" implies more of a suburban situation. If you have several acres, horses and forests you may not be in the city anymore. IMHO nothing is worse than the city dweller who moves out to the country and wants city life.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 9:41:32 AM EDT
Hey, MM - you could always launch a 37mm flare towards the perp ;)
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 10:07:54 AM EDT
drive around looking for the shooting sound. When you can pretty much confirm that its behind one of the houses, THEN call the cops & report. If its in the woods, on the other hand....
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 10:14:51 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/17/2003 10:32:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By GREYGHOSTt: do they have a back stop? are they in the next living area over from you? sounds like oh my god i heard a gun shot {wet my pants} call the cops! do some looking around for your self before jumpimg to any conclusions"they must be crazy for shooting here" mabey they have a test chamberin their back yard!
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Exactly, someone may be shooting safely, magnum doesn't know. An AR15.com board member calling the cops because someone is target practising??? Hello????
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 10:38:17 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 5:34:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 5:39:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By darealickt:
Originally Posted By Wave: Call the cops...tell them you shot someone in the woods...watch how fast they arrive.(I never gave you this info)
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Yeah, I'm thinking this might get their attention as welll.
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If someone called me up and said that, after using copious amounts of TP on myself, I would send a few people, just to, ya know, check it out.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 6:36:59 PM EDT
Are you more concerned about stray bullets, or are you worried about the noise spooking your horses ? A phone call to the Police as a first response is (in my opinion) not a good move. It could simply be a dumb teenager playing around in the backyard, totally oblivious to his surroundings... Stroll on over next time, and politely educate them about gun safety in your most charming voice, while toting an AR15... The dazzling good looks (of the AR15) should be enough to convince the shooter into submission...
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 6:45:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/17/2003 6:46:06 PM EDT by TWHaz]
I remember the stump they kept showing on the news. The one the sniper(<100 yards) was using for practice in washington, in a neighborhood. Then he went to Virgina and shot some people. When you recon the offenders. Be Careful. Maybe you should post at the Mall Ninja's or LEO's forum,to get some advice. If the shooters are French, your horses are in danger. Here in Arizona during Elk season, the ranchers paint HORSE in brite colors on all horses. Can't hurt. Good luck
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 6:53:12 PM EDT
Move! TT
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 7:13:16 PM EDT
There are elk in Arizona? TT: My guess is that this strong willed women is NOT moving because someone is poppin' caps in her back yard. Why would you suggest that? Do you move as a first response to badly behaving neighbors? Bob
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 8:13:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/17/2003 8:15:56 PM EDT by prk]
Originally Posted By liberty86:
Originally Posted By GREYGHOSTt: do they have a back stop? are they in the next living area over from you? sounds like oh my god i heard a gun shot {wet my pants} call the cops! do some looking around for your self before jumpimg to any conclusions"they must be crazy for shooting here" mabey they have a test chamberin their back yard!
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Exactly, someone may be shooting safely, magnum doesn't know. An AR15.com board member calling the cops because someone is target practising??? Hello????
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Originally Posted By: Miss_Magnum I'm sorry... did I stutter? Try reading before posting your insinuation.
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Not sure what you think he's insinuating. Or what you think he didn't read, or misinterpreted. Want to elaborate? You didn't stutter, you're just reacting a bit like a soccer mom. There really is something odd about an ARFCOMMIE calling the law right off when you don't KNOW what it is, you seem to be reacting on your fear of what MIGHT be. On the other hand, Liberty86 doesn't KNOW it's target shooting, either. It's not known that it's even gunfire. Nothing mentionned about bullets whizzing by. Nothing spotted. Was there a rhythm to the noise that would be consistent with somebody emptying a magazine? I hear all kinds of POTENTIAL gunshots in the city, but don't call unless there is something very characteristically gunfire-sounding. We have: Blowouts Railroad torpedoes Fireworks Backfires Is there a city ordinance forbidding the discharge of a firearm within your citiy's limits? Or a county ordinance? The other replies about state laws also should be considered. Is it at all possible that if it IS gunfire, it's coming from outside the city limits, even though YOU are inside? We've seen plenty of posts here about people who were shooting legally on their own property, only to have some freaking-out neighbor call the law on them. How would YOU feel in that situation? It seems entirely reasonable for you to go with the radical notion suggested by others: Get to talking with your neighbors. Take a friend if you want. You should be doing this anyway, shots or not, so you can get their measure - size them up. In the process you may find out something that would explain what you heard.
Originally Posted By Wave: Call the cops...tell them you shot someone in the woods...watch how fast they arrive.(I never gave you this info)
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The police don't like getting phony reports and it might get you arres.........Oh wait, you ARE the police.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 8:42:32 PM EDT
You live in city ,here it is unlawful to discarge a firearm within 600 feet of another dwelling! Like Sherriuf OK said check in with your PD! Put something in your back pocket and slip on down and see what is going on! May be just a failure to communicate! Make it plain that you are not happy with what is going on! Heads up may be not a big deal ,but be ready for anything! Bob [:D]
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 9:50:14 PM EDT
Maybe it was a naked guy going after somebody tryimg to make off with his quad/jet ski or whatever. That would have been 30 rounds or so. Seriously, if it happens again don't let anyone talk you into grabbing a firearm and heading off to investigate. You don't want to be carrying, when the black & whites roll up. Nah, you're smarter than that.
Link Posted: 6/17/2003 10:02:57 PM EDT
[b]Broken Arrow!!!![/b]
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 5:55:23 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 6:51:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TWHaz: Here in Arizona during Elk season, the ranchers paint HORSE in brite colors on all horses.
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[rofl2] thats a new one... My response to the question at hand: Call the Air Force and see if you can get a overflight buy an AC-130. [heavy] seriously, find out where they are shooting. I used to go shooting every day after school with my buddy when I was in HS, we shot in a canyon that was probably 1/2 mile from a house. It was in an unincorporated area outside city limits in the foothills of the mountains. I'm sure the house could hear us shooting if they were outside, but we never had a problem. Good part was that we had a very good backstop, with a steep hill and steep sides in the canyon, but a nice 85 yard straightaway, with a flat sandy bottom. They started putting more houses up in the area... we found a new shooting range. Now it takes me 20 minutes instead of 5 to drive to shoot. [banghead]
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 7:03:23 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 7:22:10 AM EDT
I'm trying to picture the area you're talking about. Your back yard is pasture that backs up to a wooded area, right? Do you own the wooded area or is it someone else's backyard? How deep is the wooded area? What's on the other side of the woods - did you say it was a park? Just trying to clarify, before I say anything else. CR
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 7:52:38 AM EDT
If I moved to some new property, and there were people shooting in the back of it, I would be upset... Who cares if that's where they always shot? The land is under new management... If you disagree, do you let your wife's or husband's EXes still play the course like they did before? Most likely not.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 8:15:48 AM EDT
MM If the Plinker(s) are not responsible enough to think about shooting location than they are most likely not picking up there empties. Go find the empties and verify that it is on you’re property. If it is not on you’re property than find out what law in your state, county, or city would make there actions illegal. If it is not illegal and not on your property and they have the permission of the property owner than you cannot do anything but prey that they don’t hurt anyone or your animals. If its on your property then call the police and tell them that someone is shooting on your property possibly at your horses and that your are heading out to confront them and you will be armed as well. You don’t have to actually go confront them just as long as the police believe that their is about to be a confrontation between two or more individuals that are known to be armed( make sure that you sound very angry). Make sure that you can tell the police the exact location of the shooting. Note that most PD's have a policy that makes firearms situations of this sort the first priority. this has worked for me on more thatn one accaision. good luck V_C
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 8:20:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/18/2003 8:25:40 AM EDT by Cape_hunter]
It really is simple. Contact the police as suggested, in person. Post No Tresspassing signs all over. and everytime you find someone there, call it in. Now I live out in the country and people shoot around me all of the time. Our shooting area is in the back feild near our horses. We also have Cherry orchards near and they have propane cannons and bird bombs going of for about 3 weeks straight this time of year. But if anyone was on my property with out permission, I would put an end to it ASAP. I dont care if they are shooting, spitting, shitting or what, THEY WILL BE ESCORTED OFF MY LAND! MM, I think if you approached this more from a trespassing standpoint and less of a "OMG, they are shooting guns" standpoint, you may have gotten a better response. I mean, this is a gun board and all. So, 1. contact local law as sugested 2. Post signs everywhere 3. Call call call Then again the next time you hear shots just step out back and dump a couple 30 rndrs in the backyard. I doubt they will stick around. CH
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 8:30:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/18/2003 8:31:35 AM EDT by HKgnnr]
Probably some kids thinking theyre doing nothing wrong, and most likely just out having a little plinking fun. Chances are they don't even know your house is back there. As others have suggested, see if you can locate where they're shooting, and perhaps an access road by which they are entering. Next time ya hear the shooting, jump in the vehicle and if you've located an entry point already, swing on over and 'honk the horn' a couple times near the entry point. Perhpas they'll come over to investigate - and I sincerely hope they wouldnt take potshots in your direction. How you handle it then is up to you - perhaps you can direct them to a gun club nearby.
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Link Posted: 6/18/2003 10:00:04 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Miss_Magnum: The lay of the land is as such... my pasture travels on a downhill slope to a creek that is wooded. The wooded area is a PARK. The other side of the creek slopes back up into people's back yards that are in a regular neighborhood/apartment complex. When I say a wooded area, I mean there are some woods.. not an entire forest. Regardless, just because there are trees does not mean the land is unused.... people hike there everyday.
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MM, I'm not quite getting this part. Can you post some aerial photos with a northern orientation? Bob
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 10:26:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Miss_Magnum: The lay of the land is as such... my pasture travels on a downhill slope to a creek that is wooded. The wooded area is a PARK. The other side of the creek slopes back up into people's back yards that are in a regular neighborhood/apartment complex. When I say a wooded area, I mean there are some woods.. not an entire forest. Regardless, just because there are trees does not mean the land is unused.... people hike there everyday. Even if it happened before... Even if the person is not on your land... IF SOMEONE WAS SHOOTING THAT CLOSE TO YOUR HOUSE AND MOST LIKELY IN YOUR DIRECTION, I THINK EVERYONE HERE WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
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I agree I'd have a problem with it, too. I just wanted to clarify that they were not on your land before I got into the trespassing issue. Based on what you said, it sounds like they are either on park property or shooting toward park property. I'm surprised the police are so slow to respond. I know if someone was shooting on one of our local parks, the dang SWAT team would probably show up (not really - but they'd send in several units within minutes). Seems like some good advice has already been given (for the most part). The only thing I might add is before you go looking, you might try calling a couple of people on the other side of the woods (reverse lookup) and asking them if they've been hearing shots. Maybe they have a better idea of who's doing it - or maybe they are. CR
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 10:56:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Miss_Magnum: Does noone listen??? [blue]There's not enough room around here for someone to be a 1/2 mile from any house and safely shooting.[/blue] The only way that is possible is if that person were using mine and my neighbor's back yards as the buffer zone. [i]And that's where my horses are!![/i] Why am I the one who is at fault? Why hasn't this person made an attempt to contact all of the surrounding neighbors... particularly those whose property he is shooting towards... and made sure it was okay?? [blue]I am sorry that you are no longer able to shoot on someone else's property five minutes from your house because that person decided to do something with their land.[/blue]
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When I say a wooded area, I mean there are some woods.. not an entire forest.
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.....it's heavily wooded back there with four wheeler trails and hiking paths.
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I guess I need more clarification on exactly how far away it is and from where these shots are coming from. I am not trying to be an ass but all of your comments taken together make no sense. How far away are these shots coming from. Five minutes, or a much less than a half mile? Who's property is it on? Your's, someone else's or public? Is the wooded area small, with trees and such but still just a residential park? Or is the area large, with hiking trail[b]s[/b] and four wheeler path[b]s[/b] and heavily wooded? Until you can answer these questions I am guessing that many of the people here will just see you as a freaked out soccer mom. Lets be realistic, you heard what you thought were gun shots. You do not know where the shots were coming from or who was doing the shooting. You have not made any attempt to find the area where they are shooting. Also the police are slow to respond to this area even though it is [b]in town[/b]. I don't know about other states or cities but where I live if gunshots were going off at a regular basis inside the city limits where the police considered it unlawful or dangerous their response time would be measured closer to seconds, not hours.
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 11:02:40 AM EDT
Could be fireworks... its that time of year...
Link Posted: 6/18/2003 12:43:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/18/2003 12:46:23 PM EDT by WesDesRat]
Originally Posted By Miss_Magnum: Why am I the one who is at fault?
I am sorry that you are no longer able to shoot on someone else's property five minutes from your house because that person decided to do something with their land.
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I think I wasn't clear...You are not at fault, nor do I think your wrong for being concerned. I simply suggested that you look to see if you can find where they are shooting and/or coming from. You have every right to stop them from shooting... as long as it's illegal in that area. If you can find where they are shooting maybe next time you can give directions to the police officers that (hopefully) respond? No offense, but if you can't at least try to go find where they are shooting from, what do you expect? Keep in mind I'm not saying you should confront them (armed or otherwise), but if you can direct the police to the area, maybe it would help stop your problem. As far as my comments about having to move my shooting area... I guess thats more of a "progress" thing. I kinda wish the houses would stay on the valley floor, not keep creeping up the mountainside. Also, I wasn't asked to move, and the area was never posted, (untill recently). We used to ride ATV's on the sand dunes in the same area, and would hike in the area too. I'm not a big fan of "development", but I also understand a landowner has his/her rights too, particularly pertaining to things like firearms being discharged on the property. As suggested, posting signs might be a good idea. In Utah, if land isn't properly posted (signs or bright painted posts every 200 feet or less) there's little a landowner can do but ask you to leave. Trespassing again in the same area can lead to a citation though... As a last resort, electrified razor wire might deter the shooters... [tounge firmly in cheek][}:D]
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